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What are the Chances for Getting BigLaw as a 3L at OCI?

I struck out at OCI this year and have no job lined up yet f V5orKillSelf02/22/10
Just for some background - during OCI this year I was "skinn V5orKillSelf02/22/10
What a stupid post and such obvious troll-bait.. Who the johndoeee02/22/10
We don't need any of that info. We know he struck out in 2L onehell02/22/10
Very well, I'm at a top 14 school, average/slightly mediocre V5orKillSelf02/22/10
The fact that you were qualifying things with the gained 10 ForeclosureMill02/22/10
Employers judge based on looks. They want the total package V5orKillSelf02/22/10
I think your mediocre grades fucked you. Start looking for unfrozenlawyer02/22/10
... Guest02/23/10
Spoken like someone who's never, ever been inside of a large Stan_Darsh_02/24/10
While I think your post is trollish, there's some truth to t notreallyalawyer10/09/17
OP: 3L OCI is for people who did biglaw 2L summer, got an of BarackObama02/22/10
Why would I work in law if I was only going to make $40k? Fu V5orKillSelf02/23/10
titcr solosmallguy02/26/10
Because you have a law degree and an insane need to justify attorneydavid10/09/17
In 2006 or 2007 you might of had a chance, but I'll second e hob302/23/10
you could always get an LLM and have another crack at OCI, a snookerbtch02/23/10
Obviously, you should give it your best shot, because you ne CleverLoginName02/23/10
"during OCI this year I was 'skinny fat' and had put on a go Schmee02/23/10
Yes I was kidding about the skinny fat thing - though some p V5orKillSelf02/23/10
I wonder if this guy ever got a legal career going. doublefriedchicken10/09/17
Crap, I replied to one of the posts not realizing it was 7 y notreallyalawyer10/09/17
same here. oops attorneydavid10/09/17

V5orKillSelf (Feb 22, 2010 - 6:16 pm)

I struck out at OCI this year and have no job lined up yet for the summer. Assuming I can keep my grades up what are the chances of getting any interest from BigLaw next year at OCI as a 3L?

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V5orKillSelf (Feb 22, 2010 - 6:23 pm)

Just for some background - during OCI this year I was "skinny fat" and had put on a good 10 lbs, which I think the recruiters saw as a moral failing. However, I should be back to my usual slender physique by next year.

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johndoeee (Feb 22, 2010 - 8:42 pm)

What a stupid post and such obvious troll-bait..

Who the hell cares about your "chipmunk cheeks"??

Provide some actual, useful information, i.e. approximate US News school rank, grades/ranking, Law Review or not, and then - maybe - someone will offer some advice.

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onehell (Feb 22, 2010 - 9:00 pm)

We don't need any of that info. We know he struck out in 2L OCI.

OP: 3L OCI is for people who did biglaw 2L summer, got an offer, and are looking at potentially switching firms. They have ZERO interest in anyone who did anything other than biglaw 2L summer.

Listen to this very carefully. Barring an extreme miracle such as a federal clerkship, you are never, ever going to get biglaw. As soon as 2L OCI ended and you left empty handed, you were almost definitely on the toileteer track for life. You only get one shot, and you blew it. My advice is to drop out now unless you are on a VERY substantial scholarship that can't be revoked based on grades.

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V5orKillSelf (Feb 22, 2010 - 9:27 pm)

Very well, I'm at a top 14 school, average/slightly mediocre grades 1L. On a journal but not law review. Grades have slightly improved and are on the upswing. Considering I'm a 2L, I don't see how it makes sense to drop out at this point. My sense is that in any other economy I would have had a better shot but got fucked over this round because they were hiring so conservatively.

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ForeclosureMill (Feb 22, 2010 - 9:45 pm)

The fact that you were qualifying things with the gained 10 pounds nonsense told us all we needed to know

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V5orKillSelf (Feb 22, 2010 - 9:48 pm)

Employers judge based on looks. They want the total package. In this economy you can't afford to be anything less. I know *I* wouldn't hire someone too overweight or ugly. How are you going to show them to clients? How are they gonna have the stamina to do 2,500 billables in a year? In life, sometimes, you have to look the part.

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unfrozenlawyer (Feb 22, 2010 - 10:31 pm)

I think your mediocre grades fucked you. Start looking for a firm to work for during the school year. Get some experience.

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Guest (Feb 23, 2010 - 7:48 am)

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Stan_Darsh_ (Feb 24, 2010 - 8:59 pm)

Spoken like someone who's never, ever been inside of a large firm. Go introduce yourself to some of the trolls who work in BigLaw, then repost.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 9, 2017 - 10:20 am)

While I think your post is trollish, there's some truth to this. When I was in law school, the law firms got a hand on the 1L facebooks which had photos of everyone in the class during their 1L, regardless of grades/journal the most attractive women in the class got OCIs during 2L, over men/women with much higher grades and journal experience. The next year the school forbade firms access to the facebooks and this suddenly stopped, and less attractive women got interviews.

