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http://bigdebtsmalllaw.wordpress.co m/ Dear ABA (American deminimus08/16/09
This is getting old and tired already. Skadden should get th SallieMae08/16/09
Wow, you really ARE SallieMae, SallieMae. Al_Bundy_4_Prez08/16/09
I think its well-written, if a bit harsh - not because the a digdug08/16/09
Harsh, you say? Harsh is squandering the second half of Al_Bundy_4_Prez08/16/09
Al_Bundy_4_Prez: Bingo. digdug: At least you had an op johndoeee08/16/09
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I loled. The pied piper of hamburg reference was the co LawyerATL08/16/09
The medieval legend is the Pied Piper of Hamelin, not "Hambu OhioDocReviewer08/16/09
"LAWYER QUITS JOB AT MIRMAN'S OFFICE, THEREFORE ENTIRE WO Venceremos08/17/09
The only thing wrong with this letter is that there was real Mastodonic08/17/09
I love SkaddenFarts new blog - I want to know more. Who IS C enterlaw08/17/09
I personally know three lawyers who graduated within two yea kansas08/17/09
so 2 of the solos you know are losers, 1 bad month away from jd2211.008/17/09
i think jd2211 is under the misguided impression that he is PhilipDru08/17/09
so 2 of the solos you know are losers, 1 bad month away from kansas08/17/09
Uhh, not for nothin', but driving a cab is one of the most d Venceremos08/17/09
At least law professor jobs/salaries are holding steady. Con schlitz08/17/09
Vence: Do you mean to tell me that driving a cab is more Bostonlawyer.208/18/09
I didn't think it was harsh. I liked it. Although, I'm sur Ashlee08/19/09
haha wow shouldagotamdinstead12/24/17
Had to dig deep for this thread. Anyone know what happen notiers12/25/17
I think this is him. Probably took down the blogs and stuff onehell12/26/17
Love that his firm is called Large scammell severian212/26/17
hmmm, if i ever get sued on any of my debts i know who i'd c wolfman12/26/17
Haha - maybe this should be their slogan: "Big Debt? Larg 6figuremistake12/28/17

deminimus (Aug 16, 2009 - 2:38 pm)

http://bigdebtsmalllaw.wordpress.com/

Dear ABA (American Biglaw Association):

Please find enclosed a literal expression of what you’ve done to our industry. Despite the massive saturation and glut of unemployed lawyers, you insist upon accrediting every tax-dodging hack who operates a law school out of his garage. The cruel reality that few of these students will ever find paying work as lawyers is; to paraphrase Hamlet, “not dreamt of in your philosophy.” Furthermore, via ABA ethics opinion 08-451, you have green-lighted and endorsed the outsourcing of domestic legal work to unlicensed, unregulated Third World boiler rooms staffed by non-lawyers. This is not only patently unacceptable, but the utter height of hypocrisy. American law students are compelled to committ massive investments of time, study, and treasure before earning the title “Attorney at Law,” a title you have lately rendered essentially worthless. You endorse sadistic and pointless hazing rituals like the Multistate Bar Exam (written by your well-paid pals at the National Conference of Bar Examiners), promulgate arbitrarily applied ethics rules that routinely screw over solos and small firms while letting Biglaw off scott free, and waste massive amounts of energy on elitist, far-left wing moonbat crusades like closing down Gitmo. Many of us outside Biglaw correctly assume that you care more about the “rights” of terrorists than the struggling young members of your own industry. The low paying document review jobs you so cavalierly outsource are to many recent grads the only bulwark between themselves and starvation.

Where were you when law school tuition rose at 3 times the rate of inflation? How do you justify forcing American lawyers to pay bar dues, CLE fees, take the MPRE, report trust account information, submit to invasive background checks and so on yet allow (and encourage) huge Biglaw firms to reap massive profits by using offshore “lawyers” who have had to endure none of these onerous prerequisites? How do you endorse (and in fact, require!) an education model that renders recent graduates experts on the common law of 16th century England but wholly unprepared to litigate a client’s simple fender bender case here in good old 2009? It is nothing short of pedagogic malpractice, and given the soaring cost of tuition it is simply unconscionable. In the eyes of many lawyers, you have lost all creditability and clearly sold the working-class attorney down the river to further enrich your elitist brethren at large firms and your Ivy-league, ivory tower law professors.

Note that I routinely use the word “industry” as opposed to “profession” when describing the practice of law. You, the ABA, have done more than anyone to justify that semantic distinction. You trashed the time-honored apprenticeship system that produced lawyers like Webster, Lincoln, and Darrow and replaced it with the current diploma-mill model that provides cushy jobs to your cronies and crushing debt to new lawyers. Sharecroppers in the Antebellum South received a greater share of the profits than most contract attorneys do from the large firms you so zealously champion, and enjoyed better working conditions. And thanks to the glut of lawyers that your “accredited” law schools have produced, small firms are constantly setting new floors for entry-level salaries. Recent grads are sending out bales of resumes to dead silence, as if trying to sell saltwater on a lifeboat. There aren’t any takers.

