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Give my life a grade A-F. 1. Finance ugrad 2. Top 50 LS TTTsuicide11/15/10
Doesn't sound too bad. Sounds like you have no real financi therewillbeblood11/15/10
I'd say that your life is right now a B-. If you had good g greenhorn11/15/10
I worked both summers, paid. I feel like failing the bar has TTTsuicide11/15/10
TTTsuicide, let's compare lives based on your criteria. 1 severian211/15/10
You have a non-fluff ugrad degree. Granted, its a recession/ bigwags11/15/10
For reference: 1. Economics BA 2. Bailed on law school bigwags11/15/10
A- bigwags, your life seems pretty decent. You got a lit pharmstudent11/15/10
This is where this shit all really kills me. I made that muc TTTsuicide11/15/10
Thank you, although I've been bested by the medical troll/go bigwags11/15/10
I do really want to be an attorney, however +++++++++++++++ catwoman33312/18/18
You get a B-. Mostly due to the fact you have no loans. Than pharmstudent11/15/10
Find a Cougar who will support you? Your physical descriptio Frida211/15/10
No question here, you fail. F for epic fail. Mommy and Da followme11/15/10
You are educated with no loans! You will pass the bar in Fe hotattorney11/24/10
I would put you at a B-. You have no big financial stresses legallycorrupt11/15/10
Rate the life of this person: 1. 30 years old 2. Balding Hereinliesacynic11/15/10
Big negatives for the balding, divorce and child support. P severian211/15/10
1) 29 years old 2) Full, thick hair 3) No Student Loans (e redrunner11/15/10
you're a solid B. Lose a little weight, try to get a legal a TTTsuicide11/15/10
Only a B? Haha, I see people are listing their "potential redrunner11/15/10
A+ lucky trust fund baby bastard. pharmstudent11/15/10
i would say b+. We have a lot of similarities.... except futuredocreviewer11/15/10
lol ... oozes shitlaw ... I like it! Hereinliesacynic11/15/10
Hereinliesacynic B+ you are practically living the Am pharmstudent11/15/10
Easier just to shave your head. therewillbeblood11/15/10
This thread is made for me! 1. Public admin grad 2. No g Boomshakalaka11/15/10
Overall pretty solid A- pharmstudent11/15/10
sounds to me like you've got life by the balls! Diplolaw11/20/10
OP: I give your life a C. If you had to be responsible for JazzOne11/15/10
1. Biology undergrad 2. Top 20 law school, top 10% grades, JazzOne11/15/10
Devil is in the details here. I'd have to see how ugly your pharmstudent11/15/10
TCR. If your gf is a 5, than it ain't so great. if your gf i TTTsuicide11/15/10
I would give her a 7. Then again, I'm biased because she tr JazzOne11/16/10
You're 33 and dating a 21-year-old? What for, if you're not KarlFarbman11/16/10
Long story, too personal. We're together though, and probab JazzOne11/16/10
id say b+ no debt. Great school. IP law. summer job. GF futuredocreviewer11/15/10
Yeah, age and looks are hurting me. I'm planning to get a g JazzOne11/16/10
A. The inheritance is bitchin' bigwags11/15/10
That's a fairly conservative estimate too, basically the net JazzOne11/16/10
That's pretty harsh, dude. Does it make you feel better? TTTsuicide11/15/10
You're right. 6'2", 185 is pretty baller. C+ then? JazzOne11/15/10
I don't know bro, factor in that I'm a spineless bastard and TTTsuicide11/15/10
I was re-assessing your situation. You have no major health JazzOne11/15/10
boomshakalaka, you get a C-. B- for your stats but starting severian211/15/10
Give me a break! My life is a B+, minimum. No debt, good job Boomshakalaka11/15/10
1. Graduate of Harvard, Masters degree, History 2. Gradua OhioDocReviewer11/15/10
A-. The looks take it down a bit but being a God on Earth Boomshakalaka11/15/10
There was a time...it seems a thousand centuries ago...that OhioDocReviewer11/15/10
Freedom from the opinion of others? The horror, the horror! Boomshakalaka11/15/10
Thanks for that, poet warrior. My best lol today. :-) texlaw11/15/10
Did you also go to law school or just post here? 12345arff11/15/10
... therewillbeblood11/15/10
Probably an "F",due to the whole Heart of Darkness thing. digitalserf11/15/10
Wow, TTTsuicide. Yours isn't so bad when you put it that wa cowgod11/15/10
Well, that is what nobody has factored in. It probably makes TTTsuicide11/15/10
If I were a guy I would rather be balding, 5'7" and biglaw ( legallycorrupt11/15/10
How tall are you? I've noticed, bizarrely enough, that the therewillbeblood11/15/10
I'm probably 5'5ish"? That's why I don't really care about h legallycorrupt11/15/10
so far, non of the people that have posted so far merit a ki pharmstudent11/15/10
wow this is fun... Rate me: 1. Econ undergrad Top public U futuredocreviewer11/15/10
A-. Would be an A+ if you we're White. TTTsuicide11/15/10
my old gf was asian tall and in med school.... that would ha futuredocreviewer11/15/10
futuredocreviewer, post a pic of your gf for beeyay. severian211/15/10
Heh heh. I'd be happy to rate the Asian GF to assist in the beeyay11/15/10
A- if ND/Emory/UIUC/GW =/= ND Get into shape, and that bump JazzOne11/16/10
B+. If you were a white guy, you'd get extra credit for the Diplolaw11/20/10
Rate my life 1. Undergraduate education- top 5 Univers borntodieonce11/15/10
TROLL ON! TTTsuicide11/15/10
borntodieonce, Fuck you greenhorn11/15/10
he's in med school and girl is rejecting him. Must have no g pharmstudent11/15/10
Hmmm, hope things work out for you, but be careful. People therewillbeblood11/15/10
A+ if troll; A+ if truth. Hell, if you were gay and asked bigwags11/15/10
I am not a troll. borntodieonce11/15/10
You're a worse troll than I am, bro. Boomshakalaka11/15/10
I am not a troll- seriously. I got dealt a good hand, and I borntodieonce11/15/10
You got to know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em, know therewillbeblood11/15/10
It sounds like everyone on this board is doing okay. 12345arff11/15/10
This does sound fun. 1. Undergrad History - party school foreverdestitute11/15/10
The 160k is brutal. You get a C/C+ depending on if there is TTTsuicide11/15/10
Hard to give you an overall grade. If this was a high school bigwags11/15/10
Mobility outlook is not good. Had an interview with a better foreverdestitute11/20/10
Yikes! C. Debt blows. JazzOne11/16/10
D+. I don't see how you will ever erase that debt. Diplolaw11/20/10
Forever, Job + GF = B jester11/15/10
1. Very skinny in highschool (6'2 130), got pushed around, l jester11/15/10
NYU or UF LLM? You should be doing better than you are with TTTsuicide11/15/10
Seriously. Since moving in with my dad, I've lost most of m cowgod11/16/10
Jesus Christ, Lord have mercy. Move to Korea, default on pharmstudent11/15/10
Agreed. 200K is a hole you will never dig yourself out of. Diplolaw11/20/10
What do you all think the threshold is between possible and TTTsuicide11/20/10
For law, anything upper 5 to 6 figures and you're toast, unl Diplolaw11/20/10
Don't forget IBR, tho. I wonder how much of this dude's debt TTTsuicide11/20/10
true, it's the private loans that will be the chain around h Diplolaw11/20/10
1. Hot partner who lives upstairs from me, same building. PrincessShithead11/15/10
Want another partner? TTTsuicide11/15/10
Depressing, you gave your life to law and it just took a big pharmstudent11/15/10
I'm not smart enough to feel depressed by my situation. Oth PrincessShithead11/16/10
Have you considered India? karlfarbman12/31/14
haha serbexo01/03/15
edit. decided against having my background posted on jdu. brooklynhollaback11/16/10
Brooklyn, Do you really despise practicing law ? I thoug greenhorn11/16/10
I can still go back to the recruiting firm. The owner likes brooklynhollaback11/16/10
I think the question here is what the rating mechanism is. S orgdonor11/16/10
F - I don't want to live A+ - Life is great and I want to l pharmstudent11/16/10
TTTsuicide: You get F for Failure. OK, Ok, Pity D is yo penisoid11/16/10
Rate me 1. Science Ugrad from top state 2. Masters science penisoid11/16/10
I want your life. pharmstudent11/16/10
LOL. Most of that is pretty great, but you obviously have pr TTTsuicide11/16/10
I would normally give your life a B+ but I find your previou butt_hair11/16/10
I am also permabanned on TLS. I really did annoy them a lot. penisoid11/16/10
You seem to have no connection to law at all. Why bother po KarlFarbman11/16/10
Well I was really considering Law School. The problem is, I penisoid11/16/10
B So close JazzOne11/16/10
1. Poli Sci (UCLA/UCB) 2. UC Law 3. Government job (100k/y Sedale11/16/10
Your fiance is all 3? I don't consider dentists to be 2nd pharmstudent11/16/10
One of the three... She wants to open her own practice. Sedale11/16/10
What was your point in mentioning all three? ------------ tolietdegree11/16/10
1. I agree. Barely got into an ivy but not a good one so I w Sedale11/16/10
A.... if younger or engaged to a doc i would say a+ futuredocreviewer11/16/10
A I think we have a winner. JazzOne11/16/10
Well here goes mine: 1.) BA History from respectable but greenhorn11/16/10
For what its worth, I give you an A for standing by your old jeremiahwright11/16/10
B+. Having elderly parent sucks but you got a decent 55K job penisoid11/16/10
B+ Job kind of sucks, but you're in shape and have financ JazzOne11/16/10
Employed lawyer at age 26, with career on the upswing. Resp frugal_and_puzzled11/20/10
26.5 BMI skankhunt4212/18/18
Yeah, and the restoring old houses and old boats is way cool Porcupino11/16/10
For those considering teaching English overseas, it's not al SHUIZ11/16/10
Thats actually cool. Especially if work is low stress penisoid11/17/10
I'm coming off a trial, so bear with me if I'm just being a AJRESQ11/16/10
Sometimes it's hard to prep for trial when it's handed off t Sedale11/16/10
I must say after reading this site I am extremely happy I di GladIdidntgo11/22/10
Ok here goes 1. Top UC undergrad (STEM) 2. Top 50 LS top 1 shammer01/01/15
Dude, my wife and I have over $400K in loans combined (yup, shikes01/01/15
Here's mine: 1. Top public undergrad, bachelor's in busin barnone01/01/15
At 600K per year I'd be looking to retire by 50 easily if no shikes01/01/15
Not thinking about retiring ever, but I'd love to get enough barnone01/01/15
$600k seems high for non-equity partner. Are you on an inte lionelhutz01/01/15
I'm on a modified expat package, yes. Would prefer not to di barnone01/01/15
I should clarify by saying that there are (virtually) NO equ barnone01/01/15
$600k is nice money for non-equity in any firm, of course if lionelhutz01/01/15
You'd give me at least an A if you knew my wife! That aside, barnone01/02/15
Here is one from a 3L: 1. Economics BS from state school gggg01/02/15
I think this is a situation for binomial grading - coming ou lionelhutz01/03/15
Ok, I'll play: trolleybus01/03/15
A few questions -- 1. Are you the "my friend's cousin m lionelhutz01/03/15
1. Legit niche field (i.e., not a sex cam), about 40-50% of trolleybus01/03/15
1. I would respect you more if it was a sex cam or other sc lionelhutz01/03/15
Pimping aint easy, so who knows. trolleybus01/03/15
This thread makes me sad. afring01/06/15

TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:22 pm)

Give my life a grade A-F.

1. Finance ugrad
2. Top 50 LS, shit grades, class of '10
3. No job
4. Failed bar, retake in Feb.
5. Live at home, don't have to pay for anything. No personal debt beyond school loans
6. Parents will pay my loans (75k)
7. Normal looking
8. 28 y/o
9.Physically: Full head of thick hair, 6 2', 185 pretty solid (used to work out a lot, slowly gettig less solid).
10. Single


I'm starting to get very depressed. I am wondering when it is time to throw in the towel. I failed the bar (I really didn't study) and I have shit ls grades. Now I have to wait until February to retake and then another four months or so to get results (already done character and fitness and mpre). I actually do want to be a lawyer, but I am getting very discouraged and don't know if I'm just wasting my time waiting to retake (and then trying to find a jerb). Is it time for me to focus on going in another direction? Is more education right for me? Should I just try to get a non law job? Should I kill myself? I am highly contemplating this. What do you all think?

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:24 pm)

Doesn't sound too bad. Sounds like you have no real financial worries, in which case another grad degree might not be a horrible idea.

Edit: EXCEPT that horrible naturopathy idea.

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greenhorn (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:30 pm)

I'd say that your life is right now a B-. If you had good grades and passed the bar it would have been upped to a B+, maybe A- if you had good work experience in your law school days.

Whatever you do, PASS THE BAR. Even if you don't practice, pass the bar and get licensed. If you don't pass the bar people will haunt you for a long time asking "why aren't you a lawyer, didn't you pass the bar" ? If you pass the bar you can say, "yeah I passed the bar but decided law isin't for me." Passing the bar kinda gives you a little more street credibility...not much...but you already made the mistake of law school, so you might as well finish it all up and pass that freakin test. You have nothing to loose. Overall though, you have it pretty good.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:09 pm)

I worked both summers, paid. I feel like failing the bar has negated that however. I have contacts but have not talked to anyone out of embarassment of failing. I've ignored phonecalls to avoid talking about it.

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severian2 (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:30 pm)

TTTsuicide, let's compare lives based on your criteria.

