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https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/View Details/495347400 I th downwardslope04/02/18
You are correct and will be applying kramer71604/03/18
Strange. This doesn't pop up in search. Is it hidden from th silvere204/02/18
It actually is an option, but that one was just from the sea downwardslope04/03/18
Those cities are really cold. t3success04/03/18
And GS-11 or 12 does not go very far in Mpls. Good for a ne walterscrewedme04/04/18
You can start working overtime pretty quickly and it is avai downwardslope04/04/18
Can you WFH? Having to work and commute to downtown mpls and walterscrewedme04/05/18
After a year it is 3 days a week. downwardslope04/05/18
Downwardslope, yes, I am applying again. It seems even more mch9804/06/18
I applied as well. I didn't buy the whole only posting on la kramer71604/06/18
SSA sounds much better than the VA. It appears the VA is a clocker104/07/18
What are the experiences of current SSA attorney/advisors? H lawst04/08/18
I am wondering this too. The Falls Church office just releas sarah890104/08/18
Where’d you see that? govlaw04/08/18
Probably an internal posting, but if that internal posting i kramer71604/09/18
OFFICE OF HEARING OPERATIONS NATIONAL CASE ASSISTANCE CENTE hopelesslyunemployed04/10/18
I note the opening period hasn't started yet, per the postin silvere204/10/18
It's on job board from my law school, so I think it's not a sarah890104/09/18
I enjoy it. What do you want to know? izzymandelbaum04/08/18
I kind of want to know if gossip about non-attorney managers sarah890104/09/18
You need to provide a little more information on the job pos govlaw04/09/18
IT's something called "Office of Hearings Operations, Nation sarah890104/10/18
That’s a decision writer posting. This would not be with t izzymandelbaum04/10/18
izzymandelbaum Do you work as an SSA decision writer? I'm mch9804/11/18
No. I work for the Appeals Council. Decision writers do have izzymandelbaum04/11/18
Izzy pretty sure my kid works with you not that you would kn roadkingrider04/11/18
It is a fine job... not super challenging. The quota is mana downwardslope04/12/18
Why do you think NCACs are the hardest? karma04/14/18
The job is quota based. In a hearing office you can usually downwardslope04/15/18
What are you supposed to do if you don't understand the judg mch9804/19/18
accidental double post karma04/14/18
You guys have law degrees and want to use them. I understand walkingparadox04/11/18
I'm in the ATL region where they apparently apply veteran's cratercity04/12/18
Has anyone heard back on the SSA decision writer jobs? mch9804/14/18
Just received the referral notice for the SSA jobs that were kramer71604/19/18
I got a referral to Milwaukee. It was the only one I applied mch9804/19/18
Good luck. Let me know if you hear anything about an intervi kramer71604/19/18
Will do. I also applied for the Chicago postings. mch9804/19/18
Kramer, I have not been contacted for an interview yet. Have mch9804/23/18
Nope not yet. I would still give them a week or two, but the kramer71604/23/18
I think you were interested in the south? There are a ton p mch9804/23/18
I will apply to them all. It's been a while so correct me, b kramer71604/23/18
I think mch98 was applying to the Chicago area ones last tim downwardslope04/24/18
Yes, that is correct and I am not a Michigan State alum:) T mch9804/24/18
Apologies. This wasn't the law school ad. This was the open kramer71604/19/18
Same. Referred for all 4. Nothing but radio silence for the silvere204/19/18
Is there a way of getting new posts on this board emailed or mch9804/19/18
A ton of postings today all over. Writing sample required. G lawrunner31704/23/18
Referred and silence on my end as well. mtbislife04/24/18
Got a referral to the national or regional hearing center in mch9804/25/18
Congratulations. I don't think I applied for that one, but c kramer71604/25/18
How hard is it to hit the quota in these jobs? dcm198304/25/18
quota is not hard once you know the law and get some experie hopelesslyunemployed04/25/18
Referred for Chicagoland positions. mch9804/27/18
I received a "tentatively eligible for this series/grade com cratercity04/30/18
I received those as well. I have no clue how that works, but kramer71604/30/18
I received an email from the Minneapolis office asking if I kramer71605/01/18
Same lawrunner31705/01/18
Why would you have applied for a job if you weren't interest mch9805/01/18
It's the mythology of the federal hiring process. You gotta kramer71605/02/18
It has been a month since the position opened. Circumstances downwardslope05/02/18
Excellent points. kramer71605/02/18
True. They have to get interview panels together so I guess mch9805/02/18
Referred for the openings in Dover. No interviews yet. kramer71605/03/18
I think Dover might be a good place to live. mch9805/03/18
Very nice cliffs there:) kramer71605/03/18
Have an interview with the Akron office. I think this came a kramer71605/03/18
Good luck. Is it by phone? mch9805/03/18
Yep. Phone interview kramer71605/03/18
Good luck! Is Akron a place you’d like to live? downwardslope05/03/18
I wouldn't mind it. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I wi kramer71605/03/18
Are they using vet preference there? downwardslope05/03/18
They are. I was rejected as well, email stated they pulled o silvere205/03/18
Sorry. Double post kramer71605/03/18
Applied for Attorney Advisor. Received a "tentively eligible compassion05/04/18
It's not a bad sign, but wouldn't put too much stock into th kramer71605/04/18
Out of curiosity what office did you get that in? Or was it cratercity05/05/18
I received a ton of them. As for which offices, they only gi kramer71605/06/18
Oh trust me not getting my hopes up at all lol just glad I h cratercity05/06/18
No worries. Good luck. kramer71605/06/18
Thanks, same to you. compassion05/04/18
I was just called for an interview with the Mt. Pleasant off kramer71605/04/18
Thanks for the information! Did it seem like it was from th mch9805/04/18
The Akron interview came about via email, and he is the head kramer71605/04/18
Good luck at the interview! cratercity05/04/18
No interview calls on Chicagoland or Milwaukee yet. mch9805/04/18
Just to give some further information on the interviews. For kramer71605/06/18
That is interesting. I don't think there was a writing test jd198805/06/18
Thanks for the information. i wasn't expecting a writing tes mch9805/06/18
Two quick things. 1. Both of my referrals were as a resu kramer71605/07/18
According to USAJobs, Akron only had 4 posts and Mt. Pleasan downwardslope05/07/18
You are correct. Forgot they listed the number of openings. kramer71605/07/18
The timeframes often limit who can start. If they have to st downwardslope05/07/18
It sounds like June 1st is their projected start date. They kramer71605/07/18
That does sound like a lot of interview panels to have to ge mch9805/07/18
Did you do the regional office interview last year, mch98? I downwardslope05/07/18
I'm not sure. I think they were hiring for a few offices inc mch9805/07/18
Nothing is happening in my office as far as I can tell. I ha downwardslope05/08/18
Thanks for the information. Any updates are appreciated! mch9805/08/18
For this one, it was all local people. Tomorrow may be regio kramer71605/07/18
Good luck! The writing test is tomorrow too? mch9805/07/18
It was. I also was called about an interview with the Evansv kramer71605/08/18
How did the interview and the writing test go? Good luck wi mch9805/08/18
Interview went well. I think the interview with Akron went b kramer71605/08/18
Just had the interview. Google glassdoor Social Security Att kramer71605/07/18
Thanks for the information. Really helpful to know. I really mch9805/07/18
Has anyone heard anything from that internal Falls Church po silvere205/07/18
Received an interview invite for the Minneapolis office toda silvere205/10/18
Nice! Minneapolis would be awesome. How did they notify you? kramer71605/10/18
Thank you! Notification was by email. I've never been to Min silvere205/10/18
It's a great city. I used to go there on business. When are mch9805/10/18
I'm scheduled for next week. No idea re: writing test flexib silvere205/10/18
Regarding scheduling the writing test, I think they prefer t kramer71605/10/18
Got a call for Chicagoland openings. They are interviewing n mch9805/10/18
Great news, good luck! silvere205/10/18
Good luck. Hope you get it. kramer71605/10/18
For those of you currently at the SSA: has there been any di silvere205/11/18
They are piloting 4 days, but at the same time a lot of agen downwardslope05/11/18
Thanks for the insight! silvere205/11/18
I sort of wish they'd cut back on telework. Decision writing lawst05/12/18
Employees have the option to telework or not. I don't think john0905/12/18
I got an e-mail for a writing test for an office in Alabama. favorandgrace05/11/18
I received an email saying I was referred to Chicago a few w mch9805/11/18
Ohh OK, I see. I remember Chicago being a part of a job post favorandgrace05/11/18
Also received a referral email prior to interview invite. silvere205/11/18
Ohh OK, I see. I remember Chicago being a part of a job post favorandgrace05/11/18
From the posting: Positions will be filled in the followi mch9805/11/18
Oh ok, thanks! I must have missed this one. favorandgrace05/11/18
Which Alabama office did you receive an email from? newkid50405/11/18
Florence favorandgrace05/11/18
Did Harrisburg call you or email you? I was referred there l kramer71605/11/18
They called me to schedule an interview and followed up with favorandgrace05/11/18
Very cool. I wouldn't have minded Harrisburg but looks like kramer71605/11/18
Received my second round of rejections, it was for offices o kramer71605/11/18
Ditto! Found tentatively eligible for GS-12 but not referred favorandgrace05/11/18
They will probably call in a month or two to see if you are kramer71605/11/18
Just received a call from the Indianapolis office. I wouldn' kramer71605/14/18
nice! I didn't even apply for that city. I applied for all t favorandgrace05/14/18
Apologies, yes it is for an interview. I cannot remember how kramer71605/14/18
I got a call for an in person interview at Chicago NHC. Tues mch9805/16/18
Anyone hear from the TN postings yet? mtbislife05/14/18
Nope not here. cratercity05/14/18
Nope not yet. favorandgrace05/15/18
Not a TN posting but another position in Kentucky that is so cratercity05/16/18
Anyone apply to the OGC openings that closed in early May? A calistasun123405/15/18
I applied and haven't heard anything back. Would loveeeee to favorandgrace05/15/18
Applied and haven't heard anything. mch9805/16/18
I applied and have heard nothing. These may not move until a downwardslope05/16/18
Hmm interesting. I wonder how they are grading that writing favorandgrace05/16/18
Also so some people may likely be in the position of getting favorandgrace05/16/18
There is a requirement in the Feds that your old unit has to downwardslope05/16/18
Oh wow... I didn't know that. Dang that sucks... There are e favorandgrace05/16/18
Ok so I did some research and dug this up: §330.502 Gene favorandgrace05/16/18
The main issue here is that I think the OHO positions are te downwardslope05/16/18
Any idea as to what to expect in the event I get to a writin cratercity05/16/18
Speaking generally, you will get it emailed to you and you w kramer71605/17/18
I had an interview today and did not know this going in, but kramer71605/17/18
Good luck!!! Did they give you a time frame? mch9805/17/18
Same kind of questions? mch9805/17/18
Have you done yours yet? I think Chicagoland and Wisconsin w downwardslope05/17/18
I never got a call on Milwaukee but I have interviews schedu mch9805/17/18
Best of luck. I think among all the offices they have to hir downwardslope05/17/18
The NHC in Falls Church? Was that interview invite from the silvere205/17/18
No worries. Chicago. mch9805/17/18
Are you interested in both the NHC and NCAC in Falls Church? sarah890105/24/18
No, I'm not on the East Coast. Good luck with the interview. mch9805/24/18
Yeah the questions have been pretty similar across the board kramer71605/17/18
That sounds easy. I would rather just have a writing test fo mch9805/17/18
No, but I am assuming early June. They open with the same qu kramer71605/17/18
I'll ask mch9805/17/18
Mid June. mch9805/18/18
Nice. How was the interview for ya kramer71605/18/18
I'm not sure but they were really nice. mch9805/18/18
I was told mid June for one of the Southeast offices. silvere205/17/18
This would make sense at this point. They probably need some kramer71605/17/18
Just got a call to interview with Grand Rapids. Good dude. I kramer71605/17/18
That's great! Was it an ALJ? mch9805/17/18
Has anyone heard from offices where the announcements closed newkid50405/17/18
I was referred for some of those offices but beyond that, no silvere205/17/18
are you talking about the email, stating you are tentatively newkid50405/17/18
Referred. My USAJobs status doesn't show referred for these silvere205/17/18
Jacksonville, Florida? jaxlaw05/17/18
Any word on Jacksonville, Florida. Since I applied it’s be jaxlaw05/17/18
Not a peep. compassion05/17/18
I have it on good authority they haven’t gotten to Jax yet jaxlaw05/18/18
Any word on when they're expecting start dates for FL? Seems floridalawa05/20/18
Hypothetically if you get a job that isn’t your first choi cratercity05/18/18
I am wondering this too. I seem to have overlooked a USAjobs floridalawa05/20/18
Apparently as these are considered non competitive since the cratercity05/21/18
Normally it is not hard, but since they are hiring only term downwardslope05/21/18
Just an FYI they posted another round of openings. I only lo kramer71605/18/18
Nicee and they are all closing in only a couple days. I'll b favorandgrace05/18/18
Scheduled two interviews today for a total of 3 SSA intervie favorandgrace05/18/18
Congrats, which offices? kramer71605/18/18
Thank you! Offices in Alabama, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania. favorandgrace05/18/18
Which ones in Kentucky if you're comfortable in answering th cratercity05/19/18
Applied for a ODAR local office which had only advertised in whipster05/18/18
I would assume that it just didnt publish to usajobs when it govlaw05/18/18
Scheduled to take the writing test. Has anyone further along mch9805/21/18
No references checked for me yet (though I've given referenc silvere205/21/18
Same. kramer71605/21/18
I received another referral email. I was not referred for Co kramer71605/22/18
Yikes. That would be very cold in the winter. mch9805/22/18
Agreed. Of those I was really hoping for Colorado Springs, b kramer71605/22/18
Was also referred for Fargo but not the others. For some rea favorandgrace05/22/18
Same -- referred for Fargo, not the other offices. The wordi silvere205/22/18
I think I got one of those and then a few days later got a r mch9805/23/18
References being checked cratercity05/23/18
Good luck to you and I hope you get the position. Very cool. kramer71605/23/18
No I’m not certain as of yet. I’m in court and just got cratercity05/23/18
That would make sense, but haven't heard anything official. kramer71605/23/18
I hope this isn't the case. Don't they usually make offers t silvere205/23/18
Any word with regard to the late April vacancy announcements newkid50405/23/18
Do you remember which offices? I would find the contact pers kramer71605/23/18
I applied to all of the Florida offices, the Mobile and Birm newkid50405/23/18
Gotcha. I have been contacted for a few interviews, but they kramer71605/23/18
Just to keep everyone in the loop. I received a phone call a kramer71605/23/18
CONGRATULATIONS KRAMER!!! mch9805/23/18
Congrats on being hired and on GS-12! I was expecting they w floridalawa05/23/18
Kramer, congrats man. I know you've been chasing this dream silvere205/23/18
Congratulations!!!! Go pop some bubbly. newkid50405/23/18
Congrats Kramer!!! We've been pulling for you! blackholelaw05/24/18
My man, congrats! Hopefully if they offer the rest of us the cratercity05/23/18
I appreciate it. I wish I could give you some rationale as t kramer71605/23/18
Those jobs were posted at GS-11 and GS-12. The NHC was GS-11 mch9805/23/18
They are all mixed in my head at this point. Take GS-9 out o kramer71605/23/18
No, it was posted at that level. Mount Pleasant doesn't seem mch9805/23/18
No worries. This is true. I wouldn't mind Mt. Pleasant. Will kramer71605/23/18
Congrats Kramer! I’ve been quietly pulling for you all th lawrunner31705/23/18
Sadly it has been months and years:) I appreciate the well w kramer71605/23/18
Congrats Kramer! Now if you could send those interview quest whipster05/23/18
Congrats Kramer ;) compassion05/23/18
Thank you. The well wishes are appreciated. kramer71605/24/18
Congrats Kramer!! favorandgrace05/24/18
Thank you kramer71605/24/18
Kramer, Did your offer come from HR or from someone at the H mch9805/24/18
My offer came from HR. It was from the main office in Chicag kramer71605/24/18
It is extremely fast. It took me like 4 days I think from wh downwardslope05/24/18
Oh, I thought yesterday you reported the start date is 6/11. mch9805/24/18
Apologies. I was told June 11th. I heard from a different of kramer71605/24/18
I got a request for references today from one of the offices favorandgrace05/24/18
Good luck to you. I still am trying to figure out if my refe kramer71605/24/18
Thank you! But how does training work? All the cities train favorandgrace05/24/18
There is a local (immediate) and national training. The nati downwardslope05/24/18
I was told the first two weeks are in the office and then th mch9805/24/18
You took the writing test first before the interview? That mch9805/24/18
For one particular city, I took the writing test first, wait favorandgrace05/24/18
You had to take multiple tests??? Was it the same test? mch9805/24/18
I only took the one writing test. I think if you hear someth kramer71605/24/18
No, that's not right. I interviewed in two regions and once karma05/24/18
Hopefully everyone just takes it once and they have some way downwardslope05/24/18
Fair enough. Wasn't sure if the SSA had one writing test to kramer71605/24/18
Has anyone interviewed for the oho position in Baltimore? An pam14505/26/18
I haven't. They were calling some of my references between T cratercity05/26/18
Interesting. I heard they are hiring from July to August. Di pam14505/26/18
Yes, I did two interviews and two writing samples. Both same cratercity05/26/18
Congrats to you as well. I didn’t get a confirmation from pam14505/26/18
Yes, they sent a form email saying that they had received th cratercity05/26/18
Ok they had me do the Interview first, then the writing samp pam14505/26/18
I did not .. mine were all in the Atlanta region. cratercity05/26/18
Downward Slope, I was wondering if you could contact me at mch9805/27/18
Sent. downwardslope05/27/18
hey group-first time poster, but following this thread. have lawyermom105/27/18
Are you interviewing for the NCAC or Appeals Council positio john0905/27/18
NCAC. lawyermom105/28/18
How did it go? I interviewed on Wednesday. sarah890106/03/18
FYI, per Trump's executive order, federal agencies can no lo john0905/30/18
That's a good reminder, but maybe more applicable to the BVA karma05/31/18
Has anyone interviewed for the oho position in Baltimore Mar pam14505/31/18
I heard Chicagoland SSA offices sent out written references mch9805/31/18
Received my first denial for Region IV: Raleigh, North Carol newkid50406/04/18
Same. Raleigh only referred Vets. favorandgrace06/04/18
Same. Any other new intel from Region IV? fish6706/04/18
Also, does anyone know if the Baltimore or Falls Church Appe fish6706/04/18
just got an email from SSA saying that there are going to do lawyermom106/07/18
I had my interview last week-panel interview and writing tes lawyermom106/04/18
@lawyermom1 - Was your call from SSA HR re: the posting of 3 chilawtodc06/05/18
My call was SSA HR in Chicago. I had left a VM for someone a lawyermom106/06/18
I was also referred for both Baltimore and Falls Church Appe fish6706/06/18
@lawyermom1 - good luck! @fish67 - My friend also still ha chilawtodc06/07/18
hearing interviews are next week for the appeals council hopelesslyunemployed06/07/18
How challenging is it to write two favorable decisions a day newkid50406/04/18
pages are usually around 10+ however to my understanding its cratercity06/04/18
my references are being checked. anyone know if that is a si lawyermom106/06/18
I also applied for the Arlington OMHA position. Nothing sinc fish6706/06/18
Depends on the office that is hiring. The hiring manager is cratercity06/07/18
thanks for the quick response! appreciate the insight. lawyermom106/07/18
no problem. how many/ what offices did you apply to? I only cratercity06/07/18
I applied to a few TN and other SE postings and have heard n fish6706/07/18
I didn't interview in TN. Only in Kentucky and West Virginia cratercity06/07/18
Thanks, and good luck. fish6706/07/18
I start with the Mt. Pleasant office on Monday, so hopefully kramer71606/07/18
Kramer, how long between the interview, reference check and lawyermom106/07/18
No worries. The interview was May 8th. I had no idea when th kramer71606/07/18
Thanks for the quick response! Congratulations! I agree on t lawyermom106/07/18
so Kramer, how is the gig? blackholelaw07/19/18
I accepted an offer at a NHC. It was extremely quick but the jd198806/07/18
Congratulations. jinomas06/08/18
Got and accepted offer in balt pam14506/07/18
Congratulations. jinomas06/08/18
Did anyone else get the email from OAO in Falls Church and B favorandgrace06/08/18
I got the same email. From what I can gather, I don’t thin fish6706/08/18
No, they won't start you at GS-12. At management discretion jinomas06/08/18
The OAO positions are part of the next level of administrati jinomas06/08/18
i got that email as well. lawyermom106/09/18
Different offices give different overtime amounts. From wha hopelesslyunemployed06/09/18
What is the OT rate? Thanks. jd198806/09/18
depends on your hourly salary (time and a half based on your hopelesslyunemployed06/09/18
Is it just a higher grade attorney that does court case prep newkid50406/09/18
There are different branches at the appeals council that you hopelesslyunemployed06/09/18
For those of you who've accepted, were you given a link to e karma06/08/18
Yes. It took me like 8 months to finish the process, but I d downwardslope06/08/18
Thanks. Were you interviewed specifically for the background karma06/09/18
It was extremely fast. The day after I was fingerprinted, I jd198806/08/18
How have you guys handled being asked to take the writing te jdthrowaway1206/09/18
Just tell the other office that you already submitted an ans kramer71606/12/18
Has anyone been contacted yet who applied to any of the Flor floridalawa06/11/18
No word from FL yet here. mtbislife06/12/18
Regarding the TN openings, no clue about the rest of them bu kramer71606/12/18
Didn’t you start already? How is it going? It sounds like downwardslope06/12/18
Just finished the second day and so far so good. It does see kramer71606/12/18
Yes, Kramer, how is it going? I'm not sure if I shared this, mch9806/12/18
Congratulations. I sent you an email. Do you have to move to kramer71606/12/18
Got a referral for OGC the other day. Really hoping for an i purplemarker106/13/18
Good luck. I was not referred to that because it said I didn jd198806/13/18
The proof of bar admission requirement was written kind of s jinomas06/13/18
I took a photo of my attorney registration card, which was s mch9806/13/18
Received a tentative offer for the Falls Church NCAC yesterd jdthrowaway1206/14/18
Congrats. When is your start date? jd198806/14/18
Thanks! No start date yet, maybe after I return my onboardin jdthrowaway1206/14/18
That's interesting. My start date was in my offer. jd198806/15/18
That's wonderful! Congrats! lawandorder06/15/18
me too! Very excited! I also did not receive a start date in lawyermom106/15/18
Congrats! They are training through September so they may b jd198806/15/18
Congrats to you too! Hopefully they turn around with the fir jdthrowaway1206/16/18
I received mine the day after fingerprinting, but they may b jd198806/16/18
Congratulations everyone! @lawyermom1 - are you going to wa chilawtodc06/17/18
I would very much like to receive an offer from OAO, but my lawyermom106/19/18
I just noticed that there is what I believe is this post abo kelsen106/15/18
If you don't try, you won't get it. mch9806/15/18
You are totally correct!! kelsen106/15/18
I was called for an interview for a 2 position opening, so h whipster06/16/18
I interviewed for two different hearing offices and only too startupesq06/17/18
For those who got a "not referred" stay encouraged. I got a nubiansage06/17/18
Congrats on the offer, whether or not you decide to accept i floridalawa06/17/18
Greetings, I had my interview in Falls Church last week a hopefulesq7106/19/18
I was able to get a GS 12 by showing a very old SP 50 showin jd198806/19/18
If you can show a SF-50 then they will do that for you. they lawyermom106/19/18
Maybe this is obvious to everyone else but what is one to do cratercity06/17/18
That happened to someone I know. Was working in public inte floridalawa06/18/18
cratecity, I am also in private practice and have active hopefulesq7106/19/18
Anyone advancing with Chattanooga? mtbislife06/18/18
Greetings, Does SSA offer loan repayment plan? If so, ho hopefulesq7106/19/18
No. Qualifies for PSLF, though. govlaw06/19/18
Thanks govlaw. My previous agency offered loan repayment pla hopefulesq7106/19/18
I don't know if this was asked about, but if you take a deci chasman3306/19/18
My understanding is that if you accept a position at SSA at govlaw06/19/18
Thanks, govlaw. So, the first GS grade I start with, whether chasman3306/19/18
Two things. First, the way I was told of my start date is I kramer71606/19/18
Thanks for all the helpful info. Good to hear that start dat floridalawa06/19/18
I'd like to know the answers to most of your questions, but jd198806/19/18
At HQ, training for 5-6 weeks was on a fixed schedule, then govlaw06/19/18
I don't think they require a form for doing 4 10 hour days p kramer71606/19/18
What about the annual attorney license? I assume we have to jd198806/19/18
You are responsible for Bar dues. govlaw06/19/18
thanks for clearing that up! What's the timeline for going floridalawa06/19/18
No. Gs-12 is automatic after 1 year, non competitive. After govlaw06/19/18
got it. thanks! floridalawa06/20/18
Yes, you can negotiate the GS level. There are a couple of p downwardslope06/19/18
FWIW, I heard about someone in HQ who was using credit hours govlaw06/19/18
thanks, downwardslope! floridalawa06/20/18
I got a couple of T.O.s (yay), unfortunately, they came in cratercity06/21/18
I would see if you can negotiate, particularly if it was ful downwardslope06/21/18
Congrats cratercity! How long past your interview did the of floridalawa06/21/18
About a month. Who do I need to contact? The Hiring Office s cratercity06/21/18
Interesting. I interviewed this Monday and they seem to be floridalawa06/21/18
It depends on the Region, some are slower than others. The h cratercity06/21/18
Congratulations on the offer! kramer71606/21/18
Thanks Kramer. I’m getting kind of frustrated - not to men cratercity06/24/18
I am from the school of thought that HR is in charge and the kramer71606/24/18
Ugh, cratercity, GS-9 is rough. I assume that your TOs are f fish6706/25/18
Does anyone know when offers will go out for falls church hq abc12306/25/18
The NCAC? If you scroll up you'll see that both I and anothe jdthrowaway1206/25/18
Has anyone heard from OAO after their interview? Also, has a lawyermom106/25/18
I haven’t heard anything at all from OAO since the intervi fish6706/25/18
Thanks for the quick reply! I may reach out to the contact i lawyermom106/26/18
Congrats re NCAC! I was curious about OAO though. Lawyermom1 abc12306/26/18
I haven't heard back from the Falls Church/ Baltimore OAO ye favorandgrace06/26/18
Got referred for a couple of Alabama hearing offices. Also g favorandgrace06/26/18
Referred as in a USAjobs status update, or did they email yo floridalawa06/26/18
Got referral e-mails from opmstaffing.usajobs.gov. favorandgrace06/26/18
One thing I don't believe I mentioned. I think either I said kramer71606/30/18
Word is they are hiring like 4 or 5 hundred new decision wri hopelesslyunemployed07/01/18
For terms or permanent ? underemployedlawyer07/02/18
The positions have been a variety of terms and permanent, bu downwardslope07/02/18
Do they tend to rehire termed people? If not where do People underemployedlawyer07/02/18
They can convert you to permanent in the decision writer job hopelesslyunemployed07/02/18
Thanks! underemployedlawyer07/02/18
Has anyone successfully changed their EOD date? They gave me lawyermom107/03/18
I've had some flexibility but it's because HR is backed up a cratercity07/03/18
What is the difference between a 4 year term appointment, an favorandgrace07/03/18
Seven interviews, wow good luck! mtbislife07/03/18
From my understanding, permanent employees, obviously enjoy cratercity07/03/18
The main differences between the term and the permanent are downwardslope07/03/18
Anyone hear from OAO yet? Also, Falls Church and Baltimore j lawyermom107/05/18
I haven't heard anything since my interview. favorandgrace07/05/18
just heard back from OAO today and got an offer! I had to de lawyermom107/05/18
Cool. They tell you when you start? Maybe I’ll be training izzymandelbaum07/05/18
No, but I emailed the HR representative. In the initial emai lawyermom107/06/18
izzymandelbaum, can I email you privately with questions? my lawyermom107/09/18
Emailed you. izzymandelbaum07/09/18
izzymandelbaum, i apologize! the correct email is lawyermomd lawyermom107/09/18
Email me. [email protected] izzymandelbaum07/10/18
Did you receive the offer by email or phone? And for which o readyforachange70607/06/18
I received an email offer for Falls Church. I never heard fr lawyermom107/09/18
Can anyone give insight on the background check for these AA favorandgrace07/05/18
The background check process is slow. It took me about 8 mon downwardslope07/05/18
so they do another background check after they hire you? cratercity07/05/18
There is the fingerprints, which usually takes downwardslope07/05/18
I think i'm missing part of your response lol sorry! cratercity07/05/18
Dang- somehow it got deleted. I am not sure what happened. downwardslope07/05/18
Thanks for your response! So what happens if they cannot con favorandgrace07/05/18
I think the investigator will call you if there is a problem downwardslope07/05/18
Is the equip form SF85, SF85P or SF86? How long do you have miked123407/15/18
Anyone get an interview for the ogc counsel position in md?? pam14507/06/18
Didnt this position like just close? Like a couple weeks ago favorandgrace07/06/18
There were two sets. There was one set of OGC positions that downwardslope07/06/18
oh ok gotcha! thanks for the info favorandgrace07/06/18
Does anyone know how quickly you can start working overtime favorandgrace07/06/18
They could always change the rules, but at OAO you had to be govlaw07/06/18
Can one begin flex schedules right away, such as four 10 hou floridalawa07/06/18
You can start doing credit hours after a couple months. At m govlaw07/06/18
I am in a hearing office and we could do credit immediately. downwardslope07/06/18
For the ncac, I think you need to be off review to work ot a hopelesslyunemployed07/07/18
Has anyone heard anything for the Orlando area? compassion07/10/18
Last week I received an email from Shreveport OHO to schedul regallegal1707/11/18
I also received the same email...I know the announcement was jayrock201507/12/18
People applying from within the agency are still required to downwardslope07/12/18
Has anyone heard anything from the OKC posting? I interviewe jayrock201507/12/18
I have not. Anyone in the process with the Billings, MT offi mtbislife07/13/18
Random question for the new starts, and I realize this may v floridalawa07/19/18
OAO Falls Church is cubicles - the tall kind with an opening govlaw07/19/18
It depends on the office, but at this point most offices are downwardslope07/19/18
My office informed me that all the new hires will have their favorandgrace07/19/18
All of them SSA positions? I was late for the posting so I'm kelsen107/19/18
Yes they were all SSA positions. Good luck on your job searc favorandgrace07/19/18
Congrats! favorandgrace on your new job! If you don't mind m jayrock201507/19/18
This was the very first interview I did (and I thought I bom favorandgrace07/19/18
Thanks for the update on the thread! Well, it appears there jayrock201507/19/18
Hi all. I recently received an offer for Attorney Advis catwoman33307/24/18
Catwoman, I can't speak to #2 but as for your first quest floridalawa07/26/18
I declined an offer in Woodlawn Md, but accepted an offer in govlaw07/27/18
Probably beating a dead horse at this point but has anyone s purplemarker107/25/18
I know a lot of people who applied but no one has heard a pe downwardslope07/25/18
I interviewed on June 14th and took the test on the 15th and hopefulesq7108/08/18
There was a test for the OGC positions? downwardslope08/08/18
Does anyone know when national training is going to be? newkid50407/25/18
Can anyone share the typical ratio of judges to attorney adv floridalawa08/07/18
Has anyone in the DC area received a start date from either lawandorder08/07/18
Did you receive a TO? If so, which closing date? Thanks! P.s attnyapp08/11/18
Does anyone know if selections have begun for the Falls Chur attnyapp08/11/18
So, how do the new SSA AAs like the job so far? newkid50408/12/18
It's been pretty good for me. We are in training and we are favorandgrace08/13/18
According to the GS in my office, she stated we can begin wo newkid50408/14/18
That is not true. You should be able to start working OT onc downwardslope08/14/18
Do the new hires in your respective offices have offices or cratercity08/19/18
I have an office along with my coworkers who recently got hi favorandgrace08/20/18
Hi all, Just wanted to give an update. I will be starting jayrock201508/22/18
Hi all, Just wanted to give an update. I will be starting jayrock201508/22/18
Congrats Jay Rock!! Thanks for the update. attnyapp08/22/18
Thanks attnyapp! jayrock201508/22/18
Falls Church SSA Attorney-advisor posting that closed on Jul fedjob08/24/18
I've heard a lot of negative things about being a term decis crazylady08/28/18
I'm at Falls Church NHC which is different than the NCAC. I miked123408/28/18
Thanks for your response miked1234. Do you know what makes t crazylady08/28/18
Have any of you that got on not done training yet?? cratercity08/29/18
@crazylady, JMO but the LC 2 job sounds like a better option catwoman33309/02/18
The Appeals Council is located at 5107 Leesburg Pike (Skylin john0909/03/18
Good point, its pretty sad everyone is gunning so hard for t mtbislife09/03/18
So true mtbislife. newkid50409/03/18
You are a complete moron. sarah890109/13/18
I do not trust the legallawyeroffices.com page! Please give legallawyeroffices09/13/18
Hi, for all you experienced and new SSA attorneys, what have peterrogers10/23/18
I have stock paragraphs that I copy and paste. I even copy a lawst10/23/18
I am not sure what the excel method is. I do like you do wit downwardslope10/24/18