And, pray tell, why would there be? Not many small firms are specialists in the Rule Against Perpetuities or the nuances of UCC 2-207 or any of the other comical obscurities and exceptions that your accredited system of “education” so myopically focuses upon. Rather than stress (and teach) the practical nuts n’ bolts of everyday practice, you reward schools who compile massive libraries of cobwebbed, outdated and irrelevant minutiae and exalt “professors” whose only courtroom experience is watching Boston Legal reruns on their DVR’s. If medical schools operated under your antiquated rubric, we’d still treat staph infections with bloodletting and pneumonia with mustard plasters. You’re like an army of bows and arrows in the era of gunpowder. It’s long past time for structural change.

Young lawyers are paying a dear price for the disaster that you’ve sown. Like the Joads in The Grapes of Wrath, many young barristers lead an impoverished, transient life, flocking from one document review project to the next while hoping to stay a paycheck ahead of the loan sharks at Sallie Mae. Some try to cut their teeth in the gutter of insurance defense “practice,” cutting and pasting reams of boilerplate dreck for less money than a day laborer on a landscape crew. The temp agency pimps and their masters in Biglaw routinely lie about pay and hours, treat their fellow attorneys like expendable pieces of garbage, and routinely engage in behavior that violates not only your Rules of Professional Responsibility but also our basic human dignity. You remain deathly silent at the widespread “chill and bill” tactics of Biglaw and the outsourcing of independent legal judgment to unlicensed third world slumdogs, yet are quick to string up some starving solo attorney who dare sends a paralegal to cover a routine court appearance in a trip n’ slip case.

For all your insincere grandstanding and hot air, the legal industry has never been held in lower regard by the public, and the recent spate of chiseling crooks (see Dreier, Marc and Weiss, Mel) illustrate the shamelessness & moral bankruptcy that infects even those at the zenith of this business.

Young lawyers and solos aren’t leaving the ABA: the ABA is leaving them. Do you really expect us to sacrifice a portion of our already pathetic paychecks so that you can devise new ways to insure our perpetual serfdom? Gentlemen, have you no shame?


Yours Truly,

Law is 4 Losers aka Skadden Farts

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SallieMae (Aug 16, 2009 - 5:10 pm)

This is getting old and tired already. Skadden should get the journeyman's card and shut the fuck up. Because he was an utter failure in law, everybody who goes to law school after him will be an utter failure too. We will no longer have one trial lawyer graduating from law school after 2009 because Skadden is a total fuck up. We will never have a federal court judge appointed from the class of 2009, ever, because Skadden is a total fuck up. We will never have a supreme court justice, the head of the us attorney's office, etc come from the class of 2009 and beyond. In sixty years when the last current lawyer has that meeting with Obama's doctor board and has to check out, that will be the end of all lawyers. Keep following the insolent fuck like he is the pied piper of hamburg and you will all wind up broke and drunk.

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Al_Bundy_4_Prez (Aug 16, 2009 - 5:14 pm)

Wow, you really ARE SallieMae, SallieMae.

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digdug (Aug 16, 2009 - 5:27 pm)

I think its well-written, if a bit harsh - not because the anger isn't warranted, but that it detracts from the force of the letter.

I was in "biglaw" and I can tell you this: being highly paid to do that monkey work really doesn't provide the consolation you think it does. Running around like the world is going to end on a daily basis - and for reasons so often unecessary and manufactured - is soulcrushing in a way that no biglaw salary could ever compensate for. And that's the real rub. The profession sucks from bottom to top.

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Al_Bundy_4_Prez (Aug 16, 2009 - 6:01 pm)

Harsh, you say?

Harsh is squandering the second half of your 20s by sinking thousands of non-refundable dollars and hours into LSAT prep, three years of law school hell, character and fitness nonsense, bar exam prep, bar exam and bar dues only to be perpetually unemployable in law and non-law pursuits.

Harsh is the growing six-figure non-dischargable debt (ahhhhhhh, capitalized interest) combined with the loss of several important years of earning potential.

Harsh is sending Sallie Mae most of the inocme for which you toil (IF you're lucky), while the ABA shmucks drink champagne from high heeled women's shoes, slurp caviar and fret about the plight of dissidents in some far away land while perpetuating a scam that further crushes its constituents beneath an increasingly out-of-whack supply and demand curve.

Harsh is a financial future wrecked simply because YOU WENT TO SCHOOL TO IMPROVE YOUR LOT IN LIFE.

Harsh is watching lazy deadbeats wrack up credit card debt for flat screen tv's, jewelry, athletic shoes and other depreciating assets, only to procure legal aid services on their way to a fresh start discharge in bankruptcy court.

Harsh is knowing you'll die in debt for a useless piece of paper.

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johndoeee (Aug 16, 2009 - 6:53 pm)

Al_Bundy_4_Prez:

Bingo.

digdug: At least you had an opportunity to pay down your debt. If Biglaw is soul-crushing - and I have no doubt of that truth - think of what smallaw and shitpay are.