1. History ugrad
2. TTT LS, mediocre grades, class of '06.
3. Plaintiff's attorney, hate my job but make 80k+
4. Passed the bar on the first attempt.
5. Live with my wife in a small NYC apt.
6. No loans.
7. Normal looking but short. Married
8. 28 y/o too almost 29.

You can still abort ship and bail on this shitastic profession. You've got no strings to hold you down. That's the one place you definitely have me beat.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:34 pm)

You have a non-fluff ugrad degree. Granted, its a recession/depression, but you should be able to find something entry-level outside of law. As long as your expectations of entry-level are in or around 35k.

I give you a C.

Plus points for lack of financial worries, non-useless undergrad, and being relatively young. Negative points for the law/job situation.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:42 pm)

For reference:

1. Economics BA
2. Bailed on law school after informing myself.
3. ~45k/yr job in field. Live in flyover TTTish city with decent nightlife and low COL (650 sq ft 1 BR for $500/mo)
4. No certifications; mulling the idea of a regional MBA if the price is right.
5. ~35k combined student loan/car loan/cc debt (28/6/1)
6. No financial support from parents
7. Big (6'6, 285 - former college OL) w/ long term GF.
8. 24

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:52 pm)

A-

bigwags, your life seems pretty decent. You got a little debt but it can be paid off quickly in a few years. Best of all you are young, have a job and living on your own with a woman.

Be weary though, as recession looms and can turn that life upside down pretty quickly.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:07 pm)

This is where this shit all really kills me. I made that much in a decent job with upward mobility (steady raises and promotions) when I was 22 years old and I thought I was pathetic. All of my co-workers thought I was out of my mind when I left for skool. Now I would be happy to make 35k at 28. I do really want to be an attorney, however. I just wonder if I am throwing more time out of the window for nothing by even bothering with the law shit anymore. I have no fucking idea what I would do if I went back to skool, other than the naturopathic route.

EDIT: Bigwags, you win so far.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:47 pm)

Thank you, although I've been bested by the medical troll/god below.

What field were you in / what was the COL in the area of your job out of college?

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catwoman333 (Dec 18, 2018 - 9:21 pm)

I do really want to be an attorney, however
+++++++++++++++++
WHY???? From reading this chat board you should see how obviously MISERABLE they are...

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:32 pm)

You get a B-. Mostly due to the fact you have no loans. Thank your parents by spending time with them.

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Frida2 (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:14 pm)

Find a Cougar who will support you? Your physical description sounds nice but you need to stop eating at KFC right now. Do volunteer legal work? Pass the bar, figure out later if you really want/can be an attorney or not. Don't killself - you have a decent life, B- I'd say.

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followme (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:01 pm)

No question here, you fail. F for epic fail.

Mommy and Daddy going to give you money to go out with your friends too? I have no sympathy for you. You take for granted the following:

(1) You have a roof over your head.
(2) You don't have to pay for anything.
(3) Your parents are picking up your law school debt (they've probably been doing this your whole life, explaining why normal non-spoiled people would not be depressed in your situation).

You have nothing to be depressed about. It doesn't sound like you've ever had to work for anything. There are many people in America like you, so don't feel "alone."

If you want to rid yourself of the judgment that any self-made person would pass on you at this point (the judgment I am currently passing on you), man up. Study for the bar in February and actually put effort into it. Take accountability for yourself and your actions. As soon as it becomes feasible, start paying your own bills - this will do much to increase your self-esteem. Remove your mouth from your mother's chest in as timely of a manner as possible.

Once you do this, your life is well above-average because you are doing something that most people in this country do not - taking responsibility for yourself. Let's face it, if you didn't have mommy and daddy as a safety net maybe you would have taken the bar a little more seriously. Independence will do wonders for you.

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hotattorney (Nov 24, 2010 - 1:01 pm)

You are educated with no loans! You will pass the bar in February. Life is full of challenges, this is just a small tiny glitch on your path to success. 28 is so young. You have your entire future ahead of you. Best of luck to you!

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legallycorrupt (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:39 pm)

I would put you at a B-. You have no big financial stresses since you live with the parents and they'll pay your loans for you, feed and clothe you. Your life could be worse, as in you're 200K in debt, estranged from family/friends and have no job.

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Hereinliesacynic (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:49 pm)

Rate the life of this person:
1. 30 years old
2. Balding
3. No student loans; paid them off
4. In 4th year of practice
5. Owns luxury sedan, paid for in cash
6. Divorced with child in elementary school
7. $800 child support payment
8. Admitted in 3 states
9. Worked in smallish/midlaw type firm for 3 years, lots of good experience
10. 35k in cash

Rate this lawyer ... A-F.

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severian2 (Nov 15, 2010 - 5:52 pm)

Big negatives for the balding, divorce and child support. Positives for no loans. Smallish/midlaw just oozes shitlaw.

D

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redrunner (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:04 pm)

1) 29 years old
2) Full, thick hair
3) No Student Loans (employer during law school paid...)
4)...however employer cut me loose post-grad, so unemployed now
5) Wealthy Parents (meaning modest trust fund of ~$200,000)
6) Girlfriend makes $150,000/year (but can't propose due to unemployment)
7) Personally have about $50,000 saved
8) Myself: 5'9, overweight: 185 pounds; Girlfriend: 5'4, 100 lbs.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:17 pm)

you're a solid B. Lose a little weight, try to get a legal aid job, get married.

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redrunner (Nov 15, 2010 - 10:48 pm)

Only a B?

Haha, I see people are listing their "potential inheritance." If that is the case, then I would say after everything, I will inherit just over $1 million. Maybe that gives me an "A" grade ha.

The sad irony of it all is that BEFORE law school, I actually was at A+ (I just didn't realize it): essentially, take everything from above, except that I was employed as a consultant, making $60,000 total after a year and a half, travelling all across America...and I weighed 160 lbs. Instead, I thought I was "failing," as I saw my friends and girlfriends making $100,000+ on Wall ST., or those who went directly to law school, seeing them make half that in 10 weeks of a summer associateship...so I suppose I deserve whatever pain I have inflicted on my life and career.

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:56 pm)

A+

lucky trust fund baby bastard.

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futuredocreviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:22 pm)

i would say b+.
We have a lot of similarities....
except your gf makes a lot more than mine and is skinnier/taller...
Id say you have a decent amount of positives.

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Hereinliesacynic (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:10 pm)

lol ... oozes shitlaw ... I like it!

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:37 pm)

Hereinliesacynic

B+

you are practically living the American dream, except the support payments and wife gone. For the hair I'd suggest taking propecia in combination with nizoral 2% shampoo. And to get a new girl, you are still young.

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:47 pm)

Easier just to shave your head.

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Boomshakalaka (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:05 pm)

This thread is made for me!

