Layoffs at Thomas Jefferson School of Law

Twelve "workers" cut; fourteen classes cut; incoming class oichininosan08/16/13
I never understood why people go to the worst terlet in the murdock08/16/13
Location matters a lot, especially for working adults who neadamb08/16/13
I'm grading scholarship apps for my bar assoc. There is a rispaghetti08/16/13
From my own experience, I think that if you have not been exadamb08/17/13
This is the truth. You expect abject lying in realty or usedupednontraditional08/17/13
I don't know man. I want to blame the institutions more, butspaghetti08/17/13
One by one the weakest links will go down. This is how it stsubprimejd08/16/13
its about time --donatus08/16/13
So the article says nothing about the lawsuit against TJSL. lawnotforme08/16/13
So the article says nothing about the lawsuit against TJSL. lawnotforme08/16/13
I am just disgusted that the judges in New York are limp anddepressedandhungry08/16/13
The BLS judge was an alumni. Most of the judges made money adamb08/17/13
I know this school is a favorite whipping boy here, but...dobodog08/16/13
nah they are better off going to a different terlet, becausemurdock08/17/13
I suppose after the once lucrative venture winds down and thnoochness08/17/13
Wow the school is $133 million in debt. Also 250 students enfrida208/17/13
"It sounds like most of the layoffs were adjuncts." Yep, daleycenter08/17/13
ichininosan (Aug 16, 2013 - 10:55 am)

Twelve "workers" cut; fourteen classes cut; incoming class of 250 down 100 from last year.

Story is here:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/aug/16/tp-jefferson-law-school-lays-off-12-workers-to/

Employment statistics for last year's graduating class are among the worst in the nation:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=thomasjefferson&show=ABA

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murdock (Aug 16, 2013 - 12:48 pm)

I never understood why people go to the worst terlet in the country when the stats to get in to just about any terlet are pretty much the same.

They must literally never look at employment numbers and make decisions based on things like how big the law library is and how close the school is to federal agencies that will never hire them.

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adamb (Aug 16, 2013 - 1:00 pm)

Location matters a lot, especially for working adults who need a short commute.

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spaghetti (Aug 16, 2013 - 4:05 pm)

I'm grading scholarship apps for my bar assoc. There is a rising TJSL 2L with a 3 year old who left a steady government in NorCal to "provide a better life for her daughter."

She even graduated magna from a good UG.

I wish I could figure out how she thought TJSL was a good idea.

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adamb (Aug 17, 2013 - 8:50 am)

From my own experience, I think that if you have not been exposed to the basics of the Law School Scam, you just do not understand that the schools have no prestige whatsoever. You do not realize that the financial aid people and the marketing people are all lying to your face, trying to get you to pay as close to sticker price so that you can fund someone with an LSAT score two points higher than yours.

If you think about it, it is a rather unbelievable, nutty, conspiracy-theory-sounding scam until you see it first hand.

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dupednontraditional (Aug 17, 2013 - 9:39 am)

This is the truth. You expect abject lying in realty or used cars, not in "higher education." One would sound like a raving lunatic about law school Ponzi schemes, if it had not already been shown to be true.

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spaghetti (Aug 17, 2013 - 3:24 pm)

I don't know man. I want to blame the institutions more, but I think ultimately it comes down to people deluding themselves into thinking "I'll be okay." Anyone who can do the most basic arithmetic can see how unlikely they are to get ANY job out of dozens of schools. This fact alone should stop people dead in their tracks from even considering 3/4 of the nation's law schools, so I have no sympathy for people who go to just about every law school and pay a ludicrous amount of money to do so. You are simply an idiot for going to the TJSLs of the world nowadays.

I think for those who aren't going into life-crippling debt it's more excusable (albeit not by much) to not fully appreciate the low likelihood you have of getting a good job. Very few people, even those in decent law schools, fully appreciate the bi-modal distribution of salaries or recognize how limited your options are if you miss the big law boat. I thought this was doom-and-gloom nonsense, but it's 100% true.

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subprimejd (Aug 16, 2013 - 1:00 pm)

One by one the weakest links will go down. This is how it starts. First on the margin, then at the center.
Thankfully we still have some market forces at play here.

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donatus (Aug 16, 2013 - 2:22 pm)

its about time --

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lawnotforme (Aug 16, 2013 - 2:49 pm)

So the article says nothing about the lawsuit against TJSL. We also don't know how many full rides were given. In any case, the new building is good collateral to lose in t y e suit suit hopefully to pay back the graduates.

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lawnotforme (Aug 16, 2013 - 2:50 pm)

So the article says nothing about the lawsuit against TJSL. We also don't know how many full rides were given. In any case, the new building is good collateral to lose in the suit suit hopefully to pay back the graduates.

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depressedandhungry (Aug 16, 2013 - 4:14 pm)

I am just disgusted that the judges in New York are limp and have no backbone. The Brooklyn Law School with its marble interior and NYLS's shiny new building down in Tribeca would make great hotels for European tourists.

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adamb (Aug 17, 2013 - 8:52 am)

The BLS judge was an alumni. Most of the judges made money from law schools at some point for hosting internship programs or teaching night classes.

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bodog (Aug 16, 2013 - 9:16 pm)

I know this school is a favorite whipping boy here, but...does it really matter? Who cares where you're school is ranked once you hit a certain point. It's like law school, does it matter if you're ranked last in the class or simply in the bottom half? Either way you're screwed.

At least the kids at TJSL get to enjoy life in San Diego. That's like a three year dream vacation. At least they'll always have that. Perfect weather year round. Flowers in constant bloom, hot chicks galore, great beaches, gas lamp district, races at Del Mar, etc.

There are tons of schools pumping out kids with no employment prospects and debt that will never be repaid. I wish I had gone to TJSL. I would be in the same boat, but at least I would be in an actual boat, or on a surfboard.

Having said that, I did check my old (low low low ranked) law school's employment numbers on LST and they were pretty decent, which doesn't surprise me, knowing the class size, the market they serve and their reputation within that market. There are discrepancies between the USN rankings and the more legitimized employment stats. Well ranked schools can have horrendous employment numbers while some low ranked schools do pretty good given the overall marketplace.

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murdock (Aug 17, 2013 - 9:00 am)

nah they are better off going to a different terlet, because TJSL's employment numbers are exceptionally awful.

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noochness (Aug 17, 2013 - 12:49 am)

I suppose after the once lucrative venture winds down and the creditors have been paid the shareholders will at least be paid their pro rata share of the assets of the company that remain.

Oops, err, I meant to say, after TJSL ceases to exist as a learned institution, the tenured professors will be paid handsome "severances packages" and given generous "buyouts" of their professorial contracts. My bad. Sorry about that, you know, for confusing TJSL for a for-profit firm and all.

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frida2 (Aug 17, 2013 - 9:28 am)

Wow the school is $133 million in debt. Also 250 students enrolled when they expected 350 - that is about a 29% short fall. It sounds like most of the layoffs were adjuncts.

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daleycenter (Aug 17, 2013 - 9:52 am)

"It sounds like most of the layoffs were adjuncts."

Yep, that is the scariest part...let's get rid of the guys/gals that have actually practiced law and keep the ones that have never really left the classroom setting in their lives, save for a year in a federal clerkship (and 'maybe' a few as a big law associate).

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