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Which degree is more of a cash cow for law schools: Juris Masters or a LLM?

Tough call? Emory Law has a new ad: "Emory Law School: atlantaman07/20/12
thefuck is a juris masters? swimmer8607/20/12
something law schools seem to have invented in order to bala seangunnery07/20/12
What's the difference between JD and JM? mrlollipop02/16/17
It takes a year to complete the JM and costs a ridiculous am thestruggleisreal02/16/17
Only a stupid fuck from the academic world would come up wit boojee07/20/12
Trump's new Labor Secretary nominee, R. Alexander Acosta, wa thestruggleisreal02/16/17
That link didn't seem to work, but here's one with a press r caj11102/16/17
The MBA is also worthless... pretty soon you will start seei garygold07/20/12
That'd be a DBA (doctorate in business administration, and y dingbat02/16/17
Love it - just grab a some stock photos and photoshop a broc doublefriedchicken07/20/12
I cannot imagine that the "JM" degree is much sought after g ttttjd07/20/12
Well the JD applicant pool is shrinking and unless you admit lawlawtemp07/20/12
The JM degree is a versatile way for college graduates to co fabio107/20/12
Looks like Trump's new Labor Secretary nominee, R. Alexander thestruggleisreal02/16/17
Make the Law School Scam Great Again! 6figuremistake02/16/17
If Juris Masters becomes a thing does that mean I can start isthisit02/16/17
I think you could follow me around for a year for 49K and le sjlawyer02/16/17
My understanding has always been that the Masters' was pitch wolfman02/16/17
I have worked with foreigners with llms paid by the federal triplesix02/16/17
I think that the LLM is an even greater cash cow, as the inf ternarydaemon02/16/17
You are completely overvaluing an LLM. Yes, they're useful dingbat02/16/17
They should just let non-JDs get LLMs like UK law schools do therewillbeblood02/16/17
My only question about this is, how does one go about findin inho2solo02/16/17



atlantaman (Jul 20, 2012 - 12:03 pm)

Tough call?

Emory Law has a new ad: "Emory Law School: It's Not Just for Lawyers."

They're pitching Juris Masters for $49K.

http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/NEWWEBSITE/Academics/JM/ARlpages/index_ar.html

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swimmer86 (Jul 20, 2012 - 12:30 pm)

thefuck is a juris masters?

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seangunnery (Jul 20, 2012 - 12:37 pm)

something law schools seem to have invented in order to balance their budgets in light of their inability to fill seats in the '15 class.

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mrlollipop (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

What's the difference between JD and JM?

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thestruggleisreal (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:43 pm)

It takes a year to complete the JM and costs a ridiculous amount of money. There doesn't seem to be any value to obtaining a JM. Another way for schools to bilk money from suckers.

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boojee (Jul 20, 2012 - 7:14 pm)

Only a stupid fuck from the academic world would come up with a worthless degree like the Juris Masters.

I wouldn't rely on an attorney who just passed the bar for legal advice - - why would
I want to rely on someone who completed their "Juris Masters" for advice?

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thestruggleisreal (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

Trump's new Labor Secretary nominee, R. Alexander Acosta, was a trailblazer at FIU who spearheaded the effort to establish the worthless Juris Masters degree program at the school.

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caj111 (Feb 16, 2017 - 3:18 pm)

That link didn't seem to work, but here's one with a press release:

http://shared.web.emory.edu/emory/news/releases/2011/11/emory-law-launches-juris-masters-degree.html#.WKYIbH_kgfM

Boy, these law schools really have no shame. Not to mention it's Emory University - they aren't the top of the heap, but I'd expect better out of them.

Next proposal - law schools pitch a five year, dual degree program to undergrads - just stick around an extra year, and you can earn a "Juris Bachelors" with your other bachelors degree!

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garygold (Jul 20, 2012 - 12:33 pm)

The MBA is also worthless... pretty soon you will start seeing job ads saying PHd in Business Administration required.

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dingbat (Feb 16, 2017 - 2:21 pm)

That'd be a DBA (doctorate in business administration, and yes, it exists, and has existed for quite some time)

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doublefriedchicken (Jul 20, 2012 - 1:13 pm)

Love it - just grab a some stock photos and photoshop a brochure together for a beyond worthless degree.