1. Public admin grad
2. No grad school
3. Civil service, business analysis job, make around 55K
4. Live in large metro area in continental US
5. Sensible apartment in nice part of town but nothing ostentatious
6. No debt
7. Decent looking
8. Long-term GF
9. 25 Y/O

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:37 pm)

Overall pretty solid A-

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:33 pm)

sounds to me like you've got life by the balls!

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JazzOne (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:06 pm)

OP: I give your life a C. If you had to be responsible for your own debt, that would drop to an D.

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JazzOne (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:10 pm)

1. Biology undergrad
2. Top 20 law school, top 10% grades, class of '12
3. Two summer offers, will earn ~$40K this summer
4. Bar exam won't be a problem
5. Small duplex with my girlfriend, will graduate with ~$40K debt
6. Stand to inherit ~$300K in assets
7. Below average looks (average face but short and thin build)
8. 33 male

Edit:
9. I'm 5'7", 140
10. Girlfriend is 5'6", 130
11. GF and I each drive a coupe, 2006 and 2007

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:39 pm)

Devil is in the details here. I'd have to see how ugly your mug is and how fuckable your gf is. But a lot of it is encouraging.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:01 pm)

TCR. If your gf is a 5, than it ain't so great. if your gf is a 7+, then this is pretty decen. What is her height to weight ratio? 5'5, 120 would be excellent. 5'2, 130 would be pretty bad unless she is jacked.

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 1:48 am)

I would give her a 7. Then again, I'm biased because she treats me right. She's put on a few, so let's say lower 7. She's 5'6", 120 when we met, probably pushing 130 now. She's 21 and has a steady retail management job.

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KarlFarbman (Nov 16, 2010 - 9:17 am)

You're 33 and dating a 21-year-old? What for, if you're not even rating her that high in the looks department?

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:24 pm)

Long story, too personal. We're together though, and probably not separating any time soon.

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futuredocreviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:08 pm)

id say b+
no debt. Great school. IP law. summer job.
GF

however.. age and looks might hurt you.

I think it depends on how hot your gf is... lol

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 1:50 am)

Yeah, age and looks are hurting me. I'm planning to get a gym membership once finals are over. If I could put on a little muscle and feel healthier, that would do wonders for my looks and confidence.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:43 pm)

A. The inheritance is bitchin'

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:02 am)

That's a fairly conservative estimate too, basically the net present value if my mom were to kick the bucket tonight (dad's already passed on). My mom is so good with money, though, that the inheritance could be more like half a million if she lives a while longer. I joke around with her that I want her to keep her health up because the longer she lives, the bigger the estate will be!

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:18 pm)

That's pretty harsh, dude. Does it make you feel better?

LOL at changing it.

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JazzOne (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:19 pm)

You're right. 6'2", 185 is pretty baller. C+ then?

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:20 pm)

I don't know bro, factor in that I'm a spineless bastard and would rather killself than do something like go teach english abroad. It's pretty shitty when I know all I need to do is pass the bar, get a job and I'm in a pretty sweet situation...

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JazzOne (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:19 pm)

I was re-assessing your situation. You have no major health problems, so my initial impression was too harsh. Plus, you have the height going for you, and women like that no matter what. I retract my initial assessment.

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severian2 (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:19 pm)

boomshakalaka, you get a C-. B- for your stats but starting threads with titles that include the phrase "Taking Life By the Balls" is a big negative.

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Boomshakalaka (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:50 pm)

Give me a break! My life is a B+, minimum. No debt, good job, loving GF, stable income and plenty of time to pursue my interests.

Come on! Your grading scale is brutal, man!

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OhioDocReviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:27 pm)

1. Graduate of Harvard, Masters degree, History

2. Graduate of West Point, second in class

3. Green Beret Colonel, 5th Special Forces Group

4. Completed Airborne training, Fort Benning Georgia at age 38

5. Age 43

6. Wife, Janet, one son

7. Bald

8. Forty pounds overweight

9. Six feet six inches in height

10. Poet warrior in the classic sense...like reading Milton, T.S. Eliot, and Frazer's "Golden Bough"

11. Live in fortified Cambodian temple compound at Nu Mung Ba with fellow Special Forces soldiers and savage Montagnard tribespeople who worship me like a god, and follow my every order, however ridiculous

12. No debts...sell the house, sell the car, sell the kids, I'm never coming back.

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Boomshakalaka (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:51 pm)

A-.

The looks take it down a bit but being a God on Earth is definitely "A" material. Also, wife and kids are overrated so you get high marks for ditching them.

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OhioDocReviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:57 pm)

There was a time...it seems a thousand centuries ago...that I would have thanked you for your grade, Mr. Boomshakalaka.

However, I am beyond such matters. After all...have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedom from the opinion of others...even the opinions of yourself?

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Boomshakalaka (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:01 pm)

Freedom from the opinion of others? The horror, the horror!

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texlaw (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:52 pm)

Thanks for that, poet warrior. My best lol today. :-)

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12345arff (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:46 pm)

Did you also go to law school or just post here?

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:07 pm)

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digitalserf (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:49 pm)

Probably an "F",due to the whole Heart of Darkness thing.

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cowgod (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:38 pm)

Wow, TTTsuicide. Yours isn't so bad when you put it that way. Probably because you left out the part about how hard it is to actually get a job. You'd be in pretty good shape if we weren't living in the End Times. I'd say that's a pretty significant factor.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:54 pm)

Well, that is what nobody has factored in. It probably makes things worse for me and you that we don't have the financial stresses and I don't know about you but are physically nicely situated. If I had 200k debt and no job or was 5'5/ugly/balding and no job it would be a no brainer--killself immediately. All that keeps me alive is knowing that if I ever do get a job, I will be ok.

A question for you all, would you rather:

Balding, 5'7 and biglaw (say upenn grad)
OR
6'2, full head of hair and jobless? (say IU-B grad)

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legallycorrupt (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:59 pm)

If I were a guy I would rather be balding, 5'7" and biglaw (if that was my sort of thing- which it isn't). You can always buy hair and I don't get the big deal about height with guys? I've dated short guys and it was never a big deal to me.

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:45 pm)

How tall are you? I've noticed, bizarrely enough, that the shorter the girl the taller they want you. I'm incredibly tall and the 5'-5'2" girls go after me while the 5'8" and taller tend to be uninterested...

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legallycorrupt (Nov 15, 2010 - 10:03 pm)

I'm probably 5'5ish"? That's why I don't really care about height. It would be weird for me to be with someone super tall.

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 6:47 pm)

so far, non of the people that have posted so far merit a killself.

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futuredocreviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:00 pm)

wow this is fun...
Rate me:
1. Econ undergrad Top public UCLA/UVA
2. ND/Emory/UIUC/GW , top 20% grades, class of '12
3. 1 NLJ250 offer.. Just interviewed with SEC.
4. Bar Shouldn't be a problem.
5. graduate with 5k debt.
7. average looks. slightly short 5'9 145. Asian.
8. 24
9. Short term asian gf. Avg/slightly above avg looking GF.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:03 pm)

A-. Would be an A+ if you we're White.

