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Why are personal injury attorneys the most prestigious and highly regarded lawyers?

Can someone explain? trickydick08/18/18
lol. mrlaw08/18/18
Cause the very best of them make much much more than big law corneroffice08/18/18
Models and/or bottles imho esquirewalletsmatter08/19/18
I wouldn't agree with that statement. I'd say that the extr jd4hire08/19/18
I really don't think people hold PI lawyers, even super weal mrlaw08/19/18
It depends on your definition of people. lawlyer8208/20/18
My original post was ironic. I met an attorney the other trickydick08/19/18
Ironic? Do you mean sarcastic? Anyway, there are euphemis wallypancake08/20/18
No, I meant ironic. i·ro·ny ˈīrənē noun the expr trickydick08/20/18
Deep down you know its all BS and thats the only thing that mtbislife08/20/18
I know I am the scum of the earth. mnjd08/20/18
I am in commercial litigation (business and RE) but people t nycatt08/20/18
PI prestige maps other law prestige: it's all about money. passportfan308/19/18
I’ve thought about this a fair bit. I think there are a fe physicssezno08/20/18
The point is no one wins from litigating a sprained wrist fo mtbislife08/20/18
I am the Slip and Fall, Sprain and Strain Maestro. mnjd08/20/18
Wouldnt you rather do work that has some value? mtbislife08/20/18
Isn't that what we all want? I hate that I help these worthl mnjd08/20/18
“you are a net drain on society” 180 trickydick08/20/18
Hey now, I represented a meth head as a passenger that was d mnjd08/20/18
You are not limited to this type of work forever, you have o mtbislife08/20/18
HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, I've got 4 kids and mnjd08/20/18
Btw, people admire the rich. So biglaw Lawyer, sure they’r physicssezno08/20/18
MTb, keep in mind that behind almost every defendant is a li physicssezno08/20/18
The plaintiff lawyers, the insurers, and the insured are all onehell08/20/18
Yes but two wrongs dont make a right. Just like onehell ment mtbislife08/20/18
Dude, people have a right to be compensated for the negligen tcpaul08/21/18
No, PI lawyers are not a net drain on society. Like most oth onehell08/21/18
I used to buy into the whole prestige thing. Admittedly, it' tcpaul08/21/18
This has been my experience exactly. I started doing fairly bonefortuna08/21/18
Yeah, janitors, plumbers, and the guy who puts dogs to sleep trickydick08/21/18
Bricklaying - that's an honorable profession. And what's wro wutwutwut08/21/18
Agreed. trickydick08/21/18
I didnt say anything about prestige, I am saying that litiga mtbislife08/21/18
There’s a lesson to be learned by public perceptions of PI trickydick08/21/18
Good people treat everyone with respect. Anyone requiring s nycatt08/21/18
“Good people treat everyone with respect.” By that st trickydick08/21/18
"By that standard, most lawyers aren’t good people." We nycatt08/21/18
“To get ahead in this game, its not about winning trials. trickydick08/21/18
I don't think there's much to be learned from public percept onehell08/21/18
Where do you practice, as in what world? I might spin facts tcpaul08/21/18
I’ve witnessed attorneys lying in court. I’ve heard them trickydick08/21/18
Ok, dude. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about P tcpaul08/21/18
Don’t get defensive. trickydick08/21/18
I obviously hit too close to home. Sorry you're jelly. *e tcpaul08/21/18
Take a deep breath. Try to relax. This is a safe space. trickydick08/21/18
Don't be a hypocrite. You're attacking a large part of the p tcpaul08/22/18
Okay. trickydick08/22/18
So there are no doctors and chiros on the take? Or defense esquirewalletsmatter08/22/18
Back in the day it wasn't "spin facts," it was massaging the wallypancake08/22/18
I'm not here for the love and admiration of John Q Public. I jmoney08/30/18
Con artists typically laugh all the way to the bank. trickydick08/31/18
Yeah, most sociopaths arent concerned with things like hones mtbislife08/31/18
Hard to imagine this job as prestigious. Other lawyers wince parlance09/03/18
I've stopped telling people I'm a lawyer, esp. when travelin catwoman33309/12/18
Yes, I avoid telling people I’m a lawyer. trickydick09/13/18
The most revealing message from this entire thread is “tri veritas14409/12/18
I apologize for hurting your feelings. Hopefully you will be trickydick09/13/18
Maybe you and tcpaul can convince your seedy chiro to perfor mtbislife09/13/18
The nickname for PI lawyer is "ambulance chaser" and surveys catwoman33309/12/18
In the words of a US Senator I met: “everyone is real down physicssezno09/13/18
Thanks for the kind apology trickydick. By the way, what do veritas14409/14/18
You’re welcome. My goal here is not to hurt people’s fee trickydick09/14/18
I’m sorry to hear that. I now see why you have so much bui veritas14409/15/18
Most PI attorneys do not handle the types of cases you menti mtbislife09/18/18
"Not Intended For Human Consumption" (Warning on a bass f wutwutwut09/18/18
Okay. trickydick09/18/18
Good to see this thread is going strong. tcpaul09/18/18