One very important lesson I have learned is that people have absolutely no problem using other people in life for their own gain, regardless of any consequences to their victims, and then tossing them aside.

Law school and the legal "profession" are the perfect examples of this.

Time passes in life. Quickly too. And change is often not for the better.

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Guest (Aug 16, 2009 - 9:01 pm)

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LawyerATL (Aug 16, 2009 - 9:12 pm)

I loled.

The pied piper of hamburg reference was the coup de grace.

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OhioDocReviewer (Aug 16, 2009 - 10:09 pm)

The medieval legend is the Pied Piper of Hamelin, not "Hamburg."

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Venceremos (Aug 17, 2009 - 6:28 am)

"LAWYER QUITS JOB AT MIRMAN'S OFFICE, THEREFORE ENTIRE WORLD DOOMED"

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Mastodonic (Aug 17, 2009 - 7:44 am)

The only thing wrong with this letter is that there was really no need to bring up the whole Gitmo thing. Personally, I think lobbying to close Gitmo was one of the few actual positive things the ABA ever did.

The problem is the actual priorities of the ABA. They want to do things which will gain them good P.R. (e.g. lobbying to close Gitmo), rather than improving the lot of attorneys in this country, which is ostensibly the primary reason for their existence.

Besides, using terms like "far-left" and "moonbat" just make you look like a white-trash Republican partisan.

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enterlaw (Aug 17, 2009 - 10:06 am)

I love SkaddenFarts new blog - I want to know more. Who IS Clovester? Who was having sex? What about Barrassohole?

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kansas (Aug 17, 2009 - 10:50 am)

I personally know three lawyers who graduated within two years of me, who hung out shingles within the last 5 years. One does traffic mostly, and nets around $50K and doesn't work all that much. One does divorce and misc. probate, nets around $75K. And one is netting well over $100K doing landlord tenant, but had a leg up because started with a family member's medium-sized apartment complex. All started out in tiny little firms or at the state for low salaries/fee split arrangements.

I get that debt is a problem, though IMO largely self-imposed. But I don't understand why people (L4L) don't expect that they will have to hustle. That's the way the world works. I agree with him about doc review though - it's horrible work and usually managed in a degrading way.

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jd2211.0 (Aug 17, 2009 - 12:27 pm)

so 2 of the solos you know are losers, 1 bad month away from missing a mortgage payment and the other makes decent bank but only because he had a family connection. This is evidence of what exactly?

If the realistic upside of hustling in this racket is 75k a year, you might as well go drive a cab and not bother. I recently did a chapter 13 for a cab driver who is pulling down 70k a year! This is NYC, money like that doesnt even impress the homeless.

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PhilipDru (Aug 17, 2009 - 1:17 pm)

i think jd2211 is under the misguided impression that he is a long lost blue blood or something the like.

And who exactly is it that you are trying to impress?

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kansas (Aug 17, 2009 - 1:25 pm)

so 2 of the solos you know are losers, 1 bad month away from missing a mortgage payment
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In Kansas, my friend. That's pretty good money, definitely solidly upper-middle income, especially considering they just hung out shingles less than 5 years ago with no pre-existing clients. Well, maybe not the $50K, not quite upper, but she's on the mommy schedule and doesn't need to work more (husband is teacher). That cabbie is working a lot of hours.

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Venceremos (Aug 17, 2009 - 2:01 pm)

Uhh, not for nothin', but driving a cab is one of the most dangerous jobs out there.

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schlitz (Aug 17, 2009 - 7:46 pm)

At least law professor jobs/salaries are holding steady. Consider applying to teach at a LS.

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Bostonlawyer.2 (Aug 18, 2009 - 6:39 am)

Vence:

Do you mean to tell me that driving a cab is more dangerous than being a police officer...you know those guys who are involved in daily shoot outs with bad guys?

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Ashlee (Aug 19, 2009 - 1:08 pm)

I didn't think it was harsh. I liked it. Although, I'm sure they'll just rip it up instead of reading it.

Most police officers (at least on Long Island) are almost never involved in shoot-outs. A cabbie is running the risk of letting some wack-job sit behind them everytime they do their job.

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shouldagotamdinstead (Dec 24, 2017 - 10:23 pm)

haha wow

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notiers (Dec 25, 2017 - 11:19 pm)

Had to dig deep for this thread.

Anyone know what happened to Scott (a/k/a L4L / Skadden Farts)?

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onehell (Dec 26, 2017 - 12:47 pm)

I think this is him. Probably took down the blogs and stuff because as hilarious and true as they were, they were incompatible with running the practice he took over, which appears to largely focus on debt collection defense:

http://yournjattorneys.com/about-the-firm/

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severian2 (Dec 26, 2017 - 12:51 pm)

Love that his firm is called Large scammell

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wolfman (Dec 26, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

hmmm, if i ever get sued on any of my debts i know who i'd call, despite not being in nj...

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6figuremistake (Dec 28, 2017 - 10:00 am)

Haha - maybe this should be their slogan:

"Big Debt? Large Scam(mell)!

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