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futuredocreviewer (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:13 pm)

my old gf was asian tall and in med school.... that would have been an A+

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severian2 (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:04 pm)

futuredocreviewer, post a pic of your gf for beeyay.

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beeyay (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:33 pm)

Heh heh. I'd be happy to rate the Asian GF to assist in the grading.

5'9" is not short for an Asian guy. 145 is a little scrawny, though.

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:10 am)

A- if ND/Emory/UIUC/GW =/= ND
Get into shape, and that bumps up to an A.

B if ND/Emory/UIUC/GW = ND
In this case, getting into shape would drop you to a B-.

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:41 pm)

B+. If you were a white guy, you'd get extra credit for the Asian gf. But since you're Asian yourself, meh. OTOH, if you have something going on with a white chick on the side, we'll reconsider.

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borntodieonce (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:02 pm)

Rate my life


1. Undergraduate education- top 5 University.
2. Cancer research for two years- after undergrad.
3. Currently in medical school- no loans. My father is paying it cash.
4. No loans from undergraduate education.
5. Nice car, loft, and my beloved Macbook Pro.
6. 3,000 dollars deposited into my account on the 1st of each month- for personal expenses, food etc.
7. I am 6’0, athletic build (~170 pounds).
8. 26- years of age.
9. My parents are amazing- we are tight.
10. Brilliant friends, all across the country.
11. I am single.
12. I don't go to church.
13. Great mentors on the east and west coast.
14. I am good looking. Admittedly, medical school is taking its toll on my features. I used to be a 9... now I am a solid 8.
15. I am happy...but sometime I get bored.
16. I have women…but the one girl that I want (we dated seriously in college)- is playing the slow hand, as we re-introduce ourselves as older adults. It ended amicably. She is truly a class act. A certified 10- with respect to intelligence, humor, outlook, depth, and beauty. But she doesn’t act like a 10…she is so graceful with it. And she likes to pay for dinners, or a cab ride- intermittently. Have mercy. I am waiting patiently.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:04 pm)

TROLL ON!

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greenhorn (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:32 pm)

borntodieonce,

Fuck you

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:25 pm)

he's in med school and girl is rejecting him. Must have no game.

But yeah if real i'd say A++

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:37 pm)

Hmmm, hope things work out for you, but be careful. People who have everything too easy have a tendency to collapse when they finally do run into adversity.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:40 pm)

A+ if troll; A+ if truth.

Hell, if you were gay and asked me out, I'd hesitate to answer at first.

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borntodieonce (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:06 pm)

I am not a troll.

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Boomshakalaka (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:22 pm)

You're a worse troll than I am, bro.

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borntodieonce (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:23 pm)

I am not a troll- seriously. I got dealt a good hand, and I played accordingly.

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therewillbeblood (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:57 pm)

You got to know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em, know when to walk away, know when to run.

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12345arff (Nov 15, 2010 - 7:41 pm)

It sounds like everyone on this board is doing okay.

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foreverdestitute (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:15 pm)

This does sound fun.

1. Undergrad History - party school
2. TTT Law School - mediocre grades
3. Worthless LLM - tax
4. $160k in student loans
5. Passed bar on first attempt (2008)
6. Work for a small bankruptcy firm, $45-50k/yr.
7. average looks, 6'1 190, white male 29, but look younger
8. GF is one of my paralegals, hiding our relationship from the boss
9. Parents still pay car insurance and phone bill
10. Live in a mid-sized city, low cost of living

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:23 pm)

The 160k is brutal. You get a C/C+ depending on if there is any mobility in your firm or any chance to lateral into more $$$. If not, work until the government pays off your loans and enjoy life. Also depends on the woman.

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bigwags (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:45 pm)

Hard to give you an overall grade. If this was a high school report card, you'd have 3 A's (5,7,10) and 3 F's (1,2,4).

What's your current job mobility outlook?

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foreverdestitute (Nov 20, 2010 - 5:01 pm)

Mobility outlook is not good. Had an interview with a better firm that does bankruptcy, but didn't get the job (based off of years of experience, actually got a letter from the managing partner stating that, and the attorney they hired had about five years more experience than me, so I can respect that). I've had absolutely no luck with the LLM. Life would be much easier without that LLM debt, it's nearly a third of my entire debt. Right now I'm trying to decide whether to go solo or stay at my current shitlaw job.

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:28 pm)

Yikes! C. Debt blows.

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:45 pm)

D+. I don't see how you will ever erase that debt.

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jester (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:24 pm)

Forever,
Job + GF = B

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jester (Nov 15, 2010 - 8:44 pm)

1. Very skinny in highschool (6'2 130), got pushed around, low self esteem
2. Dont get along with family
3. Joined Marine Corps, buffed up (6'2 190)
4. T20 UG/ Econ
5. T2 law with honors
6. Top tax LLM
7. 200k loans
8. Passed bar but had to move in with parents in another state because I was unemployed
9. Failed bar in new state
10. parents live on a farm, so its an hour commute to my non-law job at $7.25/ hour
11.Got rejected from Jag because of antidepressants in college/law school
12. No GF, last 3 cheated on me
13. No real friends because I live on a farm
14. Last legal interview was 9 months ago
15. serious depression but no doctor because of no health insurance
16. Parents refuse to pay a damn thing
17. Lost most of my muscle weight- skinny once again

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:07 pm)

NYU or UF LLM? You should be doing better than you are with top grades and top tax LLM. Isn't the deal with JAG, that if you are one year distanced from taking anti deps, they give you a break? Can't you keep applying? And oh yea, better to be skinny than fat.

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cowgod (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:11 am)

Seriously. Since moving in with my dad, I've lost most of my muscle weight (not that I had like a TON of it or anything) and replaced it with fat.

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:29 pm)

Jesus Christ, Lord have mercy.

Move to Korea, default on loans, start new life under the sea.

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:28 pm)

Agreed. 200K is a hole you will never dig yourself out of. Run away. Send some money home each month ($50-100) to your parents and have them spend it on lottery tickets. Maybe you;ll get lucky.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:34 pm)

What do you all think the threshold is between possible and impossible to pay? Personally, I think once you hit 150k (I'm talking TTT/Law not MD) you're probably FFL. 200k is pretty fucking outrageous...How did you fuck up the OCI at UF/NYU knowing you would be so fucked?

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 7:51 pm)

For law, anything upper 5 to 6 figures and you're toast, unless you hit the BigLaw lottery. I think it is pretty much mathematically impossible to ever repay a 100K loan making 60K or less a year. Your only hope is: a) hit the numbers; b) inheritance; c) your SO really, REALLY loves you, has a great job, and is willing to help out.

Absent any of those three things, you are royally fucked by the law school/student loan syndicate swine.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 20, 2010 - 8:20 pm)

Don't forget IBR, tho. I wonder how much of this dude's debt is private?