trickydick (Aug 18, 2018 - 9:44 pm)

Can someone explain?

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mrlaw (Aug 18, 2018 - 9:45 pm)

lol.

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corneroffice (Aug 18, 2018 - 9:52 pm)

Cause the very best of them make much much more than big law schleps. The top of them are the best trial attorneys around.

Your in LA vato, you should know this.

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esquirewalletsmatter (Aug 19, 2018 - 9:15 am)

Models and/or bottles imho

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jd4hire (Aug 19, 2018 - 12:00 pm)

I wouldn't agree with that statement. I'd say that the extremely successful PI plaintiff attorneys make the most money and therefore, people give them prestige and hold them in high regard. Unless you're extremely successful representing quadriplegics injured by nasty little tortfeasors engaging in conduct which disgusts the public, you are a slick talking ambulance chaser shaking down insurance carriers and contributing to rising premiums.

BigLaw wows a lot of people as well, IMO. Their offices and slick clients with high dollar box seats, etc. will get some regard.

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mrlaw (Aug 19, 2018 - 4:35 pm)

I really don't think people hold PI lawyers, even super wealthy ones, in high regard. people only really respect biglaw lawyers.

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lawlyer82 (Aug 20, 2018 - 8:58 am)

It depends on your definition of people.

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trickydick (Aug 19, 2018 - 8:49 pm)

My original post was ironic.

I met an attorney the other day who said people look down on him when he says he is a PI attorney but look at him with respect when he tells them he is a trial attorney. He fancies himself something special because two or three times a year he’ll take some bullsh*t nickle and dime rear ender or lane change case to trial for a five figure or low six figure verdict.

I tried not to laugh in his face. If you’re a PI lawyer, the average person doesn’t give a damn if you’ve never tried a case or if you’ve tried one thousand cases. You’re on par with Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons or Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad either way. I find it difficult to believe that any attorney who works in PI can delude themselves into thinking they can earn the respect and admiration of the general public regardless of what they do.

I agree with the posters above who make it clear that no one in the Noble Profession gets any respect from the public outside of BigLaw. The best you can hope for is to make a lot of money chasing ambulances or something to justify the taunts and laughter the people with legitimate jobs throw at you.

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wallypancake (Aug 20, 2018 - 9:06 am)

Ironic? Do you mean sarcastic?

Anyway, there are euphemisms for everything. Instead of saying PI lawyer, say trial attorney. Doc review lawyer=ediscovery lawyer. Immigration attorney=citizen realignment attorney. Landlord/tenant attorney=residency transfer specialist attorney. Traffic ticket attorney=vehicular flow through attorney. The list goes on.

Say it in an artful way then you will get the respect that you think you deserve.

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trickydick (Aug 20, 2018 - 9:47 am)

No, I meant ironic.

i·ro·ny
ˈīrənē
noun
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

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mtbislife (Aug 20, 2018 - 10:25 am)

Deep down you know its all BS and thats the only thing that matters.

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mnjd (Aug 20, 2018 - 10:20 am)

I know I am the scum of the earth.

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nycatt (Aug 20, 2018 - 1:44 pm)

I am in commercial litigation (business and RE) but people that can make it in PI are good lawyers and do deserve respect. I have respect for whoever can make a living in an area of law - it is a pretty tough game.

