Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

(2018!!) Years in; starting pay; current pay; in law practice yet?

4; 40k; 50-57k (depends on firm health); yes Last year? 5 snowday7507/17/18
Gun jumper. wutwutwut07/17/18
4 years; 55K + commissions; current pay is the same; yes mnjd07/17/18
122k will be pretty hard to beat in Twin Chitties man. But t snowday7507/17/18
You can support a stay-at-home wife and four kids on 122k? 3lol07/17/18
I make 50-57k in Twin Cities with a career earnings ceiling snowday7507/17/18
You need that mnjd/mkbj money. 3lol07/17/18
Barely, money is still tight! mnjd07/17/18
There's no modelz, but plenty of Jim Bean and Wild Turkey bo mnjd07/17/18
4; 55k; 135ish; work for a FI in AML compliance maybealawyer07/17/18
3, 40k, 72k Non-law gubbmint lawrunner31707/17/18
Years out: 5 (2013 graduate) Starting pay at first job: $40 federalguy07/17/18
I'm curious about NRAL in DC. dandydan07/17/18
And curious you shall remain, Danster. :-) wutwutwut07/17/18
Years out: 7 (2011 graduate) Starting pay at first job: $56 ipesq07/17/18
Years out: ~15 years Starting pay at first job: Law firm: hairypalms07/17/18
Years out: 7 Starting Pay at first law job: 35K Current P samfriedlander207/17/18
Good for you, samfriedlander2, on working your way up from t cranky07/17/18
10 55k Now 70k plus moonlighting bigsal07/17/18
10; $45k; $120k base, ~$165k total comp; yes, all 10 years. fcct07/17/18
4; 18k; about 85k; no Non law fed government job. flyer1407/17/18
Years out: 9 Starting Pay: 55k Current Pay: 195k Job: Par notiers07/18/18
Years out: 9 Starting pay: 48k (state court clerk) Current lqclamar07/18/18
cocolawyer (Jul 18, 2018 - 11:48 am) This is going to get imoothereforeim07/18/18
I never make these lists. wutwutwut07/18/18
7.5 years out 65k at the lowest (started at 70k then got 2breedbares07/18/18
what are you doing for 130K 9-5? fuckup08/20/18
Years out: 11 Starting Pay: 60k Current Pay: 170k Job: Bi jdu1234432107/18/18
same as last year, just a year older - stock grants and bon lionelhutz07/18/18
You sir are the winner by far in this group. notiers07/18/18
Years out: 5 Starting pay: $65k (plus a $5k bonus) Current unemployable07/18/18
Great username haha snowday7507/18/18
Years out - 13 First job - $40k Current job - (incl bonuse therover07/19/18
Years out - 7 First job - $50K-ish Current Job - $81K Cur notthedroidyo07/19/18
Years out - 6 (2012 Grad) First Job - $34k (retail sales) latinforliar07/19/18
Years out - 5 Starting pay - 45,000 (1st year associate at mcacollector07/19/18
24 years experience. Starting pay $23,500. Current salary $ porochi07/19/18
years out - too many starting pay - too much current pay - dingbat07/19/18
180. flyer1407/20/18
4; 50k; 110k; non-law drwayoflife07/19/18
Years out: 8 (2010 grad) Starting pay: $80,000 plus $10,000 tcpaul07/20/18
are you a partner? how you making 147K at a PI mill? fuckup08/20/18
Years out: 1 1/2 Starting: $75k Current: $100k by moving yankeebirdie07/22/18
7; 52k; 90k (bonus unknown - first year at firm...they were jd4hire07/23/18
2010 grad Starting: ~$40k (state prosecutor/PD) Current: $ cocktails07/23/18
Years out: 9 Starting pay: 19,000 (started own firm in 2009 hankstamper07/24/18
Years out: 4 Starting salary: 36k (pooplaw) Current salary legalmessenger07/25/18
(sigh!) Not much has changed since the last thread of thi bittersweet07/25/18
Years out - 4 First Job - $160k Current Job - $250k Curre interveningrights07/25/18
You progress, yet you do not age. wutwutwut07/25/18
I feel really old. interveningrights07/27/18
Years out - 3 First Job - 80K Current Job - 150K (125K bas canon8307/27/18
BTW My friend graduated same year and I know was struggl canon8307/27/18
Sweet! (Wait, do you mean he himself cleared 700k, or the f wutwutwut07/27/18
Years out: 0 (4th Tier 1L Here) Starting pay: 0 Current pa tigerwoods07/27/18
Years out: 7 (with employment gaps) Starting pay: $40k no b loblawyer07/28/18
Years out: 10 years out from 4th Tier school Starting pay: seemedwiseatthetime07/28/18
Years out: 6.5 Starting pay: 42,000 Consulting Quasi Legal tttnoregrets07/31/18
years out: 7 starting pay: 70k current pay: 155k current goknicks08/01/18
NYC area? fuckup08/20/18
Years out: 7 Starting: 57K City prosecutor Current: 143K B readingrainbow08/01/18
Years out: 4 Starting pay: 60k Current: 80k Started in junkwired08/01/18
Time: .00001 (fresh out) Start pay: 55,000 Current pay: 55 jmoney08/08/18
Years out: 6 Starting pay: 45k (debt collections) Current mikeisright08/08/18
Years out: 6 Starting pay: 75k (IT position with law firm plunky08/08/18
time: 23 years start. 28k now 170k defensivelawyer08/08/18
Congrats! Not all of us make it that long. justdoingok08/08/18
Years out: 15 Starting pay: 55k (ID) Current: 200k + bonus justdoingok08/08/18
You mind elaborating how you got out of ID into in house? No loblawyer08/16/18
Would be interesting to see what tier school one attended wi jd4hire08/09/18
I went to a 3rd tier school. I keep up with 6 people from m mikeisright08/09/18
Never finished law school in different industry Base pay confused1l9308/09/18
Years out: 2 (2015 graduate) Starting pay at first job: $5 legalbeagle08/13/18
10 years out (2009 grad) Starting Pay: $75k (midsize firm) bobloblaw774908/13/18
Averages after 45 people: Years___Starting Pay_____Curren wutwutwut08/14/18
years: 7 starting pay: $50k current pay: Base $90k plus ab mortalkonlaw09/07/18
Years: 17 (doesn't feel like it) Starting: 40K (DA) Curren newjag1709/11/18