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Diplolaw (Nov 20, 2010 - 9:57 pm)

true, it's the private loans that will be the chain around his neck. Still, even with IBR, you're looking at 25 years--and if you're income rises, then no 'free' lunch anymore. Debt just plain sucks, full-stop. It is a life breaker.

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PrincessShithead (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:02 pm)

1. Hot partner who lives upstairs from me, same building.
2. Building my own practice in area I enjoy, steady day job as staff doc reviewer making $32/hour.
3. In good shape, yoga, run marathons.
4. T1 graduate (2007), bottom quartile.
5. 88k debt, on IBR.
6. 34 years old.
7. Happy with life.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:08 pm)

Want another partner?

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pharmstudent (Nov 15, 2010 - 9:27 pm)

Depressing, you gave your life to law and it just took a big dump on you. 34 and 88k debt. I'd try to seal the deal with children or marriage before it's too late.

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PrincessShithead (Nov 16, 2010 - 7:41 am)

I'm not smart enough to feel depressed by my situation. Other than the debt (which is manageable), it's exactly what I want.

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karlfarbman (Dec 31, 2014 - 12:00 pm)

Have you considered India?

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serbexo (Jan 3, 2015 - 10:11 pm)

haha

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brooklynhollaback (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:55 am)

edit. decided against having my background posted on jdu.

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greenhorn (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:21 pm)

Brooklyn,

Do you really despise practicing law ? I thought you don't mind it and kinda like being solo. Do you regret leaving that legal recuiting firm to go solo ?

LOL If you do exit you should exit to run your future wife's dental practice ! Be a stay at home dad/office manager.

You coming to the JDU get-together this Friday ?

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brooklynhollaback (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:12 pm)

I can still go back to the recruiting firm. The owner likes me.

I might stop by the JDU get-together. Might have to go to a birthday dinner that night though.

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orgdonor (Nov 16, 2010 - 1:35 am)

I think the question here is what the rating mechanism is. So far, the grades don't seem to involve any moral calculus. For example, if you live with your parents, in my opinion, you would be, subjectively, hard pressed to rise above a C. Living with your parents as an adult (over 25) shows a lack of initiative in my book.

Under this rubric I actually lose respect for the medical school guy because of the whole "daddy pays" thing. It's just not masculine to get money from your father, in my opinion.

However, on a rating scale based on ruthless financial and/or academic success, living at home with parents is irrelevant. Likewise, financial resources from any source, including inheritance, can be considered and evaluated.

Thinking aloud, I guess the question is whether the ratings are objective, or whether subjective elements can be introduced. I would feel like a fag if I lived with my parents: but having parents pay loans and being 6'2" is awesome.

Graders need to qualify their grades with M/P for "Morality Play" or No M/P if there's no review on morality.

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pharmstudent (Nov 16, 2010 - 6:16 am)

F - I don't want to live
A+ - Life is great and I want to live

subjective. Don't have time to create tiers in income and other criteria.

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penisoid (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:53 am)

TTTsuicide: You get F for Failure.


OK, Ok, Pity D is your grade. You are underachiever without any direction. First finance ugrad You probably thought that you will be a big businessman. Think McKinsey type. But you didnt maje a cut since you have no drive. The you think Law School. Crappy school (Top 50, a joke LOL). and failed again. Now you have a bright idea of Naturopath school. LOL. At least you realized you are not making MD. 28 yo, live with parents and no job and mom and pop pay for loans. Just you know, live with them and dont cost them more money in tuition.

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penisoid (Nov 16, 2010 - 3:33 am)

Rate me
1. Science Ugrad from top state
2. Masters science from top School. Didnt finish (phinish) a PhD.
3. Average hair
4. 6-1, 260 lbs (LOL got fat, was in shape 210 lbs a year ago but let myself go due to moderate alcoholism).
5. Had GF (hot, 8-9/10), but we kinda separated and she left to big city. We might get back together, but I am thinking of anotherones now.
6. No parents / no relatives / no possible inheritance.
7. Work in Pharma. (paperwork). make >100K. The work is easy, usually watch baseball, other sports, read news and politics
8. Didnt get promotion last time. But on the other hand, that would be extra 2-3K a year and much more responsibilities. LOL NO THANKS!
9. Work schedule M - 8 h Tu - 10h W - 10h Th - 10h F - 6h
10. No loans, 120K in cash. Buying house soon.
11. 30 y.o.

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pharmstudent (Nov 16, 2010 - 6:23 am)

I want your life.

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TTTsuicide (Nov 16, 2010 - 7:28 am)

LOL. Most of that is pretty great, but you obviously have problems with food. 260 at your height is not 'fat', it is absolutely fucking obese. Your BMI is 33. You really should go on a diet. Lay off the simple carbs and sat fats and hit the gym, fatass.

You are mostly right though, I am a failure.

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butt_hair (Nov 16, 2010 - 7:34 am)

I would normally give your life a B+ but I find your previous posts to be very irritating so you get a C-.

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penisoid (Nov 16, 2010 - 3:11 pm)

I am also permabanned on TLS. I really did annoy them a lot.

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KarlFarbman (Nov 16, 2010 - 9:25 am)

You seem to have no connection to law at all. Why bother posting here?

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penisoid (Nov 16, 2010 - 3:08 pm)

Well I was really considering Law School. The problem is, I am surrounded by mental reatrds here. Its not even funny. I mean Its very sobering. So Iwas like I should go to LS, have fun as a student, get a job where I will work 40-45h and make 160K and also have a lot of parties. Then I decided to research application process a little bit and found sites like this. I got really sucked into all this educational scam thing. After all, on TLS I have more then 10K posts and Permaban. I have all the right to be here.!!!

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:26 pm)

B

So close

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Sedale (Nov 16, 2010 - 5:30 am)

1. Poli Sci (UCLA/UCB)
2. UC Law
3. Government job (100k/year, 10% matching, 66 paid days off a year, 830 to 430)
4. Failed bar multiples times before I passed.
5. Live alone with 100k in equity.
6. 15k loans left, 20k in the bank.
7. Normal looking
8. 30 y/o
9. All my hair.
10. Engaged to second tier med professional (opt, den, pharm).

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pharmstudent (Nov 16, 2010 - 6:22 am)

Your fiance is all 3?

I don't consider dentists to be 2nd tier at all, they are usually on equal standing or better than physicians.

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Sedale (Nov 16, 2010 - 6:25 am)

One of the three... She wants to open her own practice.

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tolietdegree (Nov 16, 2010 - 1:08 pm)

What was your point in mentioning all three?

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1. Poli Sci (UCLA/UCB) - F, absolutely useless degree.
2. UC Law - D, not T14
3. Government job (100k/year, 10% matching, 66 paid days off a year, 830 to 430) - A+, you make bank and have bennies.
4. Failed bar multiples times before I passed. - F, unaccepatable.
5. Live alone with 100k in equity. - A+,
6. 15k loans left, 20k in the bank. - B, not too bad
7. Normal looking - B
8. 30 y/o - A, you still have time to test careers, once you hit 40 it's too late b/c employers like to participate in age discrimination.
9. All my hair. - A+
10. Engaged to second tier med professional (opt, den, pharm). - A+, how much in student loans will she have?