I just moved from NYC to Florida, and for some reasons, here, everyone thinks PI lawyers are the most respected, I think because PI lawyers spend so much on ads, so I would say you are not exactly correct throughout the country.

Further, I don't have too much prestige for big law myself. True, many of the partners are really good, but so are a lot of non-big law partners. Almost everyone I know in big law washed out, and most of them had not even done a depo in their entire big law career, let a lone a trial, before leaving or being fired.

I worked in a large firm for 2 years in NYC years (100+ attorneys in the NY office) after being in a small firm for 8 years and the partners loved me because I had run cases before and could do everything, from EBT, to motions to trials (though they didnt let me do one). Anyway, the hours suck, and I moved to a better life with cheep day care and free grandparent baby-sitting.

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passportfan3 (Aug 19, 2018 - 9:01 pm)

PI prestige maps other law prestige: it's all about money.

Here's my map:

6. PI lawyers who represent immigrants and have ads in foreign languages -- the lowest.

5. Ordinary ambulance chasers.

4. The workers' comp guys. They represent normal working people and wring money out of insurance companies. Less grubbier than #5.

3. The false advertising guys. Suing large retailers.

2. The mass tort guys. Suing wealthy, heavily regulated industries.

1. The securities litigators. Suing Fortune 500 companies; going up against BigLaw.


General rule: The wealthier your clients or the defendant, the more prestigious you are.

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physicssezno (Aug 20, 2018 - 10:52 am)

I’ve thought about this a fair bit. I think there are a few stereotypes the pi Lawyer can fall into. (1) shyster seeking a quick buck and willing to shade the truth to do it and (2) noble seeker of justice/teacher vs the evil corporation.

Most people don’t know what it is we do until they themselves suffer some harm (even if it’s minor) and they scream holy heII about it. Then they want that pi Lawyer.

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mtbislife (Aug 20, 2018 - 11:02 am)

The point is no one wins from litigating a sprained wrist for three years, you are a net drain on society.

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mnjd (Aug 20, 2018 - 11:21 am)

I am the Slip and Fall, Sprain and Strain Maestro.

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mtbislife (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:02 pm)

Wouldnt you rather do work that has some value?

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mnjd (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:22 pm)

Isn't that what we all want? I hate that I help these worthless individuals. At least I can contribute to their drug habits, so there's my value.

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trickydick (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:04 pm)

“you are a net drain on society”

180

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mnjd (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:32 pm)

Hey now, I represented a meth head as a passenger that was driving with another meth head at the wheel. My guy was holding him hostage with a gun, or so defendant said. Meth head rams his car into a retaining wall because he is in fear for his life and totals the car. My guy takes off along with the homeless people in back because they had warrants.

Later on, meth head driver then gets in an single car accident with my guy's girlfriend. He decides its a good idea to call the police. They find a ton of heroine and used needles. I represent her for case against meth head as well. Six months down the road Defendant kills my guy's girlfriend, stuffs her in a bag, puts it in the closet and then takes himself out as well in a murder suicide. My guy calls me to inform me of this and he says how will this affect my case? I say if anything, its good for you! My guy is gleeful. Since the police report is not admissible, the only story that is admissible is my guy's story that Defendant lost control of vehicle.

Settlement! Making a difference one meth head at a time!

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mtbislife (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:37 pm)

You are not limited to this type of work forever, you have options.

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mnjd (Aug 20, 2018 - 12:47 pm)

HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I've got 4 kids and a stay at home wife. I make decent money to just scrape by. I wish I could take a risk and go solo as I've been in this field for over 10 years (over 4 as an attorney) and know what I'm doing and most importantly, how to get client's cheaply.

I would really like something stable. Had an ID job offered to me by GEICO two weeks ago. Salary was 75K. Couldn't make it work.

I'm definitely in a rut.

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physicssezno (Aug 20, 2018 - 10:53 am)

Btw, people admire the rich. So biglaw Lawyer, sure they’re rich. On the other hand, “corporate Lawyer” (which is basically a biglaw Lawyer) is pretty synonymous with evil in most people’s eyes.

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physicssezno (Aug 20, 2018 - 5:23 pm)

MTb, keep in mind that behind almost every defendant is a liability insurance company. Remind me how they (insurers and their lawyers) are not a net drain on society?