snowday75 (Jul 17, 2018 - 12:32 pm)

4; 40k; 50-57k (depends on firm health); yes

Last year? 57k guaranteed

Lets just restart. The old one is a year old. Things have changed.

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wutwutwut (Jul 17, 2018 - 12:50 pm)

Gun jumper.

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mnjd (Jul 17, 2018 - 12:53 pm)

4 years; 55K + commissions; current pay is the same; yes

Last year 122K

Wife stays at home and I have 4 kids so the money is pissed away one way or the other. Oh look another prime order just confirmed over my phone. FML

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snowday75 (Jul 17, 2018 - 12:57 pm)

122k will be pretty hard to beat in Twin Chitties man. But the mental health improvement would be worth something .

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3lol (Jul 17, 2018 - 3:21 pm)

You can support a stay-at-home wife and four kids on 122k?

Damn, me and my fiancee make that together and I feel like I'm barely scraping by. I should be in the twin cities living the modelz and bottlez lifestyle.

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snowday75 (Jul 17, 2018 - 4:08 pm)

I make 50-57k in Twin Cities with a career earnings ceiling of 67,654.33 so there is that.

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3lol (Jul 17, 2018 - 4:28 pm)

You need that mnjd/mkbj money.

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mnjd (Jul 17, 2018 - 5:25 pm)

Barely, money is still tight!

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mnjd (Jul 17, 2018 - 5:26 pm)

There's no modelz, but plenty of Jim Bean and Wild Turkey bottlez.

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maybealawyer (Jul 17, 2018 - 1:04 pm)

4; 55k; 135ish; work for a FI in AML compliance

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lawrunner317 (Jul 17, 2018 - 1:17 pm)

3, 40k, 72k

Non-law gubbmint

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federalguy (Jul 17, 2018 - 1:30 pm)

Years out: 5 (2013 graduate)
Starting pay at first job: $40k
Current pay: $120k
Current job: fed gov

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dandydan (Jul 17, 2018 - 4:49 pm)

I'm curious about NRAL in DC.

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wutwutwut (Jul 17, 2018 - 5:40 pm)

And curious you shall remain, Danster. :-)

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ipesq (Jul 17, 2018 - 7:13 pm)

Years out: 7 (2011 graduate)
Starting pay at first job: $56k
Current pay: $100k
Last Year Pay: $90K
Current job: private firm - plaintiffs

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hairypalms (Jul 17, 2018 - 7:25 pm)

Years out: ~15 years
Starting pay at first job: Law firm: $75,000
Current pay: $145,000 not including bonus or stock. With bonus and stock, total comp is ~200K
Current job: Private, technology company

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samfriedlander2 (Jul 17, 2018 - 8:10 pm)

Years out: 7
Starting Pay at first law job: 35K
Current Pay: 105K
City Government: Director of general counsel unit

Life was miserable in the beginning (see post below). Time and hard work changes things.


http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=21917

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cranky (Jul 17, 2018 - 8:35 pm)

Good for you, samfriedlander2, on working your way up from that PI mill.