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Sedale (Nov 16, 2010 - 1:28 pm)

1. I agree. Barely got into an ivy but not a good one so I went with my safety school and I suck at science and math so it was poli sci.
2. I agree. I don't like to tell people where I went to LS.
3. Job maxes out at 250k but very little chance I get to that point. Realistically looking at 160k at the most. I only heard of one person who was fired. The job is not at will. It's a huge hassle to fire someone and it better be a good reason. Not being a good lawyer is not a good reason. Luckily layoffs are unheard of (knock on wood).
4. I agree, luckily it's not public knowledge and my job didn't ask about it or for my grades.
5. Bought a house at the bottom or near bottom in 2009.
6. I can pay it off but I'm hoping for the gov act to kick in (fat chance). It's all gov and locked at 3%.
7. My finance is more attractive than me.
8. I'm in this for life. Benefits and hours too good. No such thing as age discrimination here. We have lawyers in their 70s and they can't be forced out. Some are still quite good.
9. Dad is fine but mom's side isn't. Crossing my fingers.
10. She's only a general practitioner and has a six figure debt which becomes my debt.

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futuredocreviewer (Nov 16, 2010 - 10:09 am)

A....
if younger or engaged to a doc i would say a+

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 12:29 pm)

A

I think we have a winner.

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greenhorn (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:21 pm)

Well here goes mine:

1.) BA History from respectable but not Ivy or American league private UG.
2.) JD from TTTT but I was top of my class (Magna grad) and worked about 30/hrs/week while in LS.
3.) Passed NY Bar on first try.
4.) Work for an established old school solo. Pay is about 55K + health and piece of business I bring in. Getting more and more side work.
5.) Admitted a little over 1 year. Learning a lot working for the solo in mutiple practice areas (Matrimonial, Real Estate, Commercial Litigation)
6.) 26, 27 y/o next week.
7.) Good shape, gym 4-5x's a week. 5,11 190lbs. Slightly receeding hairline. I guess average looking (but I think I'm ugly due to poor self-confidence)
8.)19K in LS debt. 15K in savings and stocks.
9.) Live at home with elderly father. He's pretty much ok, but does need help with certain things and the company not to get depressed. He butts into my life too much though.
10.) No g/f but dating around. Recently broke up with "C"....see Dating thread.
11.) Inhertitance around 1.2 mil...a good part of which I helped build (working for my father and renovating by my lonesome a shit house and other rental proeprties into substantial equity...feel bad even talking about this, but in the interest of full disclosure)
12.) Two cool boats...again renovated from junkyard to pristine condition. Run fishing charter biz to cover expenses.
13.) I like the law but my heart is not into it. Not sure if I can see myself practicing for 40 years...but who knows.

I'd rate my life at around a C/C- My dad is a significant cause of stress and I stuck around instead of going Navy OCS so I'm bitter about that. I'm his son though and since my mother passed its my duty to be a good son.

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jeremiahwright (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:34 pm)

For what its worth, I give you an A for standing by your old man.

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penisoid (Nov 16, 2010 - 3:19 pm)

B+. Having elderly parent sucks but you got a decent 55K job and still have time for gym.

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JazzOne (Nov 16, 2010 - 3:28 pm)

B+

Job kind of sucks, but you're in shape and have financial security through the inheritance. But you get a boost for being close to family and having some core values. Strong work ethic too. Could easily jump into the A- category with a stronger client base and a little more income.

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frugal_and_puzzled (Nov 20, 2010 - 9:00 pm)

Employed lawyer at age 26, with career on the upswing.
Responsible with money. ($15k savings via $55k job)
Family values. Work ethic. Not a spoiled fuck.
5'11" and in good shape.

This guy is a winner,
and is only going higher.

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skankhunt42 (Dec 18, 2018 - 4:24 pm)

26.5 BMI

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Porcupino (Nov 16, 2010 - 2:46 pm)

Yeah, and the restoring old houses and old boats is way cool. Not to mention an inheritance that you helped build. Way more than C overall.

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SHUIZ (Nov 16, 2010 - 6:54 pm)

For those considering teaching English overseas, it's not all bad. I did it before law school and, after working a shit-law gig for a few years after law school, landed a semi-law/English teaching related position at a university here in Japan based on language skills and previous contacts. I also do some legal translation work on the side.

My life:

State undergrad -- History.
Top 20 law school -- middle of the class.
Previous student debt approx. $70K -- paid.
Salary -- approx 120K.
Rental property in the U.S. -- paid.
Recently turned 40.
Wife and kids.
Work approx. 35~40 hours per week.
6' 175lbs. Gym 3~4 times per week. Very little hair.

Other than turning 40 recently, I have very little to complain about.

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penisoid (Nov 17, 2010 - 1:24 am)

Thats actually cool. Especially if work is low stress

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AJRESQ (Nov 16, 2010 - 9:33 pm)

I'm coming off a trial, so bear with me if I'm just being a jackoff... but trial is a SHITLOAD of prep. You have to prep your witnesses, expert witnesses, pour over deposition testimony, document productions, pleadings, etc.

If you're too lazy to prep to pass the bar, which isn't that much prep, what makes you think you have what it takes to prep for trial?

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Sedale (Nov 16, 2010 - 11:34 pm)

Sometimes it's hard to prep for trial when it's handed off to you five minutes before jury selection.

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GladIdidntgo (Nov 22, 2010 - 12:24 pm)

I must say after reading this site I am extremely happy I didn't go to LS. I was accepted to UMKC and the University of Kansas (geographic limitations) in 2006 but heard rumblings of Law going down the tubes. I used the acceptances as leverage to get a 5k raise (from 45k to 50k). Fast forward 4 years:

1. Accounting & MBA from State U satellite campus
2. Skipped LS and got CPA instead
3. Quit 85k job 4 months ago because I hated the woman I was working for... starting a new 85k job next week in the no income tax state (basically a 4% raise) where we just moved. Pension and 403(b), health insurance, dental, etc. Wife makes $46k.
4. CPA
5. Renting a 3 BR house for $900/mnth
6. Wife $250k in loans (medical resident) IBR hasn't started yet, me $15k at 2.5%
7. Wife says I'm good looking (guess that's all that matters)
8. 31
9. Physically: 6'3 200lbs pretty good shape. Starting to bald... thankfully wife's father is bald and she likes bald men.
10. Married to a hot latin woman

Wife will be able to moonlight next year and should be able to effectively double or triple her salary (if she wants to). She will be in a specialty where it is still feasible to own a private practice and take cash only patients even after healthcare reform... low salary $160k (academia) - high salary +$400k (private practice).

