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Guy that wrote a how-to guide for law school apparantly fails bar

Jeez! Nando doesn't mince words. http://thirdtierreality.blo gowcod01/07/14
Wow, talk about kicking a guy when he is down. Remind me to allordpwnsu01/07/14
The guy is probably a Liberal Artist and has not worked a si imoothereforeim01/07/14
lol. Still though, if he traveled to Egypt or wherever whil jackiechiles01/08/14
Was that the dude who posted as Mrinfinity? severian201/07/14
He was so fucking annoying... He's the guy that would pos willworkforfood01/08/14
Where? On JDU? Can you link to some of his scholarship? gowcod01/08/14
I found this link via a google search. I think he posted at willworkforfood01/08/14
I am at work, but maybe someone with more time can mine that willworkforfood01/08/14
Seems like a nice positive dude. He doesn't deserve this nas gowcod01/08/14
This. He can basically either live in misery, swallowing cre onehell01/08/14
He sounds mentally ill. codenameduchess01/08/14
Yeah, basically he was just very annoying, but he happened t willworkforfood01/08/14
From what I can tell, the guy transferred from the fourth ti onehell01/08/14
.... tkjdf4sbe01/08/14
The guy was pretty unbearable but I also think it's in prett librarydude01/08/14
Good point. jackiechiles01/08/14
The guy is clearly mentally ill. He went on a trip to Egypt murdock01/08/14
I disagree. Mental illness would be to say "OMG I owe 300k I onehell01/08/14
I don't think suicidal tendencies are the only kind of menta codenameduchess01/08/14
Far from it. That's hyperbole. What I'm basically saying is onehell01/08/14
Fair enough. I'm just saying that based on some of the stuff codenameduchess01/08/14
Irrational optimism is not a sign of any recognized mental i onehell01/08/14
Maybe just aspergers.... "a person with AS may engage in willworkforfood01/08/14
No such thing anymore: http://www.theguardian.com/society onehell01/08/14
Yeah, I saw that back in the day. But I decided to avoid me willworkforfood01/09/14
This is also a guy who spent massive amounts of time trollin codenameduchess01/08/14
I heard part of a story on NPR the other week where they wer dahlia01/09/14
.... tkjdf4sbe01/08/14
I believe shithead got very mad at me awhile ago when I brie adamb01/08/14
The comment section of Third Tier Reality is pretty disturbi librarydude01/08/14
I read over the comments last night and they respected his w Guest01/08/14
The guy is clearly delusional and annoying, but he doesn't d raskolnikov01/08/14
I thought that initially, until I read a lot of the stuff th ibrslave01/08/14
Basically, this is a guy we all know too well from law schoo imoothereforeim01/08/14
I've criticized Nando on several occasions (back when he use beeyay01/08/14
This guy does not deserve this level of abuse on the interne cattleprod01/08/14
I have not followed who this guy is and why he was outed, bu johnyquest01/09/14
Many people may wonder what happened to “Mr Infinity” of inf201706/23/18

gowcod (Jan 7, 2014 - 7:48 pm)

Jeez! Nando doesn't mince words. http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2014/01/profiles-in-infinite-madness-joshua.html

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allordpwnsu (Jan 7, 2014 - 8:12 pm)

Wow, talk about kicking a guy when he is down. Remind me to never cross Nando! And all over some guy selling an ebook from which he probably made $22 total, if he was lucky, for hundreds of hours of work.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 7, 2014 - 8:14 pm)

The guy is probably a Liberal Artist and has not worked a single day in his life. $22 dollars would be a good profit for his hundred of hours of work.

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jackiechiles (Jan 8, 2014 - 9:04 am)

lol. Still though, if he traveled to Egypt or wherever while expecting a child before studying for the bar, he's irresponsible at the minimum. That money spent on the trip could've probably helped him afford stuff for the kid or the birth. I'm willing to bet he's on medicaid like other people I knew in law school that were pregnant.

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severian2 (Jan 7, 2014 - 8:18 pm)

Was that the dude who posted as Mrinfinity?

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willworkforfood (Jan 8, 2014 - 11:07 am)

He was so fucking annoying...

He's the guy that would post like 3000 word essays on how he was going to succeed in life thanks to his winning attitude.