downwardslope (Apr 2, 2018 - 6:45 pm)

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/495347400

I think lots of offices have been approved to hire, but I am not sure how many will post on USAJobs as many post on law school websites or ask current employees if they know anyone. Kramer- I know you should be wrapping it up at SBA...

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2018 - 2:14 am)

You are correct and will be applying

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silvere2 (Apr 2, 2018 - 9:51 pm)

Strange. This doesn't pop up in search. Is it hidden from the USA Jobs search engine? (I didn't know that that was an option).

*edit*

Just kidding, a million jobs just popped up at once. I guess the search engine was having issues.

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downwardslope (Apr 3, 2018 - 7:34 am)

It actually is an option, but that one was just from the search page. I think when they post to law schools they sometimes will have a secret USAJobs link (from what I’ve heard, never having seen one of those myself). Others say they just email random people from the law school postings (which I have done in the past), so it may depend on the law school and who posts it.

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t3success (Apr 3, 2018 - 11:22 pm)

Those cities are really cold.

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walterscrewedme (Apr 4, 2018 - 1:55 pm)

And GS-11 or 12 does not go very far in Mpls. Good for a new law grad, I guess.

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2018 - 5:56 pm)

You can start working overtime pretty quickly and it is available really often if you aren’t too slow to qualify. I know we have one person in my office who typically does 8 hours of OT a week. If you assume around 50/hour for overtime, 400 hours of overtime is an extra $20K... not bad.

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walterscrewedme (Apr 5, 2018 - 8:30 am)

Can you WFH? Having to work and commute to downtown mpls and pay for cost of living in the twin cities is not so appealing as a gs-11 or 12. Being able to wfh would soften the blow.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2018 - 12:02 pm)

After a year it is 3 days a week.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2018 - 1:49 pm)

Downwardslope, yes, I am applying again. It seems even more attractive now as I am on the tail end of my career.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2018 - 10:02 pm)

I applied as well. I didn't buy the whole only posting on law school sites theory, until I checked my law school career services site and saw a ton of openings, well it's one ad but a ton of openings within that ad. Good luck to everyone who applies.

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clocker1 (Apr 7, 2018 - 12:54 am)

SSA sounds much better than the VA. It appears the VA is a target of criticism within the fed government.

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lawst (Apr 8, 2018 - 3:03 pm)

What are the experiences of current SSA attorney/advisors? How do you like the job?

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sarah8901 (Apr 8, 2018 - 6:12 pm)

I am wondering this too. The Falls Church office just released a bulletin for attorneys, open until May.

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govlaw (Apr 8, 2018 - 6:55 pm)

Where’d you see that?