Years out: 15+
starting pay: 45k no benefits
Current: anticipated, $80-100k as a solo not in a high cost of living area.

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bigsal (Jul 17, 2018 - 9:00 pm)

10

55k

Now 70k plus moonlighting

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fcct (Jul 17, 2018 - 10:14 pm)

10; $45k; $120k base, ~$165k total comp; yes, all 10 years. Currently staff counsel ID.

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flyer14 (Jul 17, 2018 - 10:56 pm)

4; 18k; about 85k; no

Non law fed government job.

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notiers (Jul 18, 2018 - 12:29 am)

Years out: 9
Starting Pay: 55k
Current Pay: 195k
Job: Partner - midsized firm

Graduated from a festering 4th tier law school. It was not an easy road.

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lqclamar (Jul 18, 2018 - 11:39 am)

Years out: 9
Starting pay: 48k (state court clerk)
Current Pay: 140k
Current job: Senior Associate in large firm

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imoothereforeim (Jul 18, 2018 - 12:22 pm)

cocolawyer (Jul 18, 2018 - 11:48 am)

This is going to get annoying. Thanks admin for blocking me from general...ugh.

Anyways:

Graduated 2012 (licensed December 2012): I am about 6 years out.
First year 2013: $65,000.00 plus bonus.
2018: $180,000.00 plus bonus. (so about $200,000.00).

Still can barely make the bills. I have no idea how these poor schmucks making $15 dollars an hour do it.

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wutwutwut (Jul 18, 2018 - 12:23 pm)

I never make these lists.

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2breedbares (Jul 18, 2018 - 12:58 pm)

7.5 years out

65k at the lowest (started at 70k then got laid off)

130k now, 9-5, no billables. I also make anywhere from 5-20k extra on side work.

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fuckup (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:29 pm)

what are you doing for 130K 9-5?

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jdu12344321 (Jul 18, 2018 - 1:45 pm)

Years out: 11
Starting Pay: 60k
Current Pay: 170k
Job: Big 4

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lionelhutz (Jul 18, 2018 - 2:19 pm)

same as last year, just a year older - stock grants and bonuses make comp a bit varied.

years out - 21
starting pay $83k
current pay - $500-700k
Job - public co GC

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notiers (Jul 18, 2018 - 3:59 pm)

You sir are the winner by far in this group.

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unemployable (Jul 18, 2018 - 9:18 pm)

Years out: 5
Starting pay: $65k (plus a $5k bonus)
Current pay: ~$165k (includes bonus and stock)
Current job: In-house counsel

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snowday75 (Jul 18, 2018 - 9:18 pm)

Great username haha

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therover (Jul 19, 2018 - 8:58 am)

Years out - 13
First job - $40k
Current job - (incl bonuses) - ~ $160
Current position - in house counsel.

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notthedroidyo (Jul 19, 2018 - 10:45 am)

Years out - 7
First job - $50K-ish
Current Job - $81K
Current Position - Counsel in state gov

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latinforliar (Jul 19, 2018 - 2:04 pm)

Years out - 6 (2012 Grad)
First Job - $34k (retail sales)
Current Job - $110 base, $150 with bonus and side gigs (fly-over country)
Current Position - Not Practicing - Manager, Contracting Administration (BigPharma)

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mcacollector (Jul 19, 2018 - 3:49 pm)

Years out - 5
Starting pay - 45,000 (1st year associate at a mill in NYC)
Currently - cleared $150k last year ($100k base plus 5% of revenue)
Current position - General Counsel of a collections company specializing in commercial judgment enforcement.

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porochi (Jul 19, 2018 - 3:50 pm)

24 years experience. Starting pay $23,500. Current salary $145,000, federal govt. atty

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dingbat (Jul 19, 2018 - 9:26 pm)

years out - too many
starting pay - too much
current pay - not enough
don't need any more practice, I ply my craft

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flyer14 (Jul 20, 2018 - 1:58 am)

180.

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drwayoflife (Jul 19, 2018 - 10:05 pm)

4; 50k; 110k; non-law

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tcpaul (Jul 20, 2018 - 10:28 am)

Years out: 8 (2010 grad)
Starting pay: $80,000 plus $10,000 contribution to retirement account
Current salary: $147,000
Practicing at a PI mill and loving it.