It was like... bro... that's great but no one cares.

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gowcod (Jan 8, 2014 - 11:08 am)

Where? On JDU? Can you link to some of his scholarship?

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willworkforfood (Jan 8, 2014 - 11:15 am)

I found this link via a google search. I think he posted at least a couple more of these though.


http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=49767#post701021

I copy and pasted his whole original post in that thread...:

Many people wonder why, with almost $300,000 in college debt and no job, how I can not be down in the dumps as they are. There are many reasons that I am satisfied, and even thrilled, with my life, and I want to share those reasons with my readers.

First, I realize that there is so much opportunity out there for me. I am still decently young and have a long time ahead of me. About a decade ago I would have never imagined traveling all over the world. In fact, I had never left the Northwestern United States where I was raised. If someone told me I would be traveling to Europe (4x), Africa (2x), Asia (2x) and Central America (4x) in ten years, I would have thought they were crazy. Yet, the truth was, I longed to travel, and I made it a goal of mine. In fact, I have found that goal setting has helped me become the person who I have wanted to be and it has allowed me to do so much in life. Yes, even go to, transfer, and graduate from law school!

Second, I want to say that I realize that there are many ways to get things done. I can own a home on IBR. I can purchase inexpensive land. I can learn to build my own tiny home (see this awesome website: Tiny House Swoon). There are so many opportunities in life for those who are willing to become creative.

Third, I have always believed in maintaining good health, eating right, and abstaining from alcohol, tobacco, and drugs. This includes "mind drugs." I define "mind drugs" as things that damage how one thinks. Mind drugs are all over the internet. Lately, however, I have found myself getting somewhat involved in mind drugs, and I have realized that they do nothing to help me. Internet forums where people whine and lament about life have no part in a healthy adult outlook. If you spend time reading websites where people are telling you that you can not succeed no matter what, or that you will fail, you will probably end up failing. You have to remove yourself from that way of thinking if you want to succeed. Pure and simple.

Forth, I am a Christian and believe in God. As such, it would be to spit in his face to not be thankful for the life He has given me. My life may not be completely perfect, but I have so much to be thankful for. God has assisted in me traveling the world and I have seen firsthand the lives of other people. I realize that many people have not seen the struggles that go on in poorer countries, and it is hard for many to realize (or even care) that others have a hard life. However, the reality is that many U.S. citizens have it exceedingly good and have little to no cause to complain. I do not believe that a student debtor who went to law school has any cause to complain upon graduation day. In fact, to do so is incredibly selfish and even somewhat vile. Of course, I have found that too many people only care about themselves and can not appreciate how well they have it in life. Complaining on the internet, sadly, has become a sport for some, and I honestly, with all my heart, hope that some of these people can one day make it off of the couch and see the world that is beyond their living room.

I have many goals for the future and I am very excited about them. This blog will continue to share how I go about reaching those goals while being thankful for and using my law school education. We have been taught so much in law school and I can not let all that go to waste. And further, I must remember that those who are vocal about and angry at law school are only a very small minority. Most law school graduates seem very happy about their choice to go to law school, and I am sure they will continue to be, as long as they stay away from toxic sites such as the ones that I used to frequent.

Perhaps after I am finished with my current book I will write a book on why law school can be a good investment and how a positive outlook in life will help a law school grad."

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willworkforfood (Jan 8, 2014 - 11:16 am)

I am at work, but maybe someone with more time can mine that essay nuggets of gold haha.

I wish jdunderground posting had a bold font function.

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gowcod (Jan 8, 2014 - 11:43 am)

Seems like a nice positive dude. He doesn't deserve this nastiness.

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 12:01 pm)

This. He can basically either live in misery, swallowing creditor propaganda that inability to repay a predatory loan makes you a bad person, or he can realize that the 300k is just a number and move on with his life. Good on him for choosing the latter.

As the old saying goes, if you owe the bank 10k and can't pay, you have a problem. If you owe the bank 200k and can't pay, the bank has a problem. IBR - as applied to the relatively miniscule number of six-figure debtors - is fundamentally loss mitigation: A recognition that the bank has a problem.