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kramer716 (Apr 9, 2018 - 6:42 am)

Probably an internal posting, but if that internal posting is leaked...wouldn't complain:)

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hopelesslyunemployed (Apr 10, 2018 - 12:45 pm)

OFFICE OF HEARING OPERATIONS
NATIONAL CASE ASSISTANCE CENTER
RECRUITING BULLETIN
Recruiting Bulletin Number: 2018-001
Job Title: Attorney Adviser

Open Period: April 16, 2018 to May 4, 2018

Position Information: Attorney, GS-905-11 (GS-11)
Promotion Potential: GS-12 (This is a career-ladder position.)
Position Information: Full Time-Excepted Service (Not to Exceed (NTE) Four-year appointment, may be extended or made permanent)
GS-11 Salary Scale: $66,510 – 86,460.00

Duty Location: Falls Church, Virginia.

NOTE: Additional decision writing opportunities may become available at National Case Assistance Centers located in Baltimore, MD, Louisville, KY, St. Louis, MO, or Richmond, CA. If you would like to be considered for future positions in any of the aforementioned locations, please identify which locations on your resume.

Who May Be Considered: United States Citizens and Nationals (Residents of American Samoa and Swains Island)

NOTE: Applications will be maintained for consideration for 6 months from the date received.

Job Summary:
As a member of our team, you would virtually advise Administrative Law Judges on all aspects of adjudication based on the Social Security Act, applicable Social Security Rulings, agency policies, and related Federal and State laws; draft, complex, legally-sufficient decisions issued by over 1,500 Administrative Law Judges; and help those in need by performing challenging, meaningful work, while having the opportunity for continued growth and advancement throughout your career.

Qualifications:
Applicants must be duly licensed, authorized and eligible to practice as an attorney under the laws of a state, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or a U.S. Territory. **Active bar membership must be maintained to remain in this position.**
Also, to qualify for the GS-11 position, applicants must meet one of the following criteria:
A. LL.B. or J.D. AND at least 1 year of professional legal experience equivalent to the GS-9 grade level or higher in the Federal service, OR
B. A second professional law degree (LL.M) which requires one full year of graduate study OR
C. A J.D. or LL.B. and superior law student work or activities as demonstrated by one of the following: (a) Academic standing in the upper-third of the law school graduating class. (b) Work or achievement of significance on your law schools' official law review. (c) Special high-level honors for academic excellence in law school, such as election to the Order of the Coif. (d) Winning of a moot court competition or membership on the moot court team that represents the law school in competition with other law schools. (e) Full-time or continuous participation in a legal aid program as opposed to one-time, intermittent, or casual participation.
Such documentation may include a current active bar card, a screen print from a bar web site that reflects you are an active member of the bar, or a letter/certificate from the bar certifying that you are licensed and authorized to practice law. *No exceptions permitted to this requirement.
Applicants MUST meet all eligibility requirements on or before the closing date of the announcement to be considered for the position.

How To Apply:
Application packages must be sent electronically to [email protected] and received in the mailbox no later than 11:59 p.m. EST, on the day that the announcement closes.
Applicants must submit the following documents:
1. Cover Letter that includes your desired duty location and availability.
2. Complete resume that includes information about your: education, work experience (paid and unpaid, including clerkships/internships) providing job title, series and grade if Federal employment accomplishments, employer’s name and address, supervisor’s name and phone number, starting and ending dates (mm/dd/yy), hours per week, and salary; and other qualifications (skills, certifications/licenses, honors, awards, special accomplishments, and job-related training courses).
*Please note that providing the mm/dd/yy for all work experience is critical for evaluating your application. If actual dates are not known, provide your best-estimated timeframes.
3. J.D. Law School Transcript; including class rank and degree confer date (Unofficial transcripts are acceptable; Self-Prepared transcripts are NOT acceptable) If selected, official transcripts are required.
4. Proof that you are a member in good standing of the Bar of a state, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or a U.S. Territory. Acceptable forms of proof are: a current active bar card, a screen print from a bar web site that reflects you are an active member of the bar, or a letter/certificate dated within 1 year from the bar certifying that you are licensed and authorized to practice law. *No exceptions permitted to this requirement.
5. If applicable, proof of veteran’s preference (DD-214 member 4 copy). This document MUST show character of service. If you are claiming 10-point preference, you MUST also submit with your DD-214 a completed SF-15 along with the required documentation specified on the reverse side of the SF-15. Preference will be granted based on the documents received.
6. One current substantive legal writing sample that reflects your own work, no more than 10 pages in length. Your sample must be sanitized or redacted to prevent possible Privacy Act violations. Writing samples will be critiqued based on your ability to analyze a legal problem and clearly and concisely articulate legal rationale.
7. If applicable, all current and former employees may submit a copy of their last SF-50 (Notification of Personnel Action) showing the highest grade held.
Other Information:
- This position is being filled by an alternative hiring process and is not in the competitive civil service. This is an excepted service position that is being filled on a full-time basis. Flextime and/or alternate work schedules may be available.

- Applicants will be required to submit to a timed writing test during the application process.

- As a condition of employment, male applicants born after December 31, 1959, must certify that they have registered with the Selective Service System, or are exempt from having to do so under the Selective Service Law.
- Relocation expenses will not be paid.
- Social Security provides reasonable accommodations to applicants with disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify SSA at [email protected] The decision on granting reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis.

Benefits:
Social Security offers a comprehensive benefits program that you can customize for your individual medical and financial needs. In addition to traditional “dollars and cents” benefits, we offer a range of benefits to help you balance life with Social Security to life outside of work. Please review the Social Security Administration Careers site www.ssa.gov/careers for additional information about the many benefits of a career with Social Security.
FACSIMILIE APPLICATIONS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.
The Federal Government is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
SSA PROVIDES EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL PERSONS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, COLOR, AGE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, DISABILITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, MARITAL STATUS, PARENTAL STATUS, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, AND CONDUCT NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE.
WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT:
Applicants considered for selection may be required to provide official transcripts or attend an in-person or telephonic interview. Reference checks and background investigations will be conducted for tentatively selected candidates.
For additional information about this position, please forward your inquiries to [email protected]

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silvere2 (Apr 10, 2018 - 7:59 pm)

I note the opening period hasn't started yet, per the posting. Does this mean (and you may not know the answer) that we need to wait until the 16th to apply?

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sarah8901 (Apr 9, 2018 - 3:46 pm)

It's on job board from my law school, so I think it's not a public posting.

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izzymandelbaum (Apr 8, 2018 - 9:04 pm)

I enjoy it. What do you want to know?

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sarah8901 (Apr 9, 2018 - 3:57 pm)

I kind of want to know if gossip about non-attorney managers is everywhere or not... I mean if people were cool and could do it, okay. Also even if non-attorneys what's the culture like? The veterans board stories are pretty bad and I learn fast and could hopefully meet quotas. I just want to work for nice people I guess.

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govlaw (Apr 9, 2018 - 4:01 pm)

You need to provide a little more information on the job posting. There are now a couple of offices in Falls Church and they aren't all the same.

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sarah8901 (Apr 10, 2018 - 4:53 pm)

IT's something called "Office of Hearings Operations, National Case Assistance Center." I think I get what hearings means.

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izzymandelbaum (Apr 10, 2018 - 8:22 pm)

That’s a decision writer posting. This would not be with the Appeals Council. Those positions write the Administrative Law Judge decisions.

Sarah. Not sure you actually asked a question in that first portion. The atmosphere is very laid back. Nothing like the VA from what I hear. We have production requirements but it is not anywhere near as bad.

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mch98 (Apr 11, 2018 - 1:16 pm)

izzymandelbaum Do you work as an SSA decision writer? I'm interested that you describe it as laid back. Are there production quotas and what is the work environment like? Thanks.

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izzymandelbaum (Apr 11, 2018 - 2:34 pm)

No. I work for the Appeals Council. Decision writers do have a production quota (as do appeals council attorney advisers).

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roadkingrider (Apr 11, 2018 - 9:01 pm)

Izzy pretty sure my kid works with you not that you would know him. My son really seems to like the job he works out of Falls Church. The work from home is a plus. He was a litigator before and just could not stand the BS. This job your leave your work at work.

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downwardslope (Apr 12, 2018 - 1:30 pm)

It is a fine job... not super challenging. The quota is manageable but people do get fired if they do not meet it. I think the NCACs are the hardest. I am in a hearing office.

Whether an office is laid back depends on the office. Some are more production oriented than others.

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karma (Apr 14, 2018 - 4:28 pm)

Why do you think NCACs are the hardest?

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downwardslope (Apr 15, 2018 - 8:40 am)

The job is quota based. In a hearing office you can usually expect a couple of bad judges in terms of instructions, but in the NCAC you get each judge once and may have no clue what they mean or what they want. Once you figure out what a judge wants, it saves a lot of time. If I get judge blue’s crazy instructions a few times a month, I know what she wants and it doesn’t take me long to figure her out.

I know in my office the instructions are not the hottest. I got something from a new judge who transferred and it was incredible. I am used to my office now, but initially it took me an hour or two to figure out what was going on in the instructions.

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mch98 (Apr 19, 2018 - 11:31 pm)

What are you supposed to do if you don't understand the judge's instructions? Just figure it out and/or talk to or email them?

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karma (Apr 14, 2018 - 8:46 pm)

accidental double post

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walkingparadox (Apr 11, 2018 - 11:13 am)

You guys have law degrees and want to use them. I understand that. Why not also apply to US Customs while you wait? My buddy has been pushing the idea on me and I'm starting to do some research on it. You would make the same money in a couple years, in fact more in the long run.

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cratercity (Apr 12, 2018 - 11:42 am)

I'm in the ATL region where they apparently apply veteran's preference religiously despite it being excepted service positions.. so it's not worth me even applying anywhere locally. My school sent out notices and said local ones are going to be listed on USAJOBS and we still have to apply there.. therefore, 0 chance as there will be a million blanket applications I'm afraid :(

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mch98 (Apr 14, 2018 - 2:18 pm)

Has anyone heard back on the SSA decision writer jobs?

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2018 - 5:41 pm)

Just received the referral notice for the SSA jobs that were advertised on the law school career center website. I was referred to Minneapolis, Livonia, Milwaukee, and Madison. I have not been contacted for an interview, just the referral.

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mch98 (Apr 19, 2018 - 6:16 pm)

I got a referral to Milwaukee. It was the only one I applied for.

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2018 - 6:17 pm)

Good luck. Let me know if you hear anything about an interview.

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mch98 (Apr 19, 2018 - 11:29 pm)

Will do. I also applied for the Chicago postings.

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mch98 (Apr 23, 2018 - 2:18 pm)

Kramer, I have not been contacted for an interview yet. Have you?

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kramer716 (Apr 23, 2018 - 4:42 pm)

Nope not yet. I would still give them a week or two, but they do the interviews randomly. I had one where I was told I wasn't referred, then six months later I was asked to interview.

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mch98 (Apr 23, 2018 - 4:51 pm)

I think you were interested in the south? There are a ton posted today in the south. I think there is a four day turn around. I think they may be moving quickly on the SSA jobs.

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kramer716 (Apr 23, 2018 - 5:00 pm)

I will apply to them all. It's been a while so correct me, but you are the one that wanted Mississippi right? If so I hope you get it.

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downwardslope (Apr 24, 2018 - 8:19 am)

I think mch98 was applying to the Chicago area ones last time. Mch98, I don’t think any are interviewing yet, but I could be wrong.

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mch98 (Apr 24, 2018 - 12:54 pm)

Yes, that is correct and I am not a Michigan State alum:) Thanks downward slope for the information.

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2018 - 7:24 pm)

Apologies. This wasn't the law school ad. This was the open to the general public ad. My mistake.

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silvere2 (Apr 19, 2018 - 10:25 pm)

Same. Referred for all 4. Nothing but radio silence for the internal posting posted above.

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mch98 (Apr 19, 2018 - 11:47 pm)

Is there a way of getting new posts on this board emailed or do I have to keep checking back?

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lawrunner317 (Apr 23, 2018 - 11:41 am)

A ton of postings today all over. Writing sample required. Good luck to all interested and applying!

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mtbislife (Apr 24, 2018 - 12:34 pm)

Referred and silence on my end as well.

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mch98 (Apr 25, 2018 - 4:02 pm)

Got a referral to the national or regional hearing center in Chicago. Nothing from the Chicago other Chicago locations yet.

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kramer716 (Apr 25, 2018 - 4:58 pm)

Congratulations. I don't think I applied for that one, but could be wrong. i hop3 6ou t35 it

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dcm1983 (Apr 25, 2018 - 9:41 pm)

How hard is it to hit the quota in these jobs?

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hopelesslyunemployed (Apr 25, 2018 - 9:51 pm)

quota is not hard once you know the law and get some experience. quota is roughly 2 favorables a day or 1 unfavorable a day, but I know people drafting 2-3 decisions a day fairly easily

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mch98 (Apr 27, 2018 - 12:25 pm)

Referred for Chicagoland positions.

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cratercity (Apr 30, 2018 - 2:04 pm)

I received a "tentatively eligible for this series/grade combination based on your self-rating of your qualifications" message from USAJOBS.. I applied for virtually ever opening in the South - all in Region IV (Atlanta), is there any reason why I would be tentatively approved for some and not others?

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kramer716 (Apr 30, 2018 - 3:45 pm)

I received those as well. I have no clue how that works, but I guess it depends on who does the reviewing. Good luck to ya. It seems they want to move fast on these, so hopefully they have everything done by end of May.

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kramer716 (May 1, 2018 - 6:43 pm)

I received an email from the Minneapolis office asking if I am interested. I didn't receive anything regarding scheduling an interview, just asking if am interested.

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lawrunner317 (May 1, 2018 - 7:45 pm)

Same

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mch98 (May 1, 2018 - 11:45 pm)

Why would you have applied for a job if you weren't interested?

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kramer716 (May 2, 2018 - 7:20 am)

It's the mythology of the federal hiring process. You gotta love it.

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downwardslope (May 2, 2018 - 9:30 am)

It has been a month since the position opened. Circumstances can change. People can get new jobs or other issues can happen. Like I ended up having to do a major home repair while interviewing for several distant jobs.

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kramer716 (May 2, 2018 - 11:01 am)

Excellent points.

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mch98 (May 2, 2018 - 11:29 am)

True. They have to get interview panels together so I guess they want a head count.

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 11:22 am)

Referred for the openings in Dover. No interviews yet.

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mch98 (May 3, 2018 - 1:48 pm)

I think Dover might be a good place to live.

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 1:56 pm)

Very nice cliffs there:)

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 2:12 pm)

Have an interview with the Akron office. I think this came about as a result of the law school ad. If anyone else has one, good luck to you.

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mch98 (May 3, 2018 - 2:56 pm)

Good luck. Is it by phone?

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 2:59 pm)

Yep. Phone interview

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downwardslope (May 3, 2018 - 7:01 pm)

Good luck! Is Akron a place you’d like to live?

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 7:27 pm)

I wouldn't mind it. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I will take a foot in the door.

I also got my first round of rejections. There was an ad for the SSA offices in Santa Barbara, Honolulu, Reno and a few others. I wasn't referred for those.

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downwardslope (May 3, 2018 - 8:55 pm)

Are they using vet preference there?

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silvere2 (May 3, 2018 - 9:19 pm)

They are. I was rejected as well, email stated they pulled only from the vets list.

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kramer716 (May 3, 2018 - 7:27 pm)

Sorry. Double post

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compassion (May 4, 2018 - 8:18 am)

Applied for Attorney Advisor. Received a "tentively eligible" email based on my responses; hopefully, that is a good sign. The posting said "many vacancies," and did not give an actual number.

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kramer716 (May 4, 2018 - 8:58 am)

It's not a bad sign, but wouldn't put too much stock into that. I would just prepare for the worst but hope for the best with these openings. Good luck and I hope you end up getting whatever office you applied to.

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cratercity (May 5, 2018 - 7:08 pm)

Out of curiosity what office did you get that in? Or was it more than one?

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kramer716 (May 6, 2018 - 5:27 pm)

I received a ton of them. As for which offices, they only give the announcement number. As far as I can tell, though, all that means is you didn't disqualify yourself when you applied. I would put more weight on any referral emails you receive and I really wouldn't get your hopes up until you are offered an interview and even then it's a crapshoot.

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cratercity (May 6, 2018 - 5:59 pm)

Oh trust me not getting my hopes up at all lol just glad I have a job in the meantime .. even though it’s not ideal..

I applied for all jobs that expired last Friday out of Atlanta region .. I didn’t know if that tentatively eligible notice has any indications As to whether any/how many vets may have applied .. what struck me as odd was I had only gotten a few of those notices even though I gave the same responses for all 9+ listings? Thanks again for your insight

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kramer716 (May 6, 2018 - 7:09 pm)

No worries. Good luck.

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compassion (May 4, 2018 - 11:37 am)

Thanks, same to you.

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kramer716 (May 4, 2018 - 1:06 pm)

I was just called for an interview with the Mt. Pleasant office in Michigan.

JUst going by gut instinct, it appears they want people in place end of the month. Again, nothing but instinct but given the speed they are moving I don't think they want to wait.

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mch98 (May 4, 2018 - 1:11 pm)

Thanks for the information! Did it seem like it was from the individual hearing office or from the region? Good luck--is the interview scheduled soon? You are going to be busy with all these interviews!

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kramer716 (May 4, 2018 - 1:19 pm)

The Akron interview came about via email, and he is the head of the Akron office. This interview is Monday. The Mt. Pleasant interview is Tuesday, and that interview came from a phone call from Minneapolis, so it's 50/50 regarding directly from the office or the regional headquarters.

Good luck with your applications.

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cratercity (May 4, 2018 - 1:44 pm)

Good luck at the interview!

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mch98 (May 4, 2018 - 2:00 pm)

No interview calls on Chicagoland or Milwaukee yet.

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kramer716 (May 6, 2018 - 7:12 pm)

Just to give some further information on the interviews. For the Akron one, they give you flexibility in scheduling the written test, and the Mt. Pleasant interview will have the written test be done immediately after. So if you are contacted for an interview, I would just plan on it being two hours, one hour for the interview and one for the written test.

I also was referred for Harrisburg. This was Friday.

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jd1988 (May 6, 2018 - 8:34 pm)

That is interesting. I don't think there was a writing test during the last hiring? I'm assuming it is online? You have to retake it for each of the postings?

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mch98 (May 6, 2018 - 10:28 pm)

Thanks for the information. i wasn't expecting a writing test either but it makes sense. Strange that you would have to take (presumably) the same test several times. Good luck and keep us posted!!