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fuckup (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:30 pm)

are you a partner? how you making 147K at a PI mill?

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yankeebirdie (Jul 22, 2018 - 11:42 am)

Years out: 1 1/2
Starting: $75k
Current: $100k by moving to bigger firm.

NYC

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jd4hire (Jul 23, 2018 - 8:56 am)

7; 52k; 90k (bonus unknown - first year at firm...they were aware of my 16k bonus year prior; high-end plaintiffs firm. My potential down the road is why I'm here.

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cocktails (Jul 23, 2018 - 4:14 pm)

2010 grad
Starting: ~$40k (state prosecutor/PD)
Current: $170k plus bonus (been $20-30k last two years) (non-equity partner, large firm)

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hankstamper (Jul 24, 2018 - 12:18 am)

Years out: 9
Starting pay: 19,000 (started own firm in 2009 out of law school)
Current pay: 100,000 (took job at mid sized firm doing family law)

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legalmessenger (Jul 25, 2018 - 10:29 am)

Years out: 4
Starting salary: 36k (pooplaw)
Current salary: 67k
Working for fed as attorney advisor. It’s a living!

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bittersweet (Jul 25, 2018 - 1:20 pm)

(sigh!)

Not much has changed since the last thread of this nature.

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interveningrights (Jul 25, 2018 - 4:53 pm)

Years out - 4
First Job - $160k
Current Job - $250k
Current Position - IP Litigation Associate

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wutwutwut (Jul 25, 2018 - 6:25 pm)

You progress, yet you do not age.

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interveningrights (Jul 27, 2018 - 11:50 am)

I feel really old.

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canon83 (Jul 27, 2018 - 11:43 am)

Years out - 3
First Job - 80K
Current Job - 150K (125K base + 25K bonus)
Current Position - in-house

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canon83 (Jul 27, 2018 - 11:45 am)

BTW

My friend graduated same year and I know was struggling at a plaintiffs firm for 2 years (60-70K). Started his own with others and cleared 700K last year.

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wutwutwut (Jul 27, 2018 - 12:16 pm)

Sweet! (Wait, do you mean he himself cleared 700k, or the firm did?)

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tigerwoods (Jul 27, 2018 - 12:11 pm)

Years out: 0 (4th Tier 1L Here)
Starting pay: 0
Current pay: $750,000 Trust Fund :)

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loblawyer (Jul 28, 2018 - 4:16 pm)

Years out: 7 (with employment gaps)
Starting pay: $40k no benefits
Current pay: $95k
Law practice: yes

Given the large salary jumps in far less time here, looks like I'm doing it wrong.

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seemedwiseatthetime (Jul 28, 2018 - 7:36 pm)

Years out: 10 years out from 4th Tier school
Starting pay: $28K, no benefits, horribly miserable small law job for a tyrant
Current pay: $87K
Spent 5.5 years in doc review before transitioning to current Fed JD-preferred/non-law job. Obviously can't compete with most the salaries of the self-selecting posters here but I'm very content with my career.

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tttnoregrets (Jul 31, 2018 - 12:21 pm)

Years out: 6.5
Starting pay: 42,000 Consulting Quasi Legal
Current Pay: 85,500 (between 10k - 20K in bonuses through out so typically just over $100,000)
Moonlighting: between $10,000 and $20,000 extra
Current job: Account Manager/Shareholder Consulting Firm

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goknicks (Aug 1, 2018 - 1:24 am)

years out: 7
starting pay: 70k
current pay: 155k
current job: large ID firm

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fuckup (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:34 pm)

NYC area?

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readingrainbow (Aug 1, 2018 - 10:06 am)

Years out: 7
Starting: 57K City prosecutor
Current: 143K BigFed Prosecutor
Spent all my time in Government. Loan forgiveness in 2022 (about 90k)

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junkwired (Aug 1, 2018 - 10:29 am)

Years out: 4
Starting pay: 60k
Current: 80k
Started in T&E and elder law. Disliked it because boring. Applied for and accepted a position as a state trial legal research clerk, which was a step down income wise (60k to 55k). The experience enabled me to be competitive for a position with a mid-sized lit firm.

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jmoney (Aug 8, 2018 - 2:54 am)

Time: .00001 (fresh out)
Start pay: 55,000
Current pay: 55,000

No undergrad debt, full ride @ law school.

Small, old law firm in low COL city. P side lit, cushy municipal clients, 1400 billables req. We made it.

I better have passed the bar.