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codenameduchess (Jan 8, 2014 - 1:00 pm)

He sounds mentally ill.

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willworkforfood (Jan 8, 2014 - 1:51 pm)

Yeah, basically he was just very annoying, but he happened to annoy somebody (Nando) who is as psychopathic as Infiniti is annoying.

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 10:30 am)

From what I can tell, the guy transferred from the fourth tier to the second and wrote an e-book about how he was able to get 1L grades that were good enough to allow him to do so. He probably did come in at least top 25% or so after 1L and is allowed to be proud of that accomplishment and may indeed have good study advice to share with others. Naturally, he'd have more credibility if he'd transferred from WNEC to Columbia instead of WNEC to Brooklyn, and/or if he got biglaw. But he did accomplish something real which, in another generation, would indeed have constituted "winning."

He's a fellow victim of the scam and sharing study tips doesn't equate to knowingly trying to lure others into it.

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tkjdf4sbe (Jan 8, 2014 - 12:24 pm)

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librarydude (Jan 8, 2014 - 1:05 pm)

The guy was pretty unbearable but I also think it's in pretty poor taste that someone who never sat for a bar (Nando) is criticizing infinity for failing a bar.
Nando's creepy IP tracking, formulaic posts, and massive personal grudges detract from the message.

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jackiechiles (Jan 8, 2014 - 1:06 pm)

Good point.

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murdock (Jan 8, 2014 - 1:07 pm)

The guy is clearly mentally ill. He went on a trip to Egypt instead of studying for the bar. Nando should leave him be. I feel bad for the guy actually. He couldn't take control of his terrible situation, so he compensated by telling everyone his situation wasn't really that bad. It was all a mental coping mechanism, albeit a mentally ill person's mental coping mechanism.

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 2:29 pm)

I disagree. Mental illness would be to say "OMG I owe 300k I should killself!"

And the trip to Egypt? Who is to say that was not a rational decision related to the fact that he knew he wasn't going to work in NY but had already paid a nonrefundable fee? This might be the last opportunity to have an experience like that before he runs out of loan money.

The guy wrote a book entitled "how to win at law school," not "how to win at law." Seems to me there's a damn good chance he might never practice and would rather do something else than scrape and scrounge and beg for the scraps from the table of some doo-doo law firm or doc review agency.

Here is how the average law student is expected to think:

1. Gotta make top 10%, or else killself
2. Gotta get biglaw, or else killself
3. Gotta pay student loans, in full and with interest. Or else killself.
4. Gotta get in-house gig before I get canned. Or else killself.
5. Gotta have $5 million in the bank by retirement, or else TIAA Cref says I should killself because I need to find a way to get as much from a 401k as I would have from a defined-benefit 80% pension.

That crap is what's mentally ill. Obsessing about retirement beginning at age 25 is what's mentally ill. Forget it. Increasingly we're just not going to have the life we were brought up to expect. It's just not going to happen. What matters is how we cope.

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codenameduchess (Jan 8, 2014 - 2:36 pm)

I don't think suicidal tendencies are the only kind of mental illness.

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 2:42 pm)

Far from it. That's hyperbole. What I'm basically saying is this guy has realized that law school was a bad investment even though he did fairly well there. So he half-assed the bar and is going to enjoy what's left of his youth. That seems healthy to me.

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codenameduchess (Jan 8, 2014 - 2:49 pm)

Fair enough. I'm just saying that based on some of the stuff this guy has written and done, a medical check up might be in order.

It's also probably time for the blogs to leave this guy alone.

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:02 pm)

Irrational optimism is not a sign of any recognized mental illness I've heard of, unless it rises to the point of actual delusion. Here's a good article about it:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-happiness-advantage/201103/are-you-irrational-optimist

Some people could differ on it, but I doubt any real clinician would think someone like this has crossed the line into delusion. On the contrary, he clearly acknowledges the problem that exists but sees it as "local and temporary" rather than "persistent and pervasive." That's actually the opposite of mental illness; it's a sign of good mental health in the face of adversity that might jeopardize it in a weaker person.

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willworkforfood (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:04 pm)

Maybe just aspergers....

"a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a wish to change the topic of talk or end the interaction. This social awkwardness has been called "active but odd".