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kramer716 (May 7, 2018 - 8:44 am)

Two quick things.

1. Both of my referrals were as a result of the law school ad, so not sure if that means anything as opposed to the regular USAJOBS ad.

2. You can use the same writing sample for multiple tests. I scheduled the Mt. Pleasant one while walking to lunch, so set up the interview, and right when the conversation was going to end she slipped in the writing test would be an hour after the interview. Moving forward I will mention that I have already taken the test, but you will have to take it once

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downwardslope (May 7, 2018 - 2:16 pm)

According to USAJobs, Akron only had 4 posts and Mt. Pleasant had 3. 18 seems like a lot of interviews for 4 openings but if they want people to start in 2 days I guess that is how many people they need to interview.

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kramer716 (May 7, 2018 - 2:35 pm)

You are correct. Forgot they listed the number of openings. Ah well, so the odds are not in my favor but who knows. I probably have a better shot at Mt. Pleasant just because I think it's less attractive than Akron, but who knows.

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downwardslope (May 7, 2018 - 4:46 pm)

The timeframes often limit who can start. If they have to start people by a certain point, a lot of people can’t quit and move in a week.

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kramer716 (May 7, 2018 - 5:13 pm)

It sounds like June 1st is their projected start date. They want to hire sometime in the May 14th to 21st area, so it's a quick turnaround but not horrible. I would guess June 4th which is the first Monday in June. Anyway, my odds are 22%, so let's roll the dice and see what happens. I hope some of the other jobs come through, but we shall see.

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mch98 (May 7, 2018 - 5:58 pm)

That does sound like a lot of interview panels to have to get together. Were your interviewers from the local offices or the region?

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downwardslope (May 7, 2018 - 7:27 pm)

Did you do the regional office interview last year, mch98? I know someone of us had it, but it sounds like (at least from the people who were hired) not everyone did the same one.

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mch98 (May 7, 2018 - 7:55 pm)

I'm not sure. I think they were hiring for a few offices including the regional and the interviewers were from different places. Do you know anything about the status of Chicagoland interviews?

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downwardslope (May 8, 2018 - 8:46 am)

Nothing is happening in my office as far as I can tell. I haven’t heard about anything happening in the others yet either.

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mch98 (May 8, 2018 - 12:05 pm)

Thanks for the information. Any updates are appreciated!

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kramer716 (May 7, 2018 - 8:13 pm)

For this one, it was all local people. Tomorrow may be regional.

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mch98 (May 7, 2018 - 8:21 pm)

Good luck! The writing test is tomorrow too?

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kramer716 (May 8, 2018 - 3:14 pm)

It was. I also was called about an interview with the Evansville office, so will be doing that next week.

For the interview today it was local people.

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mch98 (May 8, 2018 - 6:33 pm)

How did the interview and the writing test go? Good luck with Evansville. You are increasing your odds with all these interviews.

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kramer716 (May 8, 2018 - 10:26 pm)

Interview went well. I think the interview with Akron went better, but working off the assumption that I didn't get either position, so will continue to grind until I get the "You're hired" email/call.

Evansville is only hiring one attorney, so odds are against me there but I will take the chance.

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kramer716 (May 7, 2018 - 9:34 am)

Just had the interview. Google glassdoor Social Security Attorney Advisor. Those questions were pretty much dead-on. They said they want to do the hiring within a week or two. They will send my writing sample to their regional office, so Chicago to grade. They are doing 18 total interviews for Akron, not sure how many people they are hiring but interviewing 18.

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mch98 (May 7, 2018 - 12:32 pm)

Thanks for the information. Really helpful to know. I really hope this works out for you. That's good that you don't have to do the writing test twice. Was it just a timed essay with one problem?
I recall seeing Mt. Pleasant on USA jobs, but I do not recall Akron. I'm not sure why it would make a difference in hiring protocol. Good luck!!

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silvere2 (May 7, 2018 - 8:21 pm)

Has anyone heard anything from that internal Falls Church posting copied above? I know it just closed Friday, but last time I applied for one of these I heard back regarding an interview within the announcement open period.

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silvere2 (May 10, 2018 - 12:23 pm)

Received an interview invite for the Minneapolis office today.

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kramer716 (May 10, 2018 - 12:44 pm)

Nice! Minneapolis would be awesome. How did they notify you? Was it on the phone or by email? Congratulations and good luck.

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silvere2 (May 10, 2018 - 12:49 pm)

Thank you! Notification was by email. I've never been to Minneapolis, but I do know that (despite the weather) people who live there love it. Good luck to you as well with your interviews.

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mch98 (May 10, 2018 - 1:20 pm)

It's a great city. I used to go there on business. When are they scheduling interviews and do you have any flexibility with scheduling the writing test? Good luck!

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silvere2 (May 10, 2018 - 1:32 pm)

I'm scheduled for next week. No idea re: writing test flexibility (I didn't ask)

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kramer716 (May 10, 2018 - 2:44 pm)

Regarding scheduling the writing test, I think they prefer that both the interview and the writing test be done back to back, but I don't think they would object if you needed to do it a little later. Having said that when you schedule your interview, just tack on an extra hour for planning purposes. So if it's Monday at 11 AM, figure your interview is about 30 mins to an hour and then the writing test for an hour after that, so you would be free at 1 PM at the latest.

If I was picking cities to interview for I would have picked Minneapolis in a heartbeat. Good luck to you.

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mch98 (May 10, 2018 - 5:27 pm)

Got a call for Chicagoland openings. They are interviewing next week with writing test to immediately take place after phone interview. Thanks so much for the information so I knew to ask! Good luck to everyone!

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silvere2 (May 10, 2018 - 6:15 pm)

Great news, good luck!

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kramer716 (May 10, 2018 - 6:16 pm)

Good luck. Hope you get it.

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silvere2 (May 11, 2018 - 11:37 am)

For those of you currently at the SSA: has there been any discussion of going full-time telework? Seems they're lagging a little bit behind the VA, especially because the SSA was the agency that pioneered telework.

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downwardslope (May 11, 2018 - 1:48 pm)

They are piloting 4 days, but at the same time a lot of agencies are curtailing telework and there are rumors that they might curtail as well. The issue is that there is simply not enough space. They need to ramp up the support staff hiring and the writer hiring and most offices are already pretty full as it is. If people aren’t telecommuting at least 3 days a week so that they can share with another person, they aren’t going to have any space to put other bodies. I know in my office, we have around 3-4 open slots in offices or cubes. They’ve already converted available space to make new (non-regulation) offices. The new people have to be in the office a year before they can telework 3 days a week, so they have to have an office to themselves the first year. THe tradeoff in the NCACs/RCACs/NHCs for people having cubicles or non-regulation offices is that they get 4 days a week of telework.

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silvere2 (May 11, 2018 - 2:01 pm)

Thanks for the insight!

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lawst (May 12, 2018 - 5:28 pm)

I sort of wish they'd cut back on telework. Decision writing is an isolating job as it is. But then add in telework and the office is just dead much of the time. It's a very strange dynamic.

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john09 (May 12, 2018 - 6:32 pm)

Employees have the option to telework or not. I don't think SSA should cut back on telework just because some people want a more vibrant work environment. If anything, I think SSA should allow full time telework.

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 11:49 am)

I got an e-mail for a writing test for an office in Alabama. Also got another interview for the Harrisburg office, with writing test to follow right after.

Good luck to everyone interviewing! Fort those of you who got interviews at Chicago and Minneapolis, did your status change to referred first?

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mch98 (May 11, 2018 - 11:54 am)

I received an email saying I was referred to Chicago a few weeks ago.

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 1:19 pm)

Ohh OK, I see. I remember Chicago being a part of a job posting that included multiple cities (It was like Boston, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Philly, etc, all on one job posting) but the job closed on May 4. Was that the one you got the referral e-mail to Chicago for? Or did Chicago have its own listing independently some weeks ago?

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silvere2 (May 11, 2018 - 12:14 pm)

Also received a referral email prior to interview invite.

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 1:19 pm)

Ohh OK, I see. I remember Chicago being a part of a job posting that included multiple cities (It was like Boston, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Philly, etc, all on one job posting) but the job closed on May 4. Was that the one you got the referral e-mail to Chicago for? Or did Chicago have its own listing independently some weeks ago?

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mch98 (May 11, 2018 - 1:39 pm)

From the posting:

Positions will be filled in the following offices:
Akron Hearing Office located at 121 South Main Street, Suite 400, Akron, OH 44308-1426
Cleveland Hearing Office located at 1660 West Second Street, Skylight Office Tower, Suite 500, Cleveland, OH 44113
Toledo Hearing Office located at One Seagate, 13th Floor, Toledo, OH 43604
Detroit Hearing Office located at 477 Michigan Avenue, Room 900, Patrick V. McNamara Federal Building, Detroit, MI 48226
Flint Hearing Office located at 300 West Second Street, Flint, MI 48502-2047
Grand Rapids Hearing Office located at Campau Square Plaza Building, 99 Monroe NW, Suite 300, Grand Rapids, MI 49503
Lansing Hearing Office located at 4202 Collins Road, Suite 200, Lansing, MI 48910
Mount Pleasant Hearing Office located at 4035 Sweeney Road, Mount Pleasant, MI 48858
Evansville Hearing Office located at 100 NW Second Street, Old Post Office, 2nd & 3rd Floors, Evansville, IN 47708
Indianapolis Hearing Office located at 151 North Delaware Street, Market Square Center, Suite 400, Indianapolis, IN 46204-2510
Valparaiso Hearing Office located at 1250 Eastport Centre Drive, Valparaiso, IN 46383
Chicago Hearing Office located at 131 S. Dearborn, Citadel Building, 25th Floor, Chicago, IL 60603
Oak Brook Hearing Office located at 2301 West 22nd Street, Oak Brook, IL 60523
Orland Park Hearing Office located at 15401 South 94th Avenue, Orland Park, IL 60462

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 4:22 pm)

Oh ok, thanks! I must have missed this one.

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newkid504 (May 11, 2018 - 12:54 pm)

Which Alabama office did you receive an email from?

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 1:20 pm)

Florence

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kramer716 (May 11, 2018 - 1:47 pm)

Did Harrisburg call you or email you? I was referred there last week but haven't heard anything since.

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 4:21 pm)

They called me to schedule an interview and followed up with an e-mail asking me to send a copy of my bar card and to send an official transcript.

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kramer716 (May 11, 2018 - 5:10 pm)

Very cool. I wouldn't have minded Harrisburg but looks like I am out of the running for that one. Good luck to ya.

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kramer716 (May 11, 2018 - 7:53 pm)

Received my second round of rejections, it was for offices out west. I am only slightly disappointed because I would have loved Vegas or Tucson. This was another opening that only did veterans first, so hopefully they will be in need of attorneys down the road.

On the plus side, it makes my decision of where to go that much easier.

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favorandgrace (May 11, 2018 - 8:49 pm)

Ditto! Found tentatively eligible for GS-12 but not referred because they are only taking Vets for now. I wonder how many veterans could possibly be applying for these jobs? I mean, this posting was for like 8 cities. I'm not too bummed though because I couldn't see myself in any of those cities anyway.

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kramer716 (May 11, 2018 - 9:05 pm)

They will probably call in a month or two to see if you are still interested. The only cities I would consider at that point are Vegas and Tucson. My stint up in Buffalo made me remember why I hate winter.

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kramer716 (May 14, 2018 - 3:05 pm)

Just received a call from the Indianapolis office. I wouldn't complain about Indianapolis.

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favorandgrace (May 14, 2018 - 3:11 pm)

nice! I didn't even apply for that city. I applied for all the cities that I saw, so I guess I must have missed that posting. Good luck! Was the call for an interview?

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kramer716 (May 14, 2018 - 3:29 pm)

Apologies, yes it is for an interview. I cannot remember how many attorneys Indianapolis are hiring, but I don't think it's that many so will work off the assumption that it's a long shot. I would have no complaints with Indy, though. Have heard it is a very nice city.

Yeah, they are just hiring one attorney, so I will go in with no pressure and assume I won't be getting that one and if I do then awesome.

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mch98 (May 16, 2018 - 5:21 pm)

I got a call for an in person interview at Chicago NHC. Tuesday call for Thursday interview.

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mtbislife (May 14, 2018 - 10:44 pm)

Anyone hear from the TN postings yet?

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cratercity (May 14, 2018 - 10:54 pm)

Nope not here.

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favorandgrace (May 15, 2018 - 1:46 pm)

Nope not yet.

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cratercity (May 16, 2018 - 8:46 am)

Not a TN posting but another position in Kentucky that is sourced from the same HR office called asking if I was still interested. So I guess something is going on behind the scenes even though the website isn’t telling us

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calistasun1234 (May 15, 2018 - 11:35 am)

Anyone apply to the OGC openings that closed in early May? Any word? I guess it’s early.

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favorandgrace (May 15, 2018 - 1:46 pm)

I applied and haven't heard anything back. Would loveeeee to get one of these positions more than anything. I imagine working for OGC is more exciting than working for OHO? The job announcement made it sound so intriguing. Not to mention the locations are excellent for me. I hope to hear back from them. Good luck to you.

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mch98 (May 16, 2018 - 2:33 am)

Applied and haven't heard anything.

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downwardslope (May 16, 2018 - 7:56 am)

I applied and have heard nothing. These may not move until after the OHO positions are finished. I know when I interviewed last year for my ODAR position people from the OGC were doing my interview. I also assume they are doing the writing test grading for this round.

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favorandgrace (May 16, 2018 - 8:59 am)

Hmm interesting. I wonder how they are grading that writing test anyway. Do you know if they let you know your grade/what they are looking for? I have no idea if I did well or not.

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favorandgrace (May 16, 2018 - 9:01 am)

Also so some people may likely be in the position of getting an OHO offer and accepting it, and later receiving an OGC offer. How bad does it look to accept one offer and then lets say the next month, resign to accept an OGC offer?

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downwardslope (May 16, 2018 - 5:21 pm)

There is a requirement in the Feds that your old unit has to agree to release you if a new appointment is within a certain period like 90 or 120 days. I am not sure they would even let you transfer within a month unless the appointment was in an area better located for you in terms of family, etc. It seems like it is centralized HR for the OGC and regional for the OHOs so I am not sure if they are coordinating certificates or interviews.

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favorandgrace (May 16, 2018 - 5:42 pm)

Oh wow... I didn't know that. Dang that sucks... There are even a bunch of DHS jobs that close May 25th that I was also planning to apply for. I wonder how people navigate this in the event they get more than one offer/pending offer. Ah well, I'll cross that bridge when/if i get there.

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favorandgrace (May 16, 2018 - 5:58 pm)

Ok so I did some research and dug this up:

§330.502 General restriction on movement after competitive appointment.

(a) An agency must wait at least 90 days after an employee's latest nontemporary competitive appointment before the agency may take the following actions:

(1) Promote an employee;

(2) Transfer, reinstate, reassign, or detail an employee to a different position; or

(3) Transfer, reinstate, reassign, or detail an employee to a different geographical area.

(b) Upon written request from an agency, OPM may waive the restriction against movement to a different geographical area when moving such an employee is consistent with open competition principles.


So pretty much, this rule only applies if a federal employee is looking to get promoted or reinstated by the agency. This rule only applies to agency actions and not actions of the employee. So an employee could quit a job before 90 days to go to another agency. It doesn't break any rule. I still hope I'm not in that situation though..

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downwardslope (May 16, 2018 - 6:26 pm)

The main issue here is that I think the OHO positions are term and the OGC is not so I am not sure how it works when that is the case. It makes sense that someone would want a perm offer over a term one.

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cratercity (May 16, 2018 - 5:12 pm)

Any idea as to what to expect in the event I get to a writing test? Nothing specific ..

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 10:46 am)

Speaking generally, you will get it emailed to you and you will have a set amount of time to complete it and send it back. I think they prefer that you do it right after the phone interview, so if you are called for a phone interview I would budget two hours for planning purposes.

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 10:50 am)

I had an interview today and did not know this going in, but they had one interview for four offices. They had a rep from each office asking questions, so it surprised me but happy to increase my odds.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 11:35 am)

Good luck!!! Did they give you a time frame?

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 11:35 am)

Same kind of questions?

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downwardslope (May 17, 2018 - 12:03 pm)

Have you done yours yet? I think Chicagoland and Wisconsin were going too. Maybe they want everyone to start the same week but they have told us nothing.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 12:12 pm)

I never got a call on Milwaukee but I have interviews scheduled with Chicagoland and NHC.

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downwardslope (May 17, 2018 - 12:23 pm)

Best of luck. I think among all the offices they have to hire over 20 in the Chicagoland area so they will probably be interviewing for a few weeks. I imagine no one has a clue how the writing test will factor in and whether people who interview well will do equally well in the test since it is new.

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silvere2 (May 17, 2018 - 1:34 pm)

The NHC in Falls Church? Was that interview invite from the USAJobs posting or the internal posting? Ughhh I really wanted that one.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 11:21 pm)

No worries. Chicago.

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sarah8901 (May 24, 2018 - 6:20 pm)

Are you interested in both the NHC and NCAC in Falls Church? I applied for NCAC and have an interview next week.

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 7:21 pm)

No, I'm not on the East Coast. Good luck with the interview.

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 12:34 pm)

Yeah the questions have been pretty similar across the board. It seems that they were given a directive from on high to ask questions A, B, C, D, etc. and they are doing it. There isn't much, "Oh you worked on Guam, tell us about X, Y, and Z" They just ask the question, I answer, they pause and write. Next one up and same thing. There haven't been any follow-up questions. Very scripted.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 1:01 pm)

That sounds easy. I would rather just have a writing test for a writing job than run through my memory for a time when I did blah blah blah.

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 12:32 pm)

No, but I am assuming early June. They open with the same question of, "If you are selected will you be able to start within a few weeks." Just working off the assumption that a few weeks means early June.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 1:10 pm)

I'll ask

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mch98 (May 18, 2018 - 1:05 am)

Mid June.

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kramer716 (May 18, 2018 - 11:45 am)

Nice. How was the interview for ya

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mch98 (May 18, 2018 - 1:13 pm)

I'm not sure but they were really nice.

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silvere2 (May 17, 2018 - 1:34 pm)

I was told mid June for one of the Southeast offices.