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mikeisright (Aug 8, 2018 - 12:01 pm)

Years out: 6
Starting pay: 45k (debt collections)
Current Pay: 120k (title)

Hated debt collections but it was all I could get (actually, very lucky to have gotten anything). Caught a big break to transfer into title work, love it, and never looked back.

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plunky (Aug 8, 2018 - 3:33 pm)

Years out: 6
Starting pay: 75k (IT position with law firm before starting JAG job)
Current pay: 66k + 16k in non-taxable allowances in low COL location
Current job: JAG

It's hard to beat the military for those doing PSLF.

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defensivelawyer (Aug 8, 2018 - 4:06 pm)

time: 23 years
start. 28k
now 170k

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justdoingok (Aug 8, 2018 - 8:57 pm)

Congrats! Not all of us make it that long.

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justdoingok (Aug 8, 2018 - 9:03 pm)

Years out: 15
Starting pay: 55k (ID)
Current: 200k + bonus (in house)

A lot of twists and turns to get to where I am today, and luck played no small part. 4 job hops to get to where I am currently. Generally happy with my current situation, and hope it will last. Seeing others who are further along in their careers, I will probably require 1-2 more hops before I can retire, if I'm lucky.

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loblawyer (Aug 16, 2018 - 10:50 pm)

You mind elaborating how you got out of ID into in house? Not a typical jump especially if you're in corporate. Well done.

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jd4hire (Aug 9, 2018 - 11:26 am)

Would be interesting to see what tier school one attended with this data. And while I recognize many of us posters are carrying around debt, these salaries are relatively encouraging in that a lot of them are in the top 10% of income earners. Per a 2016 investopedia article I just read, top 5% of households earn an annual income of $214,462 or higher.

The top 10% mark is less clear as to whether it is household or individual but notes that the AGI cut off is at $133,445.

I take solace in knowing that while my wife and I are carrying around a huge amount of debt, hers will be forgiven in 8.5 years and for me, I'm just cutting monthly checks at IBR waiting to see what happens. In the time being, we are comfortably within the top 10% and we're only 7 years out. We were lucky to be able to get a mortgage and have done really well with our home - 15 year mortgage on what was an estate sale with the value having appreciated significantly since we purchased it.

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mikeisright (Aug 9, 2018 - 5:08 pm)

I went to a 3rd tier school. I keep up with 6 people from my class. 4 of them were outside of the top 10% and are out of law. Of the other two, one is also also out of law because she hated the biglaw lifestyle (she considers LS the biggest mistake of her life). The 6th went biglaw for 4.5 years before leaving to open his own practice and is doing well but struggles with running a business. I am carrying about $69k in debt down from $81k when I graduated.

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confused1l93 (Aug 9, 2018 - 7:48 pm)

Never finished law school in different industry

Base pay 55k
OTE about 90 and should be on track. However, I am new and my income is variable.

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legalbeagle (Aug 13, 2018 - 2:23 pm)

Years out: 2 (2015 graduate)
Starting pay at first job: $50k
Current pay: $60k
Last Year Pay: $60K
Current job: private PI firm

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bobloblaw7749 (Aug 13, 2018 - 4:54 pm)

10 years out (2009 grad)
Starting Pay: $75k (midsize firm)
Current Pay: $355k (biglaw)
Last Year Pay: $270k (biglaw)

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wutwutwut (Aug 14, 2018 - 5:36 pm)

Averages after 45 people:

Years___Starting Pay_____Current Pay____YOY Pay Increase
__ 8.1 _____ 53.5K __________ 144.0K ________ 11.3K


Without the four highest high-side outliers:

Years___Starting Pay_____Current Pay____YOY Pay Increase
__ 7.7 ____ 49.7K __________ 123.0K ________ 9.2K





Here are the numbers from vohod's similar survey last year:

Averages after 43 compliant responses:

Years___Starting Pay_____Current Pay____YOY Pay Increase
_ 7.8 _____ 53.2K _________ 125.5K ________ 9.4K


Without the two highest high-side outliers:

Years___Starting Pay_____Current Pay____YOY Pay Increase
_ 7.3 ____ 51.6K __________ 108.2K ________ 8.8K

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mortalkonlaw (Sep 7, 2018 - 5:01 pm)

years: 7
starting pay: $50k
current pay: Base $90k plus about $10-15k in annual bonus, but I get good benefits (401k match, separate pension, $500 in pennies for my HSA).
In practice? Not really. I work as an in-house land guy for an oil company.

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newjag17 (Sep 11, 2018 - 1:12 pm)

Years: 17 (doesn't feel like it)
Starting: 40K (DA)
Current: 125K (DA) plus 5-6K in a side gig (Excellent retirement, benefits, hours)

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