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onehell (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:08 pm)

No such thing anymore:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/dec/02/aspergers-syndrome-dropped-psychiatric-dsm

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willworkforfood (Jan 9, 2014 - 9:09 am)

Yeah, I saw that back in the day. But I decided to avoid medical reality in my post lol.

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codenameduchess (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:48 pm)

This is also a guy who spent massive amounts of time trolling the internet and believed he had dominated and embarrassed Campos in debate. Wait, are we talking about a certain law professor?

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm done playing armchair analyst.

I think we can all agree that the guy needs to be forgotten so that he can live his life.

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dahlia (Jan 9, 2014 - 9:50 am)

I heard part of a story on NPR the other week where they were talking about dealing with realty. Apparently people that are somewhat pessimistic actually make better decisions in tough situations because they are better able to realistically assess the possible outcomes. Not to say that you have to be depressed all the time but being all Pollyanna about everything doesn't necessarily serve a person well. Society is much to focused on everyone always having to be positive and upbeat. Sometimes a little reality check where you actually take a good, hard look at the situation is what is needed. Of course, I suppose that can also make a person want to give up but sometimes giving up is ok.

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tkjdf4sbe (Jan 8, 2014 - 2:41 pm)

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adamb (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:21 pm)

I believe shithead got very mad at me awhile ago when I briefly summarized the feud between Nando and Infinity and offered a lukewarm defense of outing Infinity (although Nando may have had the wrong guy if it really was this dude).

My opposition to outing as an attack tactic is even firmer now. However, I believe Nando was trying to get rid of a relentless troll that kept switching computers and sock puppets and all of that stuff, and he thought that the only way to stop the incessant trolling was outing. I am not saying that was "right" to do this, and indeed he may have tracked down the wrong guy at first.

However, I sympathize with this problem because it required a lot of effort to deflect a handful of trolls over time at OTLSS. A few bad trolls can hijack every comment thread every day. It sucks.

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librarydude (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:04 pm)

The comment section of Third Tier Reality is pretty disturbing. They've dragged this guy's wife into it, posts he made going back to around 2006, all sorts of wild speculation on his other online identities, and more.

The whole "outing" reminds of 4chan or encylcopedia dramatica. Great for 15 year olds, very creepy when done by law school grads.

The amount of jealously in the comments there is also disturbing. How dare infinity have money to go to Egypt! How dare he live with his upper middle class parents!

I thought Mr. Infiniti was pretty lulzy (yea being immature) just because he was one of the few contrary voices in the comments of Third Tier Reality.

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Guest (Jan 8, 2014 - 3:24 pm)

I read over the comments last night and they respected his wife. I agree that they should keep her out of it.

However, the trip to Egypt deserves all the clowning and more. Dude is a douche. I think the whole law school/bar shit is a joke but you got to put your time in if you are to pass.

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raskolnikov (Jan 8, 2014 - 5:23 pm)

The guy is clearly delusional and annoying, but he doesn't deserve to be outed and humiliated. Nando's posts on scamdeans and scamprofs are hilarious, but these vicious attacks on dissenters are a discredit to the movement to expose the law school scam.

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ibrslave (Jan 8, 2014 - 5:40 pm)

I thought that initially, until I read a lot of the stuff that this guy is credited with saying and doing. He was not just dissenting, he was apparently outing anonymous posters with home addresses and phone numbers on multiple websites. He trolled many blogs and websites and allegedly bought other website URLs in order to drive traffic to his own website to sell books on how to succeed in law school (or something like that). He trolled several websites and blogs for years on end for no other reason than to incite anger, resentment, and fear. He allegedly asked folks to commit suicide after some unfortunate result in their lives. He ridiculed students and their schools for no other reason than to create anger and frustration, often derailing meaningful discussions. And, he was apparently routinely making racist, obscene (including comments about one's grandfather), homophobic, and anti-conservative posts along the way. Etc., etc. Like I said, I would agree with you unless this is the guy who was doing all of these things and much more that I read about in the comments of Nando's post. My sense of community decency and forgiveness is lacking for this young man if these allegations are true.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 8, 2014 - 5:45 pm)

Basically, this is a guy we all know too well from law school: a person who has accomplished nothing in life but yet is 100% certain of his superior intellect.