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 2:27 pm)

This would make sense at this point. They probably need some time to go through the written exam.

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kramer716 (May 17, 2018 - 3:00 pm)

Just got a call to interview with Grand Rapids. Good dude. I actually got more of a recruiting vibe from this phone call, and I wouldn't complain if Grand Rapids ends up being my landing spot.

Good luck all with your interviews. Hope to be in your training group soon.

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mch98 (May 17, 2018 - 11:31 pm)

That's great! Was it an ALJ?

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newkid504 (May 17, 2018 - 6:53 pm)

Has anyone heard from offices where the announcements closed towards the end of April? Like Atlanta, the Florida offices, South Carolina, etc.

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silvere2 (May 17, 2018 - 7:01 pm)

I was referred for some of those offices but beyond that, nothing.

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newkid504 (May 17, 2018 - 7:11 pm)

are you talking about the email, stating you are tentatively eligible based on your responses to the questionnaire or an email specifically stating you were referred and your status in usajobs shows referred?

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silvere2 (May 17, 2018 - 7:33 pm)

Referred. My USAJobs status doesn't show referred for these I don't think (but it rarely does). If I recall correctly, it was for some of the Florida offices and I believe some of the South Carolina ones as well. Sorry I don't have more info, I've been referred so often with federal jobs that I kind of just ignore it until one day hopefully I get an interview.

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jaxlaw (May 17, 2018 - 8:01 pm)

Jacksonville, Florida?

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jaxlaw (May 17, 2018 - 8:03 pm)

Any word on Jacksonville, Florida. Since I applied it’s been radio silence. Other than the “you qualify for this grade” email

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compassion (May 17, 2018 - 9:44 pm)

Not a peep.

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jaxlaw (May 18, 2018 - 10:42 am)

I have it on good authority they haven’t gotten to Jax yet. Might not for several more weeks

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floridalawa (May 20, 2018 - 10:48 pm)

Any word on when they're expecting start dates for FL? Seems like the oher locations are projecting early June, but have already reached out for interviews.

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cratercity (May 18, 2018 - 8:43 am)

Hypothetically if you get a job that isn’t your first choice, how hard is it to transfer back to a hometown or a closer location once you’ve put some time in?

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floridalawa (May 20, 2018 - 10:45 pm)

I am wondering this too. I seem to have overlooked a USAjobs posting for SSA in Ft Lauderdale, but applied to other FL vacancies.

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cratercity (May 21, 2018 - 6:26 am)

Apparently as these are considered non competitive since they are term appointments, transfer can only be accomplished if both offices agree or under hardship (spouse moves to a new area for a job or your parents or other immediate family members are sick). Otherwise, you’ll have to apply for a new position in the new location once it becomes available.

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downwardslope (May 21, 2018 - 6:47 am)

Normally it is not hard, but since they are hiring only term appointments and not working any of the transfer lists, there is currently a grievance in with the union as people who are already in can’t transfer either non-competitively through the list OR apply to transfer since they are also forced to take a non-competitive term appointment like everyone else.

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kramer716 (May 18, 2018 - 11:55 am)

Just an FYI they posted another round of openings. I only looked at the first couple, but they seem to have a southwestern/Rocky Mountain bent to them. I have seen Salt Lake and Oklahoma City so far.

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favorandgrace (May 18, 2018 - 12:46 pm)

Nicee and they are all closing in only a couple days. I'll be shooting my shot to those as well. Thanks for the heads up.

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favorandgrace (May 18, 2018 - 12:28 pm)

Scheduled two interviews today for a total of 3 SSA interviews so far. This is the most luck I've had with federal government interviews a long while. Hope I get at least one offer.

Really hoping/wishing that the OGC offices hurry up and start referring people/setting up interviews. A DHS vacancy and an EEOC vacancy that I applied for that closed May 2nd have already referred me. But I reallyyyy want the NYC OGC office. Has anyone heard back from OGC?

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kramer716 (May 18, 2018 - 1:08 pm)

Congrats, which offices?

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favorandgrace (May 18, 2018 - 3:24 pm)

Thank you! Offices in Alabama, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania.

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cratercity (May 19, 2018 - 4:15 pm)

Which ones in Kentucky if you're comfortable in answering that.. Lexington? Paducah? Middlesboro?

I want to work in Kentucky and was curious as to which one(s) I needed to give up hope on! Good luck with your interviews!

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whipster (May 18, 2018 - 7:06 pm)

Applied for a ODAR local office which had only advertised in small print, i.e. on a couple of law school websites and I think the local paper (this is not a large pop area, but lots of SSI cases because it is a very poor area). A few days later they posted on the usajobs site but only open a couple of days. Went ahead and applied there also. I have to assume they received very few apps from the small print ads?

Anyone seen that scenario before on these listings?

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govlaw (May 18, 2018 - 10:40 pm)

I would assume that it just didnt publish to usajobs when it posted to the smaller sites.

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mch98 (May 21, 2018 - 9:55 pm)

Scheduled to take the writing test. Has anyone further along in the process had their references checked? If they are looking at 6/11 report dates, I would think that offers should be made in the next week.

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silvere2 (May 21, 2018 - 11:52 pm)

No references checked for me yet (though I've given references).

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kramer716 (May 21, 2018 - 11:53 pm)

Same.

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kramer716 (May 22, 2018 - 2:56 pm)

I received another referral email. I was not referred for Colorado Springs and Billings, MT, but I was referred for Fargo. Great TV show.

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mch98 (May 22, 2018 - 4:23 pm)

Yikes. That would be very cold in the winter.

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kramer716 (May 22, 2018 - 4:36 pm)

Agreed. Of those I was really hoping for Colorado Springs, but will take Fargo

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favorandgrace (May 22, 2018 - 6:06 pm)

Was also referred for Fargo but not the others. For some reason I was found ineligible for GS12 though.

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silvere2 (May 22, 2018 - 10:04 pm)

Same -- referred for Fargo, not the other offices. The wording of the email was weird: "Applicants have not been referred to the hiring manager at this time." The wording makes it seem like nobody was referred for the Colorado Springs and Billings openings, maybe they've been pulled for some reason?

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mch98 (May 23, 2018 - 12:03 am)

I think I got one of those and then a few days later got a referral.

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cratercity (May 23, 2018 - 10:37 am)

References being checked

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 10:42 am)

Good luck to you and I hope you get the position. Very cool. I still have one more interview, but all of mine have been with the Chicago region so hope they haven't started yet.

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cratercity (May 23, 2018 - 10:47 am)

No I’m not certain as of yet. I’m in court and just got a text.. I’m eligible for a GS-12 but heard rumors that they may make offers at GS-09, does anyone know if that’s true or has anyone in your interviews said anything?

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 10:50 am)

That would make sense, but haven't heard anything official.

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silvere2 (May 23, 2018 - 12:53 pm)

I hope this isn't the case. Don't they usually make offers to attorneys with experience at a GS-11?

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newkid504 (May 23, 2018 - 12:06 pm)

Any word with regard to the late April vacancy announcements? All I ever received was the tentative eligible email for some of the offices I applied to, but nothing since then.

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 1:08 pm)

Do you remember which offices? I would find the contact person and try to get in touch with them at this point.

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newkid504 (May 23, 2018 - 1:21 pm)

I applied to all of the Florida offices, the Mobile and Birmingham offices, the Charleston office, the Mississippi offices, and the Atlanta office, .

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 1:57 pm)

Gotcha. I have been contacted for a few interviews, but they have all been in the region where Chicago is the main city. The Atlanta region may be taking their time, but if it's been a few weeks I don't think you would have anything to lose by contacting the hiring contact.

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 2:35 pm)

Just to keep everyone in the loop. I received a phone call and I have been told to expect a tentative offer for the Mt. Pleasant office. I am being hired at the GS-12 level. They expect the start date to be June 11th. As far as I know I don't think my references were checked, but I am wondering since I had a federal job before this one if they just pulled my federal file.

Anyway, good luck all. I am going to do my due diligence and check with the other offices I interviewed for before accepting.

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mch98 (May 23, 2018 - 2:47 pm)

CONGRATULATIONS KRAMER!!!

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floridalawa (May 23, 2018 - 2:51 pm)

Congrats on being hired and on GS-12! I was expecting they would make all hires at GS-11. Do you know if they are hiring all lawyers with experience at GS-12, or how they distinguish? I am an experienced (non-government) attorney, though I am currently earning less than the GS-12 scale. I've heard current salary can be a factor for your GS placement too?

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silvere2 (May 23, 2018 - 3:06 pm)

Kramer, congrats man. I know you've been chasing this dream for a long time.

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newkid504 (May 23, 2018 - 3:44 pm)

Congratulations!!!! Go pop some bubbly.

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blackholelaw (May 24, 2018 - 2:33 pm)

Congrats Kramer!!! We've been pulling for you!

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cratercity (May 23, 2018 - 3:13 pm)

My man, congrats! Hopefully if they offer the rest of us they’ll extend the same courtesy regarding the grade!

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 3:18 pm)

I appreciate it. I wish I could give you some rationale as to why I was put at GS-12. I have the requisite experience to put me there, but was thinking they would still offer GS-9 because they can. I was working at the GS-9 level with the Small Business Administration in the temp position, but not sure how that was taken into consideration with this one.

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mch98 (May 23, 2018 - 3:23 pm)

Those jobs were posted at GS-11 and GS-12. The NHC was GS-11.

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 3:40 pm)

They are all mixed in my head at this point. Take GS-9 out of it. I just assumed they would go with the lower classification because they can. I am wondering if they went GS-12 with me for Mount Pleasant because it isn't the most popular duty station.

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mch98 (May 23, 2018 - 3:42 pm)

No, it was posted at that level. Mount Pleasant doesn't seem that bad. Close to some major cities and Lansing. College town. Could be a lot worse. I also heard the office is friendly--Apparently, there are a lot of new judges.

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 3:55 pm)

No worries. This is true. I wouldn't mind Mt. Pleasant. Will have to do research on the area. I have been there once to go to their casino, but never really explored the city.

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lawrunner317 (May 23, 2018 - 3:53 pm)

Congrats Kramer! I’ve been quietly pulling for you all these months and years. Finally!

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kramer716 (May 23, 2018 - 3:55 pm)

Sadly it has been months and years:) I appreciate the well wishes.

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whipster (May 23, 2018 - 3:56 pm)

Congrats Kramer! Now if you could send those interview questions my way I would appreciate it! Here's a throwaway email: [email protected]

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compassion (May 23, 2018 - 7:58 pm)

Congrats Kramer ;)

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 1:42 pm)

Thank you. The well wishes are appreciated.

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favorandgrace (May 24, 2018 - 10:11 am)

Congrats Kramer!!

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 1:49 pm)

Thank you

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 12:26 pm)

Kramer, Did your offer come from HR or from someone at the Hearing office? If they are going to get folks on board 6/11, offers would have to go out tomorrow since Monday is a holiday in order to allow two weeks notice. I doubt if they will make it.

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 1:41 pm)

My offer came from HR. It was from the main office in Chicago. It sounds like they want to start people at the beginning of the pay period, so next start date would be June 25th. Downward always talks about the SSA giving very quick notice with offers, and it appears he is right.

Also, not sure how long the background check takes. I have to get fingerprinted by May 30th,so not sure how fast the turnaround is there. When I was hired by the SBA for the temp job, I was fingerprinted and I don't think I heard yay or nay for about three weeks, but I am not sure exactly why that is. It could have been other factors.

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downwardslope (May 24, 2018 - 1:55 pm)

It is extremely fast. It took me like 4 days I think from when I overnighted it back. The real background check took 7 months though.

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 2:26 pm)

Oh, I thought yesterday you reported the start date is 6/11. It's been changed to 6/25? That's interesting.

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 2:41 pm)

Apologies. I was told June 11th. I heard from a different office that they like to do it with the start of pay periods, so the offices want people in place by June 11th, but if that is impossible the next start date is June 25th, but mine is June 11th as of now.

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favorandgrace (May 24, 2018 - 2:06 pm)

I got a request for references today from one of the offices I'm interviewing with. This request comes 2 weeks after taking the writing exam, and one week since my interview and since receipt of my official transcript and proof of bar membership. Crossing my fingers that the request for references is the last and final step in the hiring process, and hopefully soon I'll be reporting that I have an offer.

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 2:43 pm)

Good luck to you. I still am trying to figure out if my references were contacted for this one. I never heard from any of them so who the hell knows. Hopefully we are in the same training class.

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favorandgrace (May 24, 2018 - 4:26 pm)

Thank you! But how does training work? All the cities train on the same schedule?

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downwardslope (May 24, 2018 - 6:06 pm)

There is a local (immediate) and national training. The national can happen anytime your first year. The location depends on cost. People in the east tend to go to Baltimore or falls church while people in the West go to St. Louis. With the Midwest locations, it seems to be luck of the draw. I think NYC area has its own training center and does not come to the national training.

Local may be with just your office or with many offices. It depends on how they want to do it. I had a multi-office setup, but I know many people who had just their office.

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 7:23 pm)

I was told the first two weeks are in the office and then the third would be in St. Louis.

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 3:18 pm)

You took the writing test first before the interview? That makes sense but I think most folks had the interview first.

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favorandgrace (May 24, 2018 - 4:26 pm)

For one particular city, I took the writing test first, waited a week (I'm assuming to grade the test) Then was contacted for an interview. Had the interview last week, and a week later (today) was contacted for references.

For one other city, I had the interview and the writing test back to back.

For one other city, I had the writing test first, then was asked to schedule an interview right after.

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mch98 (May 24, 2018 - 4:39 pm)

You had to take multiple tests??? Was it the same test?

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 4:53 pm)

I only took the one writing test. I think if you hear something from a different region then you may have to take another writing test. For example, all my interviews have been in Chicago's region, but if say Miami interviewed me then I would have to do a separate writing test for them. I could be wrong, but that is the sense I get

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karma (May 24, 2018 - 8:20 pm)

No, that's not right. I interviewed in two regions and once one of the Chicago-region offices got a hold of my writing sample, I didn't need to worry about other Chicago region offices getting it. But I'm not sure other offices even had a region-it seemed like all of the other offices got a copy of the writing test individually, though I had to put some of them on notice I'd already taken it once.

But I only took it once, and considering it's a timed test that didn't vary across offices, it'd be unethical/unfair to take it more than once.

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downwardslope (May 24, 2018 - 8:45 pm)

Hopefully everyone just takes it once and they have some way of checking with other regions to verify that someone wasn’t selected for a job based on a retake after bombing it the first time around a week prior. That’s not fair to the office hiring them or to the other candidates that the person beat out who took the test fairly. I can understand if they want to regrade it to ensure the same grader(s) for the region, but it doesn’t make sense to have someone retake a test they saw a week or two prior.

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kramer716 (May 24, 2018 - 9:28 pm)

Fair enough. Wasn't sure if the SSA had one writing test to use across the board or if each region had their own individual test question.

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pam145 (May 26, 2018 - 10:24 am)

Has anyone interviewed for the oho position in Baltimore? Any word on when they are Hiring or making decisions or the number of positions available?

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cratercity (May 26, 2018 - 1:39 pm)

I haven't. They were calling some of my references between Tues-Thurs. Didn't call all of them, just a couple that I'm aware of. I'm not sure if that's typical or what? Nonetheless, I haven't heard anything since they told me that... idk if I'm just anxious and looking for a negative or what... but oh well.. to my understanding had to have his selection in by Thurs for this office to HR..

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pam145 (May 26, 2018 - 2:52 pm)

Interesting. I heard they are hiring from July to August. Did you interview and do the writing sample? I interviewed last week and did the writing sample then too.

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cratercity (May 26, 2018 - 3:28 pm)

Yes, I did two interviews and two writing samples. Both same region so that was odd to me. I believe they are localized to the specific hearing office. It was the same writing test, but I disclosed that and submitted the same response. They didn't say anything except giving me confirmation that they had received it. It was the second one that called a handful of my references, though.

I'm just hoping HR hasn't done anything with the recommendation based on the deadline for his recommendation and its correlation to the holiday weekend. Ha, maybe I'm just being naive. Nonetheless, congrats on the writing sample and the interview!

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pam145 (May 26, 2018 - 7:25 pm)

Congrats to you as well. I didn’t get a confirmation from them stating that they received it. Did both of your interviews send a confirmation?

Now I’m a little freaked out lol

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cratercity (May 26, 2018 - 7:30 pm)

Yes, they sent a form email saying that they had received the writing. However, I did both of my writing prompts prior to the interview. Not at the same time, not sure if that matters.

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pam145 (May 26, 2018 - 7:42 pm)

Ok they had me do the Interview first, then the writing sample later that week. Did you interview at the p... ave location??

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cratercity (May 26, 2018 - 8:45 pm)

I did not .. mine were all in the Atlanta region.

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mch98 (May 27, 2018 - 12:27 am)

Downward Slope, I was wondering if you could contact me at
[email protected] I have a question that I wanted to ask about Chicago land but don't want to post it on the board. Thanks so much.

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downwardslope (May 27, 2018 - 9:11 am)

Sent.

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lawyermom1 (May 27, 2018 - 9:35 pm)

hey group-first time poster, but following this thread. have an interview in falls church on Tuesday and I was wondering if someone could possibly send me an email with information about the interviews (what to expect, writing test, etc). [email protected] Thanks in advance!

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john09 (May 27, 2018 - 9:52 pm)

Are you interviewing for the NCAC or Appeals Council positions? Both offices are located in Falls Church.

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lawyermom1 (May 28, 2018 - 1:34 pm)

NCAC.

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sarah8901 (Jun 3, 2018 - 5:10 pm)

How did it go? I interviewed on Wednesday.

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john09 (May 30, 2018 - 9:11 pm)

FYI, per Trump's executive order, federal agencies can no longer agree to erase, remove, alter, or withhold information such as adverse personnel actions (i.e., terminations due to poor performance or misconduct).

You can no longer resign in lieu of termination. Management can no longer promise or give clean records to individuals who resign to avoid an adverse personnel action. Anyone who gets fired will be stuck with a permanent adverse notation on his on her record. Trump's executive order affects all federal employees.

BEWARE IF MANAGEMENT PROMISES TO GIVE YOU A CLEAN RECORD IF YOU RESIGN. THE EXECUTIVE ORDER PROHIBITS SUCH ACTIONS.