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BarackObama (Feb 22, 2010 - 11:50 pm)

OP: 3L OCI is for people who did biglaw 2L summer, got an offer, and are looking at potentially switching firms. They have ZERO interest in anyone who did anything other than biglaw 2L summer.

Listen to this very carefully. Barring an extreme miracle such as a federal clerkship, you are never, ever going to get biglaw. As soon as 2L OCI ended and you left empty handed, you were almost definitely on the toileteer track for life. You only get one shot, and you blew it. My advice is to drop out now unless you are on a VERY substantial scholarship that can't be revoked based on grades.

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TITCR (except the dropping out part since this guy is probably already $140K in the hole).

Also, I should add that 3L OCI no longer exists. It was something that firms did back in the day to fill holes in their 2L recruitment (i.e. they underhired). Even then, the only way you would have a shot at the firm is if your interest was in the same department they need an additional person for and you worked in that same department in another large law firm the prior summer. FWIW, last year the average number of 3L OCI interviews at my school (one higher ranked than yours) was 0-1 interviews, this year it was closer to 0 interviews. You will be extremely lucky if you even get 1 interview next year as a 3L (it's like lottery odds), and even if you get that interview and were top 5% (not even possible at this point for you) you would still have no shot at it because you didn't work for a firm, in the department that they need a person for, in your 2L summer.

Some GULC 3L that claimed to be top 5% blogged about his 1 interview with a firm this year. He also mentioned he didn't get a callback (he already had an offer from his current firm, but still that just shows that you have no shot at biglaw). In a better economy you might at least have a shot at some midsize firm this summer and post graduation simply because of the school you attend. In this economy, midsize firms aren't really hiring (they just don't need anyone) -- I suspect if you are not a flame you already know this though since you presumably would have applied to a large number of midsize firms last fall.

Enjoy shitlaw, and your $40K /year salary if you are lucky (like the rest of us)!

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V5orKillSelf (Feb 23, 2010 - 12:17 am)

Why would I work in law if I was only going to make $40k? Fuck it, I'll do something I enjoy.

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solosmallguy (Feb 26, 2010 - 5:53 am)

titcr

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attorneydavid (Oct 9, 2017 - 10:46 am)

Because you have a law degree and an insane need to justify your investment. You will also be under intense family pressure to use the law degree. Also the law degree will make it very difficult to get an entry level position in anything else.

This is very common.

However, it's more sensible to try to go corporate or retrain in something with promotion potential. Supposedly a couple years experience will whitewash the JD into almost an MBA for promotion purposes.

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hob3 (Feb 23, 2010 - 6:53 am)

In 2006 or 2007 you might of had a chance, but I'll second everyone else re fall of 2010 - give it a shot, but don't expect any miracles. Every firm has such a backlog of deferred associates that its hard to imagine much of a need for 3L recruiting.

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snookerbtch (Feb 23, 2010 - 8:17 am)

you could always get an LLM and have another crack at OCI, amirite?

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CleverLoginName (Feb 23, 2010 - 11:46 am)

Obviously, you should give it your best shot, because you never know.

But you should absolutely not get your hopes up. Start working at a firm, any firm, during the school year. Get some useful experience so you'll have a chance at getting some kind of decent job after graduation.

It really sucks how rigid, lockstep, and indifferent to merit biglaw hiring is. I mean, misspending a single summer can set the course of your career for the rest of the life? It's bullshit, but that's the way it is.

oh, and FYI, if your handle is an accurate reflection of your attitude, you will never, ever be happy with a career in law. There was a great post here about how futile and self-destructive prestige-chasing is, but to sum it up, no matter how prestigious your pedigree and job are, there's always someone who can effortlessly make you feel like toilet scum, if you let them.

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Schmee (Feb 23, 2010 - 11:53 am)

"during OCI this year I was 'skinny fat' and had put on a good 10 lbs, which I think the recruiters saw as a moral failing"

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I lol'd at this and I hope you were kidding. C'mon man, do you know how many pasty buckets o' flab populate the average biglaw firm? Believe me, they don't care about this. Being hot can certainly help your chances, but carrying a few extra lbs is not going to hurt you.

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V5orKillSelf (Feb 23, 2010 - 10:25 pm)

Yes I was kidding about the skinny fat thing - though some people here read everything so literally and get so fired up, sometimes it's tempting to "stir the pot."

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doublefriedchicken (Oct 9, 2017 - 2:57 am)

I wonder if this guy ever got a legal career going.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 9, 2017 - 10:21 am)

Crap, I replied to one of the posts not realizing it was 7 years old. He couldn't be doing any worse than I am.

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attorneydavid (Oct 9, 2017 - 10:47 am)

same here. oops

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