Collecting premiums and aggressively denying, delaying, and defending claims for years because....hmm...so investors at the Insurance Corp can invest and make billions?

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onehell (Aug 20, 2018 - 6:15 pm)

The plaintiff lawyers, the insurers, and the insured are all in a symbiotic relationship.

The lawyers need the insurers to make it worth suing. The insurance companies need the plaintiffs and their lawyers to make it worth buying policies. And the insured need the insurers so that they can continue acting negligently or ripping off customers (or worse) while absorbing the occasional lawsuit as a mere cost of doing business.

But if there were no insurance industry, as it would have been in the days of ancient common law which forbade the purchasing of someone else's right to sue or be sued, then there'd just be injured victims unable to receive compensation due to the lengths to which defendants would go to hide their assets. Or you'd return to the days of the debtors prison.

So there aren't really any good guys in this picture, but nor are there any villains. It just is what it is. No one in the picture is an asset to society, but they aren't really a drain on it either because the alternatives (severe tort reform and/or ending the concept of indemnity) are worse. On the plus side, the insurers will only let tort reform go so far. To a certain point it helps them and they'll be advocates for it, but if it goes too far, if it ever got to the point where people felt like it was so hard to sue someone that you don't even need insurance anymore, well then they'd put their massive lobbying muscle against it and kill it dead.

That's capitalism for ya. No villains, no heroes, just everyone acting in their own self-interest just like everyone else and ultimately arriving at a sort of crappy equilibrium.

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mtbislife (Aug 20, 2018 - 9:13 pm)

Yes but two wrongs dont make a right. Just like onehell mentioned, everybody is in it for themselves. This is not limited to PI attorneys or law though, the insurance industry and many other jobs now have little to no value or purpose beyond making your superiors as much money as humanly possible. Most people just cannot admit this to themselves and use justifications like “this is the way it is” or “I need to make a living” anytime they get that nagging feeling that something just isnt right.

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tcpaul (Aug 21, 2018 - 7:58 am)

Dude, people have a right to be compensated for the negligence of others. Insurers try to screw claimants (the legit ones included). Thus, plaintiffs' attorneys, who front their own money and take all the risk. Not sure how this is a "net drain" on society. We're leveling the playing field (and it is a field still heavily slanted against claimants and plaintiffs' attorneys).

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onehell (Aug 21, 2018 - 12:46 pm)

No, PI lawyers are not a net drain on society. Like most other jobs, they exist because there's a market for them, and there's a market for them because everyone worth suing has insurance.

Of course, reciprocally, there's a market for insurance largely because there are so many lawyers.

The net result is overall a good one and that is for the reasons you state. But it doesn't matter whether you're in it for your fee or because you believe in your client's cause, or both. That's capitalism. Again, there are neither heroes nor villains. No one is a "drain," but no one wears the white hat either. The whole concept of capitalism is that "bad" motives lead to good outcomes if you get the incentives right.

So as mtbislife said, a PI lawyer is just doing his job. That job is no more intrinsically good or bad than most other jobs.

But do keep in mind, the next time you're wrangling with an insurance company: They are your opponent at the micro level, so that's the dance. But at a macro level, you exist because of their industry, and they exist because of yours. That may sound "bad," but it isn't. Together you both exist because it gives injured people a means of redress. Injured people get compensated, you make money, the insurance companies make money, and the businesses that commit the negligent or otherwise bad acts can shift the risk to the insurer and thus keep on trucking. Win/win/win/win. It all feels icky, and it is kinda icky, but the alternatives are worse because then injured people would have no recourse.

PI lawyers often relish seeing themselves as David in a David & Goliath battle, but in truth both sides are dancing a dance that allows them both to keep dancing. You are not a net drain on society, and neither are they. Their motives aren't "good," but neither are yours, at least not entirely. But that's irrelevant. Motives don't need to be good for good to be accomplished.

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tcpaul (Aug 21, 2018 - 8:51 am)

I used to buy into the whole prestige thing. Admittedly, it's one of the reasons I misguidedly went to law school. But then I realized that the defense-side work I was doing was miserable, the other side had a higher quality of life, and overall just seemed happier. So I said screw what people think and made the jump.