See link: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-promoting-accountability-streamlining-removal-procedures-consistent-merit-system-principles/

Sec. 5. Ensuring Integrity of Personnel Files. Agencies shall not agree to erase, remove, alter, or withhold from another agency any information about a civilian employee’s performance or conduct in that employee’s official personnel records, including an employee’s Official Personnel Folder and Employee Performance File, as part of, or as a condition to, resolving a formal or informal complaint by the employee or settling an administrative challenge to an adverse personnel action.

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karma (May 31, 2018 - 9:30 am)

That's a good reminder, but maybe more applicable to the BVA thread than the SSA thread.

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pam145 (May 31, 2018 - 4:35 am)

Has anyone interviewed for the oho position in Baltimore Maryland as a decision writer????

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mch98 (May 31, 2018 - 3:13 pm)

I heard Chicagoland SSA offices sent out written references with a return date of Monday. So, you might want to ask your references to turn them around quickly.

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newkid504 (Jun 4, 2018 - 8:38 am)

Received my first denial for Region IV: Raleigh, North Carolina.

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favorandgrace (Jun 4, 2018 - 10:11 am)

Same. Raleigh only referred Vets.

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fish67 (Jun 4, 2018 - 9:08 am)

Same. Any other new intel from Region IV?

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fish67 (Jun 4, 2018 - 9:25 am)

Also, does anyone know if the Baltimore or Falls Church Appeals Council offices have started interviewing?

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lawyermom1 (Jun 7, 2018 - 9:20 pm)

just got an email from SSA saying that there are going to do phone interviews next week. But then I got a call from Baltimore, asking them to call me back to set up an interview. This is for the Appeals Council positions.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 4, 2018 - 11:55 am)

I had my interview last week-panel interview and writing test right afterwards (for NCAC) Prior to the interview they had me send references. Does anyone know the turnaround? Like fish67, I would also be interested to hear if anyone has interviewed for Falls Church Appeals Council. I got referred and a call from SSA HR saying that I would be getting a call for an interview.

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chilawtodc (Jun 5, 2018 - 6:02 pm)

@lawyermom1 - Was your call from SSA HR re: the posting of 30 vacancies in Falls Church? Do you live in the DMV area? Was referred but haven't received a call from SSA HR yet re: interview. When did you receive referral notice? Wondering if they are making interview setup calls in waves.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 6, 2018 - 7:59 pm)

My call was SSA HR in Chicago. I had left a VM for someone and they called me back saying that all my stuff was reviewed and I was referred and should be contacted soon for an interview. My online status for both Baltimore and Falls Church says reviewed, but no interview yet for the Appeals Council jobs. Maybe won't get one?

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fish67 (Jun 6, 2018 - 9:04 pm)

I was also referred for both Baltimore and Falls Church Appeals Council and nothing since. Would love to know if either office has begun interviews.

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chilawtodc (Jun 7, 2018 - 10:23 am)

@lawyermom1 - good luck!
@fish67 - My friend also still has not heard from either Baltimore and Falls Church after being referred. Fingers crossed all around!

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jun 7, 2018 - 9:40 pm)

hearing interviews are next week for the appeals council

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newkid504 (Jun 4, 2018 - 5:09 pm)

How challenging is it to write two favorable decisions a day? How many pages might a decision be?

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cratercity (Jun 4, 2018 - 7:33 pm)

pages are usually around 10+ however to my understanding its largely copy and paste. I am a claimant rep and the ones I get are largely the same. I definitely see the same language a lot.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 6, 2018 - 8:01 pm)

my references are being checked. anyone know if that is a sign they are moving closer to an offer? also is anyone considering the HHS OMHA jobs that were posted?

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fish67 (Jun 6, 2018 - 9:09 pm)

I also applied for the Arlington OMHA position. Nothing since.

Good luck with the NCAC. I hope you get an offer!

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cratercity (Jun 7, 2018 - 8:06 am)

Depends on the office that is hiring. The hiring manager is the one that checks references. It’s not a bad sign obviously, but some hiring managers check all applicants references but most only check the “final” applicants if they’re having problems deciding between a select few or the selected applicant as a formality. It’s never a sure thing till you have an offer sadly.

Then depending on the region you are in, regional office can tie things up for a while even after they’ve selected their applicant. Just don’t hold your breath and keep interviewing and applying.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 7, 2018 - 12:21 pm)

thanks for the quick response! appreciate the insight.

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cratercity (Jun 7, 2018 - 1:07 pm)

no problem. how many/ what offices did you apply to? I only did Ky/Tn postings because that's where I'm located. Did two interviews a couple of weeks ago, one office checked references haven't heard anything since.

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fish67 (Jun 7, 2018 - 1:47 pm)

I applied to a few TN and other SE postings and have heard nothing from any of them. Crater city, did you interview for TN? I’m also located in the area and would prefer to stay local or head to DC.

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cratercity (Jun 7, 2018 - 3:30 pm)

I didn't interview in TN. Only in Kentucky and West Virginia.

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fish67 (Jun 7, 2018 - 6:34 pm)

Thanks, and good luck.

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kramer716 (Jun 7, 2018 - 12:40 pm)

I start with the Mt. Pleasant office on Monday, so hopefully, I will be able to meet some of you when we get trained in Falls Church.

I wish I could give you advice as to why I was successful this go around versus the numerous times I have been slapped down in the past. I can tell you what I screwed up in the past. First, when I first started applying for these positions and other federal positions, I used a resume I created. I heard nothing but crickets. I used the USAJOBS resume builder, and I started to get a lot more hits, so I would highly recommend using their resume builder.

Second, just keep pounding away. I had a few interviews over the last 18 months or so before I had the one with Mt. Pleasant. I do think my answers improved as I had interview after interview, so if you tank your first interview, no worries. You will improve.

Anyway, I will post Monday night once the first day is over. Good luck to you all and I hope to see you soon in training.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 7, 2018 - 1:56 pm)

Kramer, how long between the interview, reference check and offer? Was the offer via email or phone call? Sorry for so many questions.

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kramer716 (Jun 7, 2018 - 5:03 pm)

No worries. The interview was May 8th. I had no idea when they did the reference check, but I would assume in a week or two following the interview, and I was offered end of May. I was called to say I received a tentative offer, and they emailed me the tentative offer. I received the permanent offer about a week and a half ago. They were pretty fast, but it does depend on the office. I applied for a job with Albuquerque last year, and I was originally told I was not selected, but six months later I interviewed. I didn't get the job, but I interviewed, so if you haven't heard anything don't worry. Just keep chipping away.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 7, 2018 - 7:39 pm)

Thanks for the quick response! Congratulations! I agree on the resume builder-I did that at the end of 2016 and got quite a few jobs interviews with the feds...but timing was off. So here I am again!

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blackholelaw (Jul 19, 2018 - 12:10 pm)

so Kramer, how is the gig?

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jd1988 (Jun 7, 2018 - 4:13 pm)

I accepted an offer at a NHC. It was extremely quick but they weren't hiring a lot of people so they didn't have a lot to process. I do know that there are staggered start dates throughout regions the beginning of every pay period until the end of August with training scheduled through September. Since there is a start date of 6/25, I would anticipate some offers to go out tomorrow. The offer was by phone by HR with a follow up email. Good luck!

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jinomas (Jun 8, 2018 - 8:05 am)

Congratulations.

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pam145 (Jun 7, 2018 - 9:49 pm)

Got and accepted offer in balt

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jinomas (Jun 8, 2018 - 8:05 am)

Congratulations.

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favorandgrace (Jun 8, 2018 - 1:49 pm)

Did anyone else get the email from OAO in Falls Church and Baltimore about advancing in the interview process? The e-mail said they were looking to have people start from late July to early August, and that work will begin with a 6 week training.

What is the difference between OAO and the hearing offices?

This was a GS-11 permanent position posting with advancement to GS12. Wonder if they give offers at GS12 if you qualify.

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fish67 (Jun 8, 2018 - 3:44 pm)

I got the same email. From what I can gather, I don’t think the OAO will start anyone at GS12, although I hope I’m wrong about that.

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jinomas (Jun 8, 2018 - 7:33 pm)

No, they won't start you at GS-12. At management discretion, your salary may be set at a higher step if you previously held a Federal position at the same or higher grade level (SF-50s must be provided).

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jinomas (Jun 8, 2018 - 7:37 pm)

The OAO positions are part of the next level of administrative appeals process. At the hearing office, you're helping Administrative Law Judges (ALJ) directly. At the NCACs, you're writing decision for ALJs that you don't get to meet in person. At OAO, you're reviewing ALJ decisions that have been appealed within the agency on behalf of Appeals Officers and Administrative Appeals Judges.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 9, 2018 - 11:00 am)

i got that email as well.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jun 9, 2018 - 1:24 pm)

Different offices give different overtime amounts. From what I have heard, the Appeals Council gets 8 hours of overtime per week and the NCAC gets 12 hours of ot per week (and the NHC gets 18 hours of overtime a week). I think it was unlimited overtime a the NCAC in Baltimore (so maybe Baltimore and Falls Church get different overtime amounts). I think in Baltimore, they also get 4 days of telework a week, whereas Falls Church only gets 3. OT in the NCAC has been consistent from what I have heard for years (it is paid time and a half). There are also GS 13 spots in the NCAC (and they can work overtime as well), but not so many GS 14 spots. There may be more opportunities for a GS 14 at the Appeals Council, but I am not sure how their overtime situation is.

At the NCAC, you write the ALJ decision based on instructions provided by the ALJ. At the AC, you review already issued decisions for errors, fraud, additional evidence, etc. All in all, not a bad job-it's basically a six figure federal government gig.

For the AC, the below HALLEX is helpful:
https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/hallex/I-03/I-3-0.html
For exit options, you want to try to get into the court case prep and review branch at the AC, as that branch tends to have better exit options to OGC

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jd1988 (Jun 9, 2018 - 2:36 pm)

What is the OT rate? Thanks.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jun 9, 2018 - 2:47 pm)

depends on your hourly salary (time and a half based on your hourly salary)-so like 60+ bucks an hour for gs 12 and 70+ bucks an hour for gs 13; it's pretty easy to make over six figures (depending on how much ot you want to work, you are maybe in that 120-130k range or more depending on grade/step

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newkid504 (Jun 9, 2018 - 2:39 pm)

Is it just a higher grade attorney that does court case prep and review at the AC? Are these positions usually only advertised internally? If so, only advertised to AC folks or all those within SSA?

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jun 9, 2018 - 4:20 pm)

There are different branches at the appeals council that you can be assigned to. In a regular branch, you are going to be reviewing decisions, but in other branches like the court branch and rsi, you will get additional nuanced experience

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karma (Jun 8, 2018 - 3:37 pm)

For those of you who've accepted, were you given a link to eqip? I got an email that said to expect eqip if required, and I got a registration code for eqip, but that registration email said that I'd get "separate communication from your sponsoring agency with instructions on the utilization of this Registration Code for establishing your e-QIP account." I haven't gotten that yet. Did anyone?
Do we have to do eqip for these positions?

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downwardslope (Jun 8, 2018 - 4:21 pm)

Yes. It took me like 8 months to finish the process, but I didn’t get a link to e-QIP until I had actually started. Others got it before they started.

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karma (Jun 9, 2018 - 9:47 pm)

Thanks. Were you interviewed specifically for the background check? I've had fed jobs where they go and knock on your neighbor's door and others where your references get a postcard and yet another where I think there was little more than fingerprinting and a background check. Wondering what this one was like.

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jd1988 (Jun 8, 2018 - 5:10 pm)

It was extremely fast. The day after I was fingerprinted, I received an email from HR with a formal offer and the e-quip link and password were in that email. I filled most of it out but have not submitted it. I start on 6/25 and it is due on 6/22.

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jdthrowaway12 (Jun 9, 2018 - 5:10 pm)

How have you guys handled being asked to take the writing test again for a different office? Have you just taken it again, or have you submitted a previous answer (of course telling the hiring office that you're doing so)?

Thanks!

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kramer716 (Jun 12, 2018 - 5:01 pm)

Just tell the other office that you already submitted an answer. THey will get a hold of the regional office to obtain a copy.

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floridalawa (Jun 11, 2018 - 2:58 pm)

Has anyone been contacted yet who applied to any of the Florida SSA offices? I'm wondering if they've already reached out to applicants about interviews, or how far down the road they plan to do so.

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mtbislife (Jun 12, 2018 - 3:34 pm)

No word from FL yet here.

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kramer716 (Jun 12, 2018 - 5:02 pm)

Regarding the TN openings, no clue about the rest of them but I just received an email from the Chattanooga office asking if I want to take the writing test, so it looks like they are starting the hiring process

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downwardslope (Jun 12, 2018 - 6:38 pm)

Didn’t you start already? How is it going? It sounds like everything is more regimented this go round with training.

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kramer716 (Jun 12, 2018 - 7:32 pm)

Just finished the second day and so far so good. It does seem to be regimented for the training. It looks like the DC portion of the show will be beginning of July

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mch98 (Jun 12, 2018 - 6:48 pm)

Yes, Kramer, how is it going? I'm not sure if I shared this, but I am starting on 6/25. You can email me at [email protected] if you want.

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kramer716 (Jun 12, 2018 - 9:00 pm)

Congratulations. I sent you an email. Do you have to move to your new office or are you local? Good luck.

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purplemarker1 (Jun 13, 2018 - 10:10 am)

Got a referral for OGC the other day. Really hoping for an interview. If anyone gets one, hollar at me. Thanks!

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jd1988 (Jun 13, 2018 - 11:39 am)

Good luck. I was not referred to that because it said I didn't furnish enough information. Weird.

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jinomas (Jun 13, 2018 - 1:42 pm)

The proof of bar admission requirement was written kind of strangely. At first it made me think they wanted a letter of good standing, but then it said you could also use the certificate that they give you after you first swear in. What did you submit?

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mch98 (Jun 13, 2018 - 4:33 pm)

I took a photo of my attorney registration card, which was sufficient for the other federal jobs I applied to this year. I would be upset if I didn't have another offer because that looks like a good job. I would have no idea where whatever certificate they gave me many years ago would be!!

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jdthrowaway12 (Jun 14, 2018 - 7:06 pm)

Received a tentative offer for the Falls Church NCAC yesterday. Going to accept the offer. Good luck to the rest of you waiting!

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jd1988 (Jun 14, 2018 - 8:20 pm)

Congrats. When is your start date?

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jdthrowaway12 (Jun 14, 2018 - 10:13 pm)

Thanks! No start date yet, maybe after I return my onboarding forms and fingerprints.

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jd1988 (Jun 15, 2018 - 2:33 am)

That's interesting. My start date was in my offer.

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lawandorder (Jun 15, 2018 - 8:22 am)

That's wonderful! Congrats!

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lawyermom1 (Jun 15, 2018 - 9:03 pm)

me too! Very excited! I also did not receive a start date in my offer email. congratulations!

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jd1988 (Jun 15, 2018 - 11:42 pm)

Congrats! They are training through September so they may be figuring out logistics.

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jdthrowaway12 (Jun 16, 2018 - 12:03 am)

Congrats to you too! Hopefully they turn around with the firm offer quickly; I've already gotten all my onboarding docs in.

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jd1988 (Jun 16, 2018 - 2:18 am)

I received mine the day after fingerprinting, but they may be backlogged now. It was about two weeks ago.

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chilawtodc (Jun 17, 2018 - 10:42 am)

Congratulations everyone!
@lawyermom1 - are you going to wait to hear from OAO? Hoping we hear back soon!

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lawyermom1 (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:32 am)

I would very much like to receive an offer from OAO, but my conditional offer was going to expire on Monday, so I needed to start the process. I have previous federal service, so I am trying to get that all squared away.

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kelsen1 (Jun 15, 2018 - 2:15 pm)

I just noticed that there is what I believe is this post about (a position), it is in Dallas and there are 3 vacancies. Due date is today. Do you think I should apply or as long as just 3 openings are available I shouldn't even try it?

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mch98 (Jun 15, 2018 - 5:37 pm)

If you don't try, you won't get it.

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kelsen1 (Jun 15, 2018 - 7:13 pm)

You are totally correct!!

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whipster (Jun 16, 2018 - 8:43 pm)

I was called for an interview for a 2 position opening, so hope that you went for it! Had to reject due to making way more than the gs11 they were offering.

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startupesq (Jun 17, 2018 - 11:23 am)

I interviewed for two different hearing offices and only took one writing test. One of the hearing offices asked for references, but the other did not and I received an offer. I was also called for the OAO position. I declined both offers because I received another offer from a different agency that goes to GS-14. Good luck to all in the process! I have prior SSA experience so ymmv.

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nubiansage (Jun 17, 2018 - 2:44 pm)

For those who got a "not referred" stay encouraged. I got a non referral for one of the AA openings on the West Coast back in April/May. However, I just recently got an email yesterday from that same non referral position asking whether if I was still interested and whether I have the ability to start July 7th (next month).

The problem is that I'm already employed by the Feds in a non legal perm position and just finished my first year with the agency with a pay increase to GS-11 effective next month. While I do love the job, I would much prefer to be working as an attorney and I am eligible to start as a GS-12 if they offer the position. But being that the AA job is a term position it's a bit risky and probably something that I likely won't pursue any further at this point.

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floridalawa (Jun 17, 2018 - 4:30 pm)

Congrats on the offer, whether or not you decide to accept it. When did you interview with the office that asked if you could start July 7th? Seems they're all moving fast once they begin contacting for interviews.

That's great that they're offering GS-12 to start. I wonder if that's only offered to current fed employees or if it's based on years of experience or current salary.

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hopefulesq71 (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:41 am)

Greetings,

I had my interview in Falls Church last week and it went well. I took the writing test the next day. At the interview, I was encouraged to ask HR for a GS 12 step 10 since that's what I left the Fed service with. So they said it's possible that I could pick up where I left off with my service. Also, b/c I have 5 years in, I will accrue 6 hours of sick/annual leave as opposed to 4 which is great. So I am going to push for GS 12 step 10 if/when offered the position. What's the worse thing they can say? No?.

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jd1988 (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:02 pm)

I was able to get a GS 12 by showing a very old SP 50 showing that I was at that grade a million years ago when I clerked for a federal judge.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:41 pm)

If you can show a SF-50 then they will do that for you. they said to bring your leave and something else form to orientation. i asked the person who was my HR representative in the email.