At any rate this post is kind of trolling "look at how great my life is" crap. But it also shows that putting the word out about the LS trap can help people. I would be in deep shit if I had gone to LS.

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shammer (Jan 1, 2015 - 12:46 pm)

Ok here goes
1. Top UC undergrad (STEM)
2. Top 50 LS top 10 in class
3. Had 150k in student loans dropped to 90k with loan repayment
4. Practiced 2 years in small law/boutique at 90k w/ bonuses
5. Quit law to join the Army. Got loan repayment went through OCS and 2 deployments
6. Got into military PA program currently being paid as an O3 to go to school. 6 years TIS. 4 more years till PSLF kicks in.
7. 5'8" 160. Boxing/lift weights/hike pretty good shape/younger looking
8. 32. Losing hair a little tapped out and Stathamed it. GF is about a 6 really cool though.

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shikes (Jan 1, 2015 - 5:15 pm)

Dude, my wife and I have over $400K in loans combined (yup, not a typo) and both work jobs paying mid-upper 5 figures that we hate. We still put away ~$2.5K/mo., take awesome vacations and do bunch of random fun stuff throughout the week. Life is what you make it, I give you a B.

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barnone (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:08 pm)

Here's mine:

1. Top public undergrad, bachelor's in business; military officer post-UG
2. T14 JD/MBA; admitted in CA
3. Non-equity partner in international law firm; income about $600K
4. Live in rented apartment in major international city; own a smaller one as income property
5. Married 8 years to an amazing, smart, and classy lady; two children
6. 6'0", 165 lbs, run and lift 3-4x week. Just turned 40(kinda sucks), thinning a bit but do have most of my hair, gen health good. Looks are more than adequate for life, but not envy-inspiring
7. Not thrilled with my job and current location (see other threads), but can't complain too much relative to others in this world

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shikes (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:15 pm)

At 600K per year I'd be looking to retire by 50 easily if not sooner. Wow.

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barnone (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:28 pm)

Not thinking about retiring ever, but I'd love to get enough of a nest egg that I can provide for my family's needs with passive income, and can then turn my attention to some other dreams of mine, like entrepreneurship, some philanthropy and maybe politics. I got a bit of a late start (and had huge debt), so I am not there yet.

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lionelhutz (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:33 pm)

$600k seems high for non-equity partner. Are you on an international expat package or is that really the going rate for non-equity these days? what is your location?

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barnone (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:42 pm)

I'm on a modified expat package, yes. Would prefer not to disclose the location.

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barnone (Jan 1, 2015 - 9:52 pm)

I should clarify by saying that there are (virtually) NO equity partners in my firm. The firm is owner-managed, and senior lawyers are rewarded with high comp, but no equity (and certainly no voice in management). This "black box" arrangement worked for a long time, but doesn't anymore. The firm is now in a bit of trouble and a lot of people are unhappy.

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lionelhutz (Jan 1, 2015 - 11:45 pm)

$600k is nice money for non-equity in any firm, of course if 150k of that is being chewed up by international schools for the kids and overpriced apartment rent, it doesn't provide the saving power it should. Plus this doesn't sound like long term earning power if the firm is shaky and the location isn't where you want to be. If the $600k was a stable revenue stream or you had special skills to help insure the continued ability to make that kind of money and "A" grade would be warranted, but I go with "B+" on the assumption you will land ok. Are you looking to get back to CA where you are admitted? The Bay Area market is really strong but the cost to live in a nice area and raise two kids is out of control.

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barnone (Jan 2, 2015 - 1:46 am)

You'd give me at least an A if you knew my wife! That aside, your intuition is mostly correct, as are most of your concerns.

The firm isn't exactly shaky in a Lehman Brothers or Brobeck sort of way, but the mid to long-term future is definitely cloudy, and unlikely to be as pleasant or pain-free as the past was. It's more a sense that I've done all I can here, I'm not learning anything new, and that it's time to move on. The fact that the US, and the West Coast especially, may be finally recovering is also a factor, though this matters a bit less than the personal considerations.

I do pay a high price for my kid's schooling (nowhere near $150k), but my rent is pretty reasonable and I get some good tax benefits here, so I generally do OK. Other items like gasoline, food, etc. are pricier than the US, and the selection of goods is much more limited, which I generally like because I think it discourages impulse consumption (at least for me, if not for my wife).

For personal/family reasons moreso than professional, I'd like to get to the Bay Area, yes. I understand the COL is pretty high there, but it's unlikely to be worse than here, and I'd imagine that most of your expenses go towards building home equity. The amount of recreation, especially outdoor recreation, is amazing and can't be beaten. I want my kids to experience that.

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gggg (Jan 2, 2015 - 11:56 pm)

Here is one from a 3L:

1. Economics BS from state school
2. T14
3. 160K Biglaw lined up
4. NY Bar have to take
5. 90k debt
6. Parents wealthy 5mm+ net worth but on a mission to spend it all before they die but will loan money for down payment on a house
7. 6 1 180 pretty good shape and GF is 5 6 115 a hard 9 and also has Biglaw lined up
8. 23

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lionelhutz (Jan 3, 2015 - 1:05 pm)

I think this is a situation for binomial grading - coming out of T14 with a biglaw offer/good clerkship is an A, everything else is a D. Not exactly a major achievement for a 23 year old to be in "good shape" - the trick is to maintain it while working Biglaw hours and eating Seamless every night. Live close to the office and workout every morning (you will never be able to regularly maintain an evening workout schedule). Given your age, you can stay in good shape for a long time with a little effort as long as its consistent and matched with good eating and drinking habits.

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trolleybus (Jan 3, 2015 - 3:39 pm)

Ok, I'll play:

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lionelhutz (Jan 3, 2015 - 9:36 pm)

A few questions --

1. Are you the "my friend's cousin makes $6000 per week part time using one weird trick on google" that I read so much about in various internet comments? exactly what kind of online business is this and what do you net from it v. from your in house gig?

2. How much home equity are you counting in net worth?

3. how are your joints holding up considering your height/weight? I would think aches and pains start to develop for someone this size around your age (I base this solely on the vet telling me to keep my dog light so it will be easier on her joints as she gets old, so obviously rock solid medical knowledge at play here).

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trolleybus (Jan 3, 2015 - 10:10 pm)

1. Legit niche field (i.e., not a sex cam), about 40-50% of my total income.

2. ~150K

3. OK, considering I spent the last 2-3 years mostly sitting on my ass so the joints haven't been tested. Hopefully won't be a problem as try to start exercising again. I played Div. II/III sports in college, so I am carrying some old back/leg/shoulder injuries but nothing major.

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lionelhutz (Jan 3, 2015 - 11:22 pm)

1. I would respect you more if it was a sex cam or other scheme. Do you see this business growing or staying stable? What about your in house gig?

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trolleybus (Jan 3, 2015 - 11:53 pm)

Pimping aint easy, so who knows.

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afring (Jan 6, 2015 - 7:44 pm)

This thread makes me sad.

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