I definitely don't have prestige now. But what I do have is several jury trials under my belt and have noticed a funny thing: when I catch a case against a self-insured defendant represented by a legit biglaw firm, the defense attorneys posture like crazy and evetually settle for far too much because they don't know how to try a case. I just settled one for 20x meds against a biglaw attorney and his associate. At the final ptc the judge had to explain the voire dire process to the biglaw attorney. It was painful. The associate told me that in the seven years he'd been practicing he'd never tried, not even as second chair, a single jury trial. So while I don't have prestige, I've got something else that I can't quite name but that feels deeply satisfying.

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bonefortuna (Aug 21, 2018 - 1:45 pm)

This has been my experience exactly. I started doing fairly decent ID work (multi-million dollar cases, fairly well known corporate clients) with a firm that paid above market rate. The quality of life was horrible given the billable hours and impossible to please partners / insurance adjusters / clients.

Now, I work for a PI mill – high volume low level litigation – that has a network of doctors who can interpret any MRI as an indicator for surgery. The quality of life is great. The co-workers are great. The money is better. And I get to try cases. The “downside” of losing prestige is a ridiculous concept.

I think it should be a requirement for any aspiring law student to go get a job for a year or two outside of law and realize that a job is job; work is work. If you can figure out a way to make a living with decent peripherals (quality of life, hours, etc.) then what else should matter?

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 4:20 pm)

Yeah, janitors, plumbers, and the guy who puts dogs to sleep at the pound probably take pride in their work, too. As long as it puts food on the table, you have no reason to be ashamed of your job.

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wutwutwut (Aug 21, 2018 - 4:32 pm)

Bricklaying - that's an honorable profession. And what's wrong with... with fixing somebody's car? Someone can get to work the next day because of me. There's honor in that.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 7:45 pm)

Agreed.

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mtbislife (Aug 21, 2018 - 4:58 pm)

I didnt say anything about prestige, I am saying that litigating some sprain resulting from the sidewalk being uneven by one inch provides no benefit to society, and as others mentioned can be an overall detriment. It doesnt matter that you make a living off of it or feel cool as a trial attorney.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 1:41 pm)

There’s a lesson to be learned by public perceptions of PI attorneys. Yes, people show deference to people with money, but that’s not the same thing as respecting them. People cater to the rich drug dealer who peddles crack and heroin to school kids but no one respects him. The guy who gets rich by flipping houses or selling time shares or used cars or handling PI claims is in the same boat. Yes, some people have views of social crusaders who file mass tort claims against huge corporations, but the public does not generally conflate that image with the the ambulance chaser who files frivolous claims for soft tissue injuries in low impact cases where the collision scarcely even leaves a dent on the car.

Even a hack can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by filing BS bodily injury claims where clients get sent to chiros and orthos on the take. A shrewd and selective attorney can make millions running a PI mill. But money doesn’t equate to intelligence, hard work, compassion or any other positive qualities people value and respect. You don’t need to be especially intelligent or hard working to make money in PI. More importantly, whether you’re on claimants’ side or defense side, there is one characteristic that will guarantee you never succeed as a PI attorney and which is why the general public views the area of practice with skepticism: honesty. In litigating these garbage cases, the truth is the greatest obstacle to your success. That tells you everything you need to know about PI attorneys.

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nycatt (Aug 21, 2018 - 5:20 pm)

Good people treat everyone with respect. Anyone requiring some extraneous factor to grant another respect is someone not worth knowing.

BTW, how long have you been litigating? I am a litigator in commercial law in my tenth year and know plenty of PI attorneys, and they are either good at what they do or wash out, like every area of litigation. I think if you are a real litigator, you have to respect the people that make a living in this really hard business, no matter the area. It's an art and its brutal.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 7:44 pm)

“Good people treat everyone with respect.”

By that standard, most lawyers aren’t good people.

“if you are a real litigator, you have to respect the people that make a living in this really hard business”

Litigating nickel and dime PI cases takes the same level of skill involved in shoveling sh*t on a farm. And I’ve met attorneys who can’t litigate worth a damn who make millions. It’s a volume business, not a skill based one.