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beeyay (Jan 8, 2014 - 5:50 pm)

I've criticized Nando on several occasions (back when he used to post here) for his inflammatory tactics and rhetoric, but I also have a lot of respect for the good work he has done. The man has saved a lot of young people from trouble. I think that's indisputable.

Aside from being annoying, Mr. Infinity has been confrontational to Nando, not only by posting derogatory remarks about Nando on his own site, but also by going to TTR and mocking and taunting Nando there for a long time. I think outing someone is rarely appropriate, but at least the guy is not really losing anything other than his anonymity on the Internet. It's not like Nando is jeopardizing his employment.

Nando is a hell of an Internet sleuth. You mess with the bull, and you'll get the horns. One should use extreme caution when stepping to Nando!

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cattleprod (Jan 8, 2014 - 6:27 pm)

This guy does not deserve this level of abuse on the internet. He had a very basic blog, low traffic and a self-published e-book about law school (with zero sales).

So why does he deserve to be ridiculed in this manner? I don't get it. There are much better targets (Brian Leiter, Nancy Leong, etc) that deserve some real online abuse.

Yes, Joshua Adams is young and lost. I was also in my late 20s. He doesn't deserve to have this level of negative attention on him whenever his name is googled in the future.

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johnyquest (Jan 9, 2014 - 10:47 am)

I have not followed who this guy is and why he was outed, but I think Nando outed one of the posters on this board a couple of years ago (I can't remember whom) with a full posting on his website, and he did not seem to have a very good reason for doing so in that case.

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inf2017 (Jun 23, 2018 - 12:53 am)

Many people may wonder what happened to “Mr Infinity” of the 2011-2013 law school days. It’s been five years now since I graduated law school. I rarely think about law school these days, as I stopped working in the legal world a year after I graduated. Instead, I went to Ukraine and taught English as a year, then moved to the Washington Coast for a while and lived and worked on a Native American Indian reservation. I always preached that “law school debt” does not have to end your life. I also preached that if you don’t get a job in law, you should not lament your life. I thought sites like Third Tier Reality were stupid, and in the end, the site went offline. I don’t know why. I suspect Nando is in legal trouble as a result of the things he said about others.

But, I will say, life for me has gotten better since I graduated from law school. In 2013, instead of going to my graduation and studying for the bar exam, I went to Egypt. Now I am moving to Egypt. As I speak, I am in Tbilisi, Georgia. I have traveled from Switzerland, through Germany, Austria, and Hungary, to Romania and then on to Ukraine where I lived for a month. I then crossed the black sea via ferry (see it all on youtube.com/mrmetropoltian) to Batumi, Georgia. In Batumi, I spent a wonderful week near the black sea before coming here to Tbilisi. I will be here a month before heading back to Ukraine and then off to Egypt where I will be living.

How do I do it? Well, I created some income streams that allow me to travel and make money at the same time. I was told that I would be a failure due to going to law school. But, I live a life that is unrelated to law. My daughter has now seen 18 countries in the same space of time that most of my fellow graduates and critics are sitting in law offices or looking for legal work. Law school was not a dead end for me. Instead, it was a part of life that ended when I said “no more.” I got a lot of hate for that, but in the end, I was right. And it feels so good to say that.

Don’t believe me? See my life at http://www.instagram.com/infinite_voyage

Just a few months ago were were at Angkor Wat. We traveled through Vietnam and Cambodia, through the Mekong Delta. We also explored South Korea. A few months before that we explored Nicaragua and Costa Rica. It was our second time to Costa Rica, and it was a blast. We even flew our friend from Ukraine and paid for her trips to all of these places. Law school didn’t hinder me. It doesn’t have to hinder anyone. THERE IS A WORLD OUT THERE BEYOND LAW SCHOOL. LAW SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE END OF YOUR LIFE. I preached that for years and got a LOT of hate for it. I was called a troll. But my life speaks for itself.

And, look at the scamblogs: They are mostly gone now. No more Nando. No more Third Tier Reality. In many ways, what I set out to do happened. The scamblogs are pretty much dead. I won. As always, I won. Thank you for reading.

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