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cratercity (Jun 17, 2018 - 7:10 pm)

Maybe this is obvious to everyone else but what is one to do if they are working in private practice and received and offer with a rather quick start date.. it’s hard to handle the clients in such a short amount of time..

In some areas the selecting official made their selections weeks ago and , I have on good authority, they’re wanting them to start two weeks from tomorrow.: and HR hasn’t even notified the applicants?

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floridalawa (Jun 18, 2018 - 12:16 am)

That happened to someone I know. Was working in public interest and the SSA gave them an offer with a start date only 13 days away. They turned it down because it was just too short notice to give the current employer and not enough time to relocate.

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hopefulesq71 (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:44 am)

cratecity,

I am also in private practice and have active clients with pending cases. Interestingly, this issue wasn't brought up during my interview, but I will have to address it if/when offered the position. I will have to refer out and do motions to w/draw since it will most likely be a conflict of interest to work for one Fed agency and represent clients against another fed agency.

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mtbislife (Jun 18, 2018 - 2:34 pm)

Anyone advancing with Chattanooga?

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hopefulesq71 (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:45 am)

Greetings,

Does SSA offer loan repayment plan? If so, how soon do you qualify for it?

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 10:17 am)

No.

Qualifies for PSLF, though.

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hopefulesq71 (Jun 19, 2018 - 10:28 am)

Thanks govlaw. My previous agency offered loan repayment plan..it was nice while it lasted...:-).

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chasman33 (Jun 19, 2018 - 6:37 pm)

I don't know if this was asked about, but if you take a decision writer job and a few months later find a permanent position with another agency, does that present any issues? I've applied for a number of jobs, but if I take a slot at SSA and find something else down the road, I don't want to be foreclosed from taking it. Does that mean I should wait for the permanent job before accepting an SSA gig? Thanks.

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 6:49 pm)

My understanding is that if you accept a position at SSA at GS11 and started, you wouldn’t be eligible for a job at a higher grade.

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chasman33 (Jun 19, 2018 - 6:52 pm)

Thanks, govlaw. So, the first GS grade I start with, whether temp or permanent job, is my starting point for all future positions, is that right?

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2018 - 7:14 pm)

Two things. First, the way I was told of my start date is I was called by the HR people in Chicago and said that I was being offered for Mt. PLeasant and they wanted me to start June 11th. This made me believe that the good people in the Mt. Pleasant office were the ones who said the June 11th start date. I get to the office on June 11th, and they told me that the first they learned I was coming aboard was Friday June 8th, so they had no clue. If you get a start date that is short-notice, call HR and see if you can get a different start date. I think you will probably be fine as long as you can work it so you can get to an in-person training. I don't think they will reject you if you ask for a slightly later start date. My office was supposed to hire another attorney to start June 25th and I was told he got a new date of July 9th.

Second, if you are going to the training on July 9th, any idea where it will be? I thought I heard Falls Church, but still not confirmed so it could be anywhere.

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floridalawa (Jun 19, 2018 - 7:42 pm)

Thanks for all the helpful info. Good to hear that start date may be negotiable.

Anyone know how soon you're eligible to do flex schedule, and what is allowed? If I get the job, I'd possibly be commuting from far away, so longer days/shorter work week and avoiding rush hour would be best.

Also, how soon to get benefits? Any compensation given for bar dues and CLEs?

Lastly, any experiences showing if the GS level is negotiable? For example if you get offered GS-11, but have the years of experience for GS-12.

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jd1988 (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:09 pm)

I'd like to know the answers to most of your questions, but I do know that health insurance kicks in the first day of the pay period after you start assuming you get the forms in.

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:09 pm)

At HQ, training for 5-6 weeks was on a fixed schedule, then you can come in between 6am and 930am every day. If you want to do 4-10s you have to fill out a form that is only available at certain times of the year.

Health insurance etc start immediately. No money for CLEs or bar dues. There’s a certain number of hours of free leave you can take for CLEs, but I’m barred in a state that doesn’t require them.

They won’t negotiate on GS11 unless you have previous federal service, but you can ask.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:33 pm)

I don't think they require a form for doing 4 10 hour days per week in my office, but I provide the caveat that I will never do that so I never really pursued it and I could be wrong.

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jd1988 (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:38 pm)

What about the annual attorney license? I assume we have to cover that?

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:44 pm)

You are responsible for Bar dues.

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floridalawa (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:03 pm)

thanks for clearing that up! What's the timeline for going up steps in the pay scale? If starting at GS-11, is it Step 1,2,3 for years 1,2,3 and so on until the next grade increase?

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:13 pm)

No. Gs-12 is automatic after 1 year, non competitive. After that, steps 2-4 are after a year, and the other steps are less frequently. To get GS-13, you have to apply for it. You are eligible after 52 weeks at GS-12.

The step increases are explained in better detail on the opm.gov website.

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floridalawa (Jun 20, 2018 - 1:36 am)

got it. thanks!

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2018 - 8:50 pm)

Yes, you can negotiate the GS level. There are a couple of people who were prior claimant’s reps in my office who were able to start at GS-12 without federal experience. I think it’s also possible in some cases if you have prior ALJ/hearing officer experience outside the feds. Otherwise, it’s nearly impossible.

Even though the flex schedule (4/10 and the 9-hour day with one day off every pay period) is only available twice a year for sign up, credit time is always available. You will not be able to do credit unless you do the standard 8-hour day option, but you can accrue up to 24 hours at a time to be carried over from pay period to pay period. Many people do this instead of the 4/10 or 9-hour option and take a day off every week or every other week anyway without having to commit to 6 months of the same day. For example, I have one coworker who has a long commute and she often works credit to avoid having to come in one of her in-office days. There are a few others in my office who do this as well. The first 3 years, we don’t get a lot of vacation, but having the ability to get the credit time really does help out a lot.

FWIW, we are not allowed to start working in my office until 6:30, so not all offices start at 6. We can log in and tech support is available from 6 so we can make sure our computers are working from our telework locations and go into the building before then to hook our computers up and do updates. However, we cannot clock in until 6:30.

You may be able to get some CLEs if you are licensed in Florida. Many of the in-house CLEs do get certified for Florida, but not all of them do. They are only one hour every quarter, but every hour helps. They will also give you the information if needed to get in touch with the bar for national training to get CLEs for that. Many people in my group got most of their review period CLEs just from that. My office also has an OGC training annually that may come with credit if you are in the right state. I am not, but it helps the people who get jobs in the state where they are licensed.

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govlaw (Jun 19, 2018 - 9:00 pm)

FWIW, I heard about someone in HQ who was using credit hours to work 4-10s and take off Fridays regularly. He got a talking to about this “pattern of behavior” and was told he had to fill out the form if this is the schedule he wanted. Bureaucracy for you.

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floridalawa (Jun 20, 2018 - 1:39 am)

thanks, downwardslope!

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cratercity (Jun 21, 2018 - 7:49 am)

I got a couple of T.O.s (yay), unfortunately, they came in as GS-9 despite having 3 years of claimant's rep experience.. and 3 years out of law school.. any hope of moving up in the ladder? if so, what's the best methodology?

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downwardslope (Jun 21, 2018 - 8:20 am)

I would see if you can negotiate, particularly if it was full-time experience. Someone in my office said it took some back and forth, but she got the bump up. My understanding is that they are trying to bring people in as cheaply as possible, but many offices aren’t even offering GS-9 so you could theoretically be applying to the GS-11 places and be getting offers there for an 11... I don’t know why you’d take a 9.

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floridalawa (Jun 21, 2018 - 9:01 am)

Congrats cratercity! How long past your interview did the offer come, if you don't mind? Hopefully the GS-9 is negotiable.

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cratercity (Jun 21, 2018 - 9:52 am)

About a month. Who do I need to contact? The Hiring Office supervisor?

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floridalawa (Jun 21, 2018 - 10:16 am)

Interesting. I interviewed this Monday and they seem to be moving fast with setting up the writing test and contacting references. I wonder if it'll be slower from here on out before they make a decision.

I would think addressing it with whomever contacted you with the offer would be the first step, and then they may put you in touch with the right contact person or forward it to them.

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cratercity (Jun 21, 2018 - 11:13 am)

It depends on the Region, some are slower than others. The hearing offices may be quick but sometimes HR takes a little longer because they're having to handle several hearing offices.

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kramer716 (Jun 21, 2018 - 8:34 pm)

Congratulations on the offer!

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cratercity (Jun 24, 2018 - 12:39 pm)

Thanks Kramer. I’m getting kind of frustrated - not to mention insulted about the GS-9 thing. The offices are acting like HR is in charge and HR is acting like the offices make the selection. If they don’t respect me enough to be reasonable, I might be forced to turn them down which is annoying because i wanted it badly. If it was a permanent position it would be one thing but it’s not

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kramer716 (Jun 24, 2018 - 5:55 pm)

I am from the school of thought that HR is in charge and they are dictating to the offices. My office didn't know I was coming until the Friday before I started, and even then not everyone in the office knew I was coming. They had to do a meeting to show me around so no one would call security on me. Anyway, if you have the leverage see if you can negotiate the GS. No clue if you can, but worth the shot.

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fish67 (Jun 25, 2018 - 11:07 pm)

Ugh, cratercity, GS-9 is rough. I assume that your TOs are from offices in Region 4? I have interviewed in that region but haven’t heard anything. I really hope you are able to negotiate up to GS-11. Congrats on the offers, nonetheless!

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abc123 (Jun 25, 2018 - 2:59 pm)

Does anyone know when offers will go out for falls church hq?

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jdthrowaway12 (Jun 25, 2018 - 5:49 pm)

The NCAC? If you scroll up you'll see that both I and another user received offers about 10 days ago.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 25, 2018 - 10:46 pm)

Has anyone heard from OAO after their interview? Also, has anyone for Falls Church gotten a start date? I just did my finger printing today.

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fish67 (Jun 25, 2018 - 11:03 pm)

I haven’t heard anything at all from OAO since the interview.

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lawyermom1 (Jun 26, 2018 - 8:50 am)

Thanks for the quick reply! I may reach out to the contact in the posting to check status.

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abc123 (Jun 26, 2018 - 9:56 am)

Congrats re NCAC! I was curious about OAO though. Lawyermom1, if you get an update will you let us know?

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favorandgrace (Jun 26, 2018 - 12:12 pm)

I haven't heard back from the Falls Church/ Baltimore OAO yet either. It makes me feel better that no one else has as well. After my interview, they let me know they would be making their selections once interviewing was over. Interviews ended June 15th, so I was expecting them to make offers last week which they have not.

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favorandgrace (Jun 26, 2018 - 12:14 pm)

Got referred for a couple of Alabama hearing offices. Also got referred to Miami, FL hearing office a few days ago. Also scheduled a interview for a California area office.

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floridalawa (Jun 26, 2018 - 3:25 pm)

Referred as in a USAjobs status update, or did they email you? Did you get notice of this or did you check USAjobs to find out?

Thanks!

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favorandgrace (Jun 26, 2018 - 3:39 pm)

Got referral e-mails from opmstaffing.usajobs.gov.

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kramer716 (Jun 30, 2018 - 8:59 pm)

One thing I don't believe I mentioned. I think either I said or someone else said that they are doing 5 classes for training. This is true and it's not true. What do I mean? My first two weeks in the office my day was 8 AM to 4:30 PM. I loved the schedule and then I received the schedule for virtual training. My virtual training is 9 until 5:30 so they can do people in the central time zone as well as the eastern. I am guessing they are alternating training classes between east/central and mountain/pacific, so it is probably not five sessions you are eligible for. It is more than likely two to three.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jul 1, 2018 - 9:39 am)

Word is they are hiring like 4 or 5 hundred new decision writers in this hiring wave. So you figure that will be about 500 more decisions getting drafted a day (not sure how long the backlog will last). I am hearing Appeals council will try to start new hires in July sometime

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underemployedlawyer (Jul 2, 2018 - 9:13 am)

For terms or permanent ?

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downwardslope (Jul 2, 2018 - 9:23 am)

The positions have been a variety of terms and permanent, but most have been terms. It seems like the most common is a 4-year-term hire.

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underemployedlawyer (Jul 2, 2018 - 9:35 am)

Do they tend to rehire termed people? If not where do People tend to go? Thanks

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jul 2, 2018 - 9:43 am)

They can convert you to permanent in the decision writer job, but they factor in your performance in deciding whether to convert you.

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underemployedlawyer (Jul 2, 2018 - 10:42 am)

Thanks!

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lawyermom1 (Jul 3, 2018 - 1:04 pm)

Has anyone successfully changed their EOD date? They gave me a weeks notice to accept and start and obviously I can't do that to my current employer. I asked for some flexibility or I would have to decline the job.

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cratercity (Jul 3, 2018 - 2:22 pm)

I've had some flexibility but it's because HR is backed up and can't process everything as timely as they would like with the holiday. I've had several offers from different regions, and they've all seemed flexible. I don't think they would reasonably ask you to quit with a week's notice and turn you down if you don't. That just doesn't make sense. They would have to go through the onboarding process with someone else, so it's going to delay the start day one , if not two, pay periods anyways. Just my two cents.

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favorandgrace (Jul 3, 2018 - 1:44 pm)

What is the difference between a 4 year term appointment, and being a permanent employee? What does the permanent employee enjoy that the term one doesn't enjoy?

In a 4 year term, is it likely that you spend the whole 4 year term there?

Also, if you transfer to another job within, lets say, 2 years, do you carry over that year with you? Like, do you no longer have to serve a probationary period at the new job?


Just had an interview 3 days ago and I'm crossing my fingers that I get the offer. I have had 7 interviews and no offers yet.

Thanks!

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mtbislife (Jul 3, 2018 - 2:10 pm)

Seven interviews, wow good luck!

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cratercity (Jul 3, 2018 - 2:27 pm)

From my understanding, permanent employees, obviously enjoy a permanent placement. I don't think as a term employment you get competitive status so you can't transfer as easily as if you were permanent. I read somewhere that terms often, if not almost always, get their terms extended or offered a permanent position at the end of the term - but for the life of me I can't remember where so I don't know how to back it up. That may also differ between agencies if true.

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downwardslope (Jul 3, 2018 - 3:11 pm)

The main differences between the term and the permanent are that the permanent employee has a 2-year probationary period and then has access to the merit systems protection board and union protections once they make it out of probation. Additionally, the agency offers detail or temporary appointments for current employees only that are only available to permanent employees. Internal vacancies are also only available to permanent, non-probationary employees.

Typically probation does not transfer. I know current fed employees who had to do a new probationary period in this job because they were in different federal jobs. I know in my office we had people who did not make it as paralegal writers and they were not extended out of probation and were sent back to their prior jobs within the agency. You do have to meet performance metrics either within your probationary period or within your term to be held on. As a result, it is much easier to fire people on a 4-year term appointment than it is to fire a person on year three who is a perm employee who made it out of probation but then just started to perform poorly because they have to be put on a performance plan before they can be fired.

It is also my understanding that with term employees, there are times where people can be bought on as permanent and then the supervisor can recommend that people come on based on performance. I am not sure how often that happens. At this point, the backlog is decreasing, so it may happen less and less if they figure they might not need all the people they are hiring on. It may also be in an office-by-office situation.

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lawyermom1 (Jul 5, 2018 - 11:03 am)

Anyone hear from OAO yet? Also, Falls Church and Baltimore just posted a new listing for applicants on USA jobs. https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/504119100

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favorandgrace (Jul 5, 2018 - 11:50 am)

I haven't heard anything since my interview.

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lawyermom1 (Jul 5, 2018 - 8:03 pm)

just heard back from OAO today and got an offer! I had to decline the NCAC job b/c of a start date issue, but hopefully this will all get worked out OAO.

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izzymandelbaum (Jul 5, 2018 - 8:45 pm)

Cool. They tell you when you start? Maybe I’ll be training you.

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lawyermom1 (Jul 6, 2018 - 7:32 am)

No, but I emailed the HR representative. In the initial email for the interview it said late July or August. But I am hoping to get a more firm answer later today or early next week.

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lawyermom1 (Jul 9, 2018 - 4:02 pm)

izzymandelbaum, can I email you privately with questions? my email is [email protected]

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izzymandelbaum (Jul 9, 2018 - 9:05 pm)

Emailed you.

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lawyermom1 (Jul 9, 2018 - 9:23 pm)

izzymandelbaum, i apologize! the correct email is [email protected]

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izzymandelbaum (Jul 10, 2018 - 8:41 am)

Email me. [email protected]

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readyforachange706 (Jul 6, 2018 - 12:14 pm)

Did you receive the offer by email or phone? And for which office?

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lawyermom1 (Jul 9, 2018 - 12:40 pm)

I received an email offer for Falls Church. I never heard from the MD OAO (my status remained "referred").

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favorandgrace (Jul 5, 2018 - 11:52 am)

Can anyone give insight on the background check for these AA positions? It is public trust, correct? How do they check your employment (do they call the supervisors or send a letter)? Will they call us to interview us? How long does it usually take to get cleared?

Thanks!

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downwardslope (Jul 5, 2018 - 1:01 pm)

The background check process is slow. It took me about 8 months and I know people who started in the 2nd half of the year who are still waiting. I actually have no idea how they contact people because it was so slow that by the time they actually did anything, I had really lost contact with my prior employer. It doesn’t seem like they even started for 3 months.

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cratercity (Jul 5, 2018 - 2:14 pm)

so they do another background check after they hire you?

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downwardslope (Jul 5, 2018 - 2:16 pm)

There is the fingerprints, which usually takes

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cratercity (Jul 5, 2018 - 2:27 pm)

I think i'm missing part of your response lol sorry!

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downwardslope (Jul 5, 2018 - 2:48 pm)

Dang- somehow it got deleted. I am not sure what happened. The fingerprints usually take a day and then the second part requires you to go on e-qip either right before or after your start date. You will get an interim clearance while waiting for the second background check to complete.

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favorandgrace (Jul 5, 2018 - 5:16 pm)

Thanks for your response! So what happens if they cannot contact a former employer?

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downwardslope (Jul 5, 2018 - 7:55 pm)

I think the investigator will call you if there is a problem. My understanding is that you won’t hear anything unless there is an issue.