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ttttjd (Jul 20, 2012 - 1:22 pm)

I cannot imagine that the "JM" degree is much sought after given the ease of acquiring a JD. The JM just sounds like a good way for kids to get into trouble for UPL.

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lawlawtemp (Jul 20, 2012 - 9:03 pm)

Well the JD applicant pool is shrinking and unless you admit a lot of Down Syndrome patients which will pound you in the rankings, you are going to have a lot of empty seats and idle professors. Hail Mary pass.

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fabio1 (Jul 20, 2012 - 9:17 pm)

The JM degree is a versatile way for college graduates to continue their education while at the same time giving them the skills needed to succeeded in the modern fast-paced corporate environment.

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thestruggleisreal (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:38 pm)

Looks like Trump's new Labor Secretary nominee, R. Alexander Acosta, was a trailblazer at FIU who spearheaded the effort to establish the worthless Juris Masters degree program at the school.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta

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6figuremistake (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Make the Law School Scam Great Again!

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isthisit (Feb 16, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

If Juris Masters becomes a thing does that mean I can start calling myself Dr. Isthisit, esq.?

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sjlawyer (Feb 16, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

I think you could follow me around for a year for 49K and learn more.

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wolfman (Feb 16, 2017 - 2:05 pm)

My understanding has always been that the Masters' was pitched to corps. as a way to educate middle-managers in compliance, etc. in legal matters to do a compliance, etc. job or get promoted to doing a job without having to use a lawyer; so the idea was most people would have their work pay for it. Don't know if that's actually what's been happening (and of course, in that case it's further undermining the JD grads job prospects haha).

LLM is only useful for foreigners who want to practice in NY and a few other states, unless it's NYU Tax.

Both are much cheaper than a JD. LLM, at least, is also a significantly better deal for foreigners.

In fact, foreign lawyers I've worked with on language projects openly laugh at US JDs (mostly striving immigrants and children of immigrants LOL) who paid $100K plus for their degree. They got their "law degree" for free from Kozlyakistan State University, usually while getting a living stipend and/or working part-time, and can have the same exact NY licence to practice after going to NYU for their LLM for one year for 1/3 of the price.

Even better, their NYU LLM is from a much more "prestigious" school than some American joker's scarlet letter triple-t JD! Both are getting paid the same for doc review, of course, but often the foreigners' employment prospects are actually better...

I'm not aware of any other country that cucks its own in this fashion, haha. Stupid fat gullible American/"new" American, the joke has always been on YOU! And the deans/professors/"educators" pocket more million$$$!!!

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triplesix (Feb 16, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

I have worked with foreigners with llms paid by the federal government. US government loves cucking the indigenous peoples of America.

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ternarydaemon (Feb 16, 2017 - 2:09 pm)

I think that the LLM is an even greater cash cow, as the infrastructure, professors and other elements can be easily taken from the JD course.

LLMs are useful for networking in tops schools and for attorneys in big government and big law where you need the credential to "fit in" in the old gentleman club, or just to not be passed over in the next promotion round. Ideally, your big law firm will lend you the amount for your llm, or keep your place until you return.

If you just take an llm for the sake of putting it into your cv, it will be only useful for big law, as even for in-house positions you will likely not receive a return on your investment. Ideally, if your family is rich and you lack entrepreneurial skills, I have seen many parents that paid the LLM of the child at a loss. As for small and mid law, experience trumps credentials anytime.

Even HR departments know that you acquire little real world skills in master degrees, and it will depend on the position you apply whether the degree is useful, and at that point, networking will be infinitely more useful than having your CV revised by a 24 year old HR intern girl.

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dingbat (Feb 16, 2017 - 2:27 pm)

You are completely overvaluing an LLM. Yes, they're useful for foreigners (in the few states that allow it), and NYU tax LLM is credited. The rest is plain old bullsh*t.

Experience/resume count for a lot more than the LLM. The only time it makes sense is, e.g. You work for an insurance company in Connecticut that pays for your insurance LLM and you are a superstar striver who's definitely moving up in the world who wants to gain extra knowledge.

If you're not a superstar, the LLM won't help. If you're a superstar, you don't need the LLM.

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therewillbeblood (Feb 16, 2017 - 4:17 pm)

They should just let non-JDs get LLMs like UK law schools do.

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inho2solo (Feb 16, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

My only question about this is, how does one go about finding and resurrecting a 5 year old thread?

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