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miked1234 (Jul 15, 2018 - 10:19 pm)

Is the equip form SF85, SF85P or SF86? How long do you have to complete the form?

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pam145 (Jul 6, 2018 - 1:52 pm)

Anyone get an interview for the ogc counsel position in md???

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favorandgrace (Jul 6, 2018 - 2:18 pm)

Didnt this position like just close? Like a couple weeks ago? In Woodlawn right? I think its too early for people to get interview calls...

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downwardslope (Jul 6, 2018 - 2:40 pm)

There were two sets. There was one set of OGC positions that was posted back in early May that had referrals about a month ago and a MD OGC position was among them. I imagine they might be doing interviews now.

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favorandgrace (Jul 6, 2018 - 4:18 pm)

oh ok gotcha! thanks for the info

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favorandgrace (Jul 6, 2018 - 4:19 pm)

Does anyone know how quickly you can start working overtime in these positions? I remember reading one year (which seems like an awfully long time to wait, especially at a GS-11 salary). I also remember reading where someone said its much sooner than that. Anyone have any thoughts?

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govlaw (Jul 6, 2018 - 4:52 pm)

They could always change the rules, but at OAO you had to be off mentor review for denial recommendations to work overtime. I believe we had to complete 30 denial recommendations before we were off review. Then there usually isn’t overtime from October until January and it isn’t consistently offered. So I started in July and first worked overtime in January.

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floridalawa (Jul 6, 2018 - 6:19 pm)

Can one begin flex schedules right away, such as four 10 hour days? Or do the same rules apply as for overtime?

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govlaw (Jul 6, 2018 - 6:32 pm)

You can start doing credit hours after a couple months. At my office, you have to apply to work at alternate schedule and that is only open a few times a year. You can start working during the flexible start times after training (at my office between 6a-930a)

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downwardslope (Jul 6, 2018 - 8:26 pm)

I am in a hearing office and we could do credit immediately. I am not sure there was a wait for alternate schedule either. Overtime was the same as with the Appeals Council- once you are off review, you can start overtime. However, it is a variable length and can be anywhere from 4-7 months from what I have seen. I think we have more overtime than the AC. We have had it throughout the year, although some months will only have one or two days of weekend overtime while other months will have both weekday and weekend overtime. Weekday overtime is usually pretty sparse except during August and September, particularly now that the backlog is decreasing.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jul 7, 2018 - 12:15 pm)

For the ncac, I think you need to be off review to work ot as well (so depends on how fast you can get off review before you can work ot). OT at the ncac has been consistent all year (it is usually 12 hours a week, paid at time and a half, which you can work during the weekday or weekend, either at home or in the office). Sometimes it goes up--I have seen 18 ot hours per week, and in the Baltimore ncac, it was unlimited overtime for a bit. To my knowledge, you can start working credit asap-at least that it is how it was when I started.

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compassion (Jul 10, 2018 - 7:22 pm)

Has anyone heard anything for the Orlando area?

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regallegal17 (Jul 11, 2018 - 9:29 am)

Last week I received an email from Shreveport OHO to schedule the written exercise. Today we received an email that the written exercise was cancelled. Has this happened to anyone else before? Any idea why they may have cancelled it?

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jayrock2015 (Jul 12, 2018 - 5:50 pm)

I also received the same email...I know the announcement was for only one vacancy so maybe the position went internal...

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2018 - 6:03 pm)

People applying from within the agency are still required to do the writing test like everyone else, so I don’t know why they’d cancel it. The only internal transferring they are doing right now is hardship transfers, which is a possibility. Those are available at any time.

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jayrock2015 (Jul 12, 2018 - 5:46 pm)

Has anyone heard anything from the OKC posting? I interviewed on 6/20/2018; took subsequent writing test on 6/21/2018 and then reached out to HR contact and her response was, "The vacancy package is still being worked. We will be sending out emails once they are completed." Thoughts?

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mtbislife (Jul 13, 2018 - 5:28 pm)

I have not. Anyone in the process with the Billings, MT office?

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floridalawa (Jul 19, 2018 - 11:57 am)

Random question for the new starts, and I realize this may vary from office to office. Do attorneys have offices or cubicles?

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govlaw (Jul 19, 2018 - 12:08 pm)

OAO Falls Church is cubicles - the tall kind with an opening on one side. Everyone is teleworking 3 days a week so it’s pretty quiet when you are in the office.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2018 - 12:12 pm)

It depends on the office, but at this point most offices are getting short on space so the likelihood of you getting your own office is becoming less and less. You may be in AN office, but you might be “hoteling” and have to find a new office every day based on who is teleworking each day. I am in a hearing office and we do have enough offices for each new person to have their own office, but all the other attorneys are now hoteling or sharing with someone. None of us who telework get our own unless we are teleworking 2 or fewer days per week.

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favorandgrace (Jul 19, 2018 - 1:28 pm)

My office informed me that all the new hires will have their own offices (yay!).

Oh, I should mention that I got an offer and will start in a few days.

I had 7 interviews (recently got a request for an 8th interview but declined), a couple of offers, and accepted an offer for a hearing office on the east coast. Can't wait to start.

They started me at GS-12 Step 1.

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kelsen1 (Jul 19, 2018 - 1:43 pm)

All of them SSA positions? I was late for the posting so I'm just applying randomly hoping one day I'll get the call. Congrats!

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favorandgrace (Jul 19, 2018 - 2:41 pm)

Yes they were all SSA positions. Good luck on your job search and thanks for your congrats!

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jayrock2015 (Jul 19, 2018 - 2:35 pm)

Congrats! favorandgrace on your new job! If you don't mind me asking, what was the timeframe from your interview date to your offer date? I am just trying to get a timeline! Thanks and congrats again!

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favorandgrace (Jul 19, 2018 - 2:48 pm)

This was the very first interview I did (and I thought I bombed it).

Posting closed last week of April. I was referred in the beginning of May. Got a call to schedule the interview on May 7th. Was also asked to send in an official transcript at that time. Interview was the following week.

Two weeks after my interview, I was contacted to submit references. Got the tentative job offer 6 weeks after submitting my references (took forever - i thought i was out of the running).

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jayrock2015 (Jul 19, 2018 - 3:07 pm)

Thanks for the update on the thread! Well, it appears there may still be hope for others and myself who are still waiting for offers!

Thanks and again Congrats!!!

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catwoman333 (Jul 24, 2018 - 11:00 pm)

Hi all.

I recently received an offer for Attorney Advisor job at GS 11 in Big City area with very high housing costs. I have also applied for higher paying AA jobs in other SSA OHOs and attorney jobs in other agencies (non-SSA). My application status for those jobs shows "referred" but no contact from them yet, so I assume those agencies are still reviewing my apps.

Questions:

1. If I decline the low GS 11 offer in the hopes that I will later get a higher pay offer from a different OHO or a different agency will that declined earlier offer hurt my chances on current/pending or future apps with SSA or other agencies or possibly becoming an ALJ at SSA? (I took the 2018 exam but have heard NOTHING from OPM, not even my test scores/ratings. I assume "Lucia" means I will have to reapply for any future ALJ jobs and all SSA "favorite" employees will have the advantage in future SSA ALJ selections.)

2. In my SSA Attorney Advisor offer notice email, I was asked to read and sign a memo re: ethics rules for attorneys going from private practice to SSA AA (or ALJ) job. I totally understand that one cannot SIMULTANEOUSLY represent clients while employed by SSA. However, my interpretation of that memo is that I would also have to WD and waive any right to fee on cases ALREADY heard by the judge in a hearing where I am now merely awaiting a decision on the claim. I have a fairly large pool of post-hrg cases and if I have to waive a right to those fees that would require passing on a potentially HUGE chunk of $$$ in order to take a rather low-paying AA/DW position. (I work solo so making an arrangement with a firm to pay me these fees prior to getting favorable ALJ decisions or becoming an AA/DW is out of the question.) Has anyone else here gone from private practice to working for SSA (or another fed. agency) where you faced this dilemma? If so, how did you handle that?

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floridalawa (Jul 26, 2018 - 11:33 pm)

Catwoman,

I can't speak to #2 but as for your first question, I don't think it will necessarily hurt you to decline the SSA position and re-apply at another date. I certainly don't see how it would hurt your chances with other agencies either. At least in my experience. I declined an SSA position a few years ago but accepted an offer this cycle with a different SSA office. People can have many factors at play when considering a job offer and circumstances often change from when you applied and interviewed. I would think they would understand that, especially given the typically long period of time between applying ~> interviews ~> offers. Now, if you accepted the offer and then backed out, I could see how that could impact you.

Good luck with your decision!

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govlaw (Jul 27, 2018 - 5:05 am)

I declined an offer in Woodlawn Md, but accepted an offer in Falls Church 9 months later. The Woodlawn job was advertised as being in FC but then during the interview, they said it was advertised wrong.

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purplemarker1 (Jul 25, 2018 - 12:28 pm)

Probably beating a dead horse at this point but has anyone started in or interviewed for the OGC jobs posted in early May? I was referred but never heard another word though I’d assume all hope lost at this point. Thanks

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downwardslope (Jul 25, 2018 - 12:54 pm)

I know a lot of people who applied but no one has heard a peep.

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hopefulesq71 (Aug 8, 2018 - 1:15 pm)

I interviewed on June 14th and took the test on the 15th and waited to hear something but not a peep. I then emailed the interviewer in Falls Church for a status update and all I got was "The hiring process is ongoing. Thanks for taking the time to speak with us." What does this mean? If they aren't interested then they should at least have the decency and courtesy of letting people know.

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downwardslope (Aug 8, 2018 - 1:24 pm)

There was a test for the OGC positions?

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newkid504 (Jul 25, 2018 - 8:13 pm)

Does anyone know when national training is going to be?

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floridalawa (Aug 7, 2018 - 2:40 am)

Can anyone share the typical ratio of judges to attorney advisors? I'm wondering how many other attorneys advisors I should expect there to be (there are 15 or 20 judges in the office). Are attorneys assigned 1 judge permanently like a law clerk, or does everyone rotate?

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lawandorder (Aug 7, 2018 - 10:52 am)

Has anyone in the DC area received a start date from either Woodmont or Falls Church? TIA

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attnyapp (Aug 11, 2018 - 2:19 pm)

Did you receive a TO? If so, which closing date? Thanks! P.s. what does “TIA” mean?

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attnyapp (Aug 11, 2018 - 12:55 pm)

Does anyone know if selections have begun for the Falls Church SSA Attorney-advisor posting that closed on July 6? I was interviewed almost 2 weeks ago, and references contacted a few days ago (though not dispositive). I’m hoping to get an idea of my chances as selections start rolling in. Please reply if you are in this boat or can offer updates.

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newkid504 (Aug 12, 2018 - 8:20 pm)

So, how do the new SSA AAs like the job so far?

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favorandgrace (Aug 13, 2018 - 11:14 pm)

It's been pretty good for me. We are in training and we are traveling for a week of in person training next week. I really like my office and my new colleagues and I'm learning a lot.

Does anyone know when we can start working overtime?

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newkid504 (Aug 14, 2018 - 7:40 am)

According to the GS in my office, she stated we can begin working OT after 1 year on the job.

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downwardslope (Aug 14, 2018 - 7:57 am)

That is not true. You should be able to start working OT once you are productive, which is after the mentoring period ends. That usually takes about 4-8 months depending on the person. I started last year and one person in my group did overtime within about 8 months. You have to be able to finish your decisions within the allotted time, so about 4 hours for a favorable, but they should not assign you a 3k page favorable for OT.

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cratercity (Aug 19, 2018 - 3:31 pm)

Do the new hires in your respective offices have offices or cubicle types of spaces?

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favorandgrace (Aug 20, 2018 - 3:06 am)

I have an office along with my coworkers who recently got hired with me.

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jayrock2015 (Aug 22, 2018 - 11:43 am)

Hi all,

Just wanted to give an update. I will be starting with SSA NCAC St. Louis 9/17. Here’s my timeline:

Interviewed: 7/30
References checked: 7/31
Tentative offer:8/16 phone call
From hr contact follow up with email
Official offer: 8/21

Good luck to those still waiting!

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jayrock2015 (Aug 22, 2018 - 11:43 am)

Hi all,

Just wanted to give an update. I will be starting with SSA NCAC St. Louis 9/17. Here’s my timeline:

Interviewed: 7/30
References checked: 7/31
Tentative offer:8/16 phone call
From hr contact follow up with email
Official offer: 8/21

Good luck to those still waiting!

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attnyapp (Aug 22, 2018 - 12:11 pm)

Congrats Jay Rock!! Thanks for the update.

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jayrock2015 (Aug 22, 2018 - 2:24 pm)

Thanks attnyapp!

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fedjob (Aug 24, 2018 - 11:33 am)

Falls Church SSA Attorney-advisor posting that closed on July 6. Any tentative offers yet?

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crazylady (Aug 28, 2018 - 6:25 pm)

I've heard a lot of negative things about being a term decision writer at the NCAC in Falls Church. I'm currently sitting on another offer as a law clerk 2 at the SEC. Can someone please tell me the good points of working as a term attorney advisor at the NCAC?

Also, I accepted my offer on 8/24 and did my fingerprints on 8/27. Does anybody know how long final offers take to be given or when the proposed start date will be for this new hiring class?

Thanks in advance!

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miked1234 (Aug 28, 2018 - 7:03 pm)

I'm at Falls Church NHC which is different than the NCAC. I love it at the NHC and I've heard that the FC NCAC is awful. Personally, I'd take the SEC position especially if you will be litigating.

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crazylady (Aug 28, 2018 - 7:52 pm)

Thanks for your response miked1234. Do you know what makes the NCAC awful though? I wouldn't be litigating with the SEC unfortunately. The pay is higher than the starting rate at NCAC but I'd be assisting the trial attorneys there.

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cratercity (Aug 29, 2018 - 9:33 am)

Have any of you that got on not done training yet??

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catwoman333 (Sep 2, 2018 - 10:46 pm)

@crazylady, JMO but the LC 2 job sounds like a better option if you want both job security and a clear cut oppty for upward mobility/career advancement. And I would think having the chance to work closely with and observe experienced trial attorneys in court would be invaluable, esp. if you aspire to become one.

NCAC, aside from being a temp gig (NTE 2 or 4 years), strikes me as comparable to a doc. review job
with low pay, high volume quotas, high stress/tedium, and very high burnout/turnover. (Why else does SSA post these mass hiring notices for AA/DWs--esp. in FC--every year or so, yet STILL has such high case backlogs?). NCAC (5107 Leesburg Pk, FC) is essentially a massive, 25+ floor skyscraper in VA suburbs outside of Washington DC. It's a matter of taste but I would prefer a less impersonal, much smaller office with fewer coworkers. Good luck with whichever path you chose!

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john09 (Sep 3, 2018 - 12:59 pm)

The Appeals Council is located at 5107 Leesburg Pike (Skyline Tower) - the Falls Church NCAC is located nearby. I actually like Skyline Tower. Yes, the building is massive, but the Appeals Council only uses a couple of floors. The remainder of the floors are used by other federal agencies.

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mtbislife (Sep 3, 2018 - 8:54 pm)

Good point, its pretty sad everyone is gunning so hard for these jobs when its not even that great of a position to begin with, says a lot about the state of the legal market.

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newkid504 (Sep 3, 2018 - 9:39 pm)

So true mtbislife.

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sarah8901 (Sep 13, 2018 - 5:20 pm)

You are a complete moron.

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peterrogers (Oct 23, 2018 - 9:36 pm)

Hi, for all you experienced and new SSA attorneys, what have you done to improve your efficiency, including drafting and file review? Currently, my decisions are good as my mentor stated but with just the usual suggestions of better proofreading, more persuasive analysis, and really support your opinions, however, I feel like I am slow and then I become anxious and try to increase my speed but quality goes down but not significantly. I have been drafting for about 2 months and have a DWPI around 40 percent. Are there any suggestions? I used the excel method and took notes in the decision in paragraph form, but I am a slow drafter and slow file reviewer. Should I find another job?

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lawst (Oct 23, 2018 - 10:24 pm)

I have stock paragraphs that I copy and paste. I even copy and paste the step 5 jobs. I have them in a word document.

Figure out about 4-5 things you can use for the b criteria. Utilize the function report / ADL form for this. Then always use those same things. You’ll know where to look for them them and it will become rote. Occasionally I’ll copy and paste from other cases’ b criteria then change facts and citations as necessary. Claimants seem to fill out their function reports the same way.

I take notes in a notepad document. I can type faster than I can write. And I often just copy and paste from the medical records to the notepad document. I include dates. That helps me get a longitudinal view of the records. Then I can look for trends. I.e. improvement over time. Or lack of deterioration. Or lack of treatment.

I look for the smoking gun facts: the guy with the bad back swinging an axe. The guy who hates being around people but will fly in airplanes. Etc. I note those. These make your analysis a lot easier. Because, in general, doing these things is inconsistent with being unable to work. Depending on your case of course.

Use qualifiers: in general, mostly, largely. You don’t have time to closely scrutinize every physical / mental status exam. But you can usually spot patterns: “physical examinations are generally routine, showing normal strength, good range of motion, normal reflexes, etc.”

Group impairments. Especially mental. I follow this pattern: 1) diagnosis. 2) treatment. 3) imaging studies. 4) physical examinations/ mental status exams 5) smoking gun/gotcha facts and ADLs.

In the discussion of each severe impairment, i list the facts chronologically. This helps with organization. And hence why I write the dates when I’m taking notes.

Learn to weed out the unnecessary stuff. Look at what the CL is telling providers, then look at objective evidence such as exams and imaging, and look at the diagnosis/assessment/impression. Ignore everything else.

This all works for files that are manageable. If you’re getting lots and lots of pages and exhibits this will be harder.

Use ocr. It will save you a ton of time. Open all your documents as you begin working on a case. Search in all documents. Work on other things while the viewer loads the ocr into memory.

You will get faster with time. I was in your shoes earlier this year as well. Good luck.

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downwardslope (Oct 24, 2018 - 10:46 am)

I am not sure what the excel method is. I do like you do with my note taking and am generally close to 100% with little use of auto text. I started last year. It is slow when you are getting mentored. Once you are on your own, it speeds up a lot.

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