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nycatt (Aug 21, 2018 - 10:34 pm)

"By that standard, most lawyers aren’t good people."

Well, can't disagree with that. It took me a long time to find a group of attorneys to work for that I like. I had to pay some serious dues to make that happen and put up with some serious abuse. Indeed, most lawyers are not good people.

"Litigating nickel and dime PI cases takes the same level of skill involved in shoveling sh*t on a farm. And I’ve met attorneys who can’t litigate worth a damn who make millions. It’s a volume business, not a skill based one."

I don't know what your point is, but I worked at a big firm and the same thing can be said about some of the partners there. To get ahead in this game, its not about winning trials. Its about winning clients.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 11:48 pm)

“To get ahead in this game, its not about winning trials. Its about winning clients.”

I couldn’t agree more.

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onehell (Aug 21, 2018 - 5:26 pm)

I don't think there's much to be learned from public perception. The bar, for example, has tried to learn lessons from public perception and it's led to absurdities like some states' mandatory pro bono where lawyers get involuntarily conscripted into the bar's PR efforts.

The truth is, we just mop up the messes our clients create. But we get blamed for them and there's no way to avoid it. If you step in dogsh*t it doesn't matter that it wasn't your dog; you're still the one with dogsh*t on your shoe.

General public will always regard lawyers as greedy/devious/etc, except for prosecutors, because we will always be blamed for the things our clients do. If anything, we should care less about these unalterable perceptions, not more, and focus on meeting the needs of clients and (of course) on trying to bring supply and demand within the profession into some semblance of alignment.

The reputation that matters is your reputation with other lawyers, judges, referral sources, ancillary support providers like expert witnesses and court reporters and support staff, and actual current/former/prospective clients who can pay their bills. The opinions of anyone else are pretty unalterable, but they are also irrelevant: Most people don't need lawyers regularly, and those that do usually have no choice.

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tcpaul (Aug 21, 2018 - 6:50 pm)

Where do you practice, as in what world? I might spin facts but I would never risk my reputation or bar license over a PI case and I don't know any attorneys that would.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 7:38 pm)

I’ve witnessed attorneys lying in court. I’ve heard them admit to making misrepresentations to the court. It happens.

“I might spin facts”

If calling it that helps you sleep at night, more power to you.

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tcpaul (Aug 21, 2018 - 8:16 pm)

Ok, dude. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about PI attorneys. Are you miserable in your job? Do you envy PI attorneys? Is some PI attorney you're up against working less than you, making more, and living a more enjoyable life? I mean really what's the deal? What kind of law do you practice? Not sure I'm aware of any area of the law where a good attorney doesn't try to put facts in the best light possible.

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 8:19 pm)

Don’t get defensive.

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tcpaul (Aug 21, 2018 - 8:20 pm)

I obviously hit too close to home. Sorry you're jelly.

*edit - I should have replied, "Then don't get offensive."

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trickydick (Aug 21, 2018 - 8:29 pm)

Take a deep breath. Try to relax. This is a safe space.

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tcpaul (Aug 22, 2018 - 4:46 am)

Don't be a hypocrite. You're attacking a large part of the profession and telling me not to get "defensive" and this is a "safe place". Safe from what? Not from someone like you maligning a large portion of the profession.

You can respond now. I'll let you have the last word. I noticed you didn't answer my questions above.

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trickydick (Aug 22, 2018 - 11:47 am)

Okay.

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esquirewalletsmatter (Aug 22, 2018 - 12:36 pm)

So there are no doctors and chiros on the take? Or defense attorneys doing everything in their power to go, nope not us. Law is far from a noble profession. It's basically cleaning up shyte caused by your client or someone else. But hey if you step in shyte and smell like shyte, it makes one covered in shyte. Nature of the beast.

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wallypancake (Aug 22, 2018 - 2:40 pm)

Back in the day it wasn't "spin facts," it was massaging the data. Spin the facts is a different kind of lying.

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jmoney (Aug 30, 2018 - 10:27 pm)

I'm not here for the love and admiration of John Q Public. I'm here for the love and admiration of myself.

I have respect and much love for the guy with the landscaping business with tan skin and sweat all over. Same with the guy that owns a fleet of garbage trucks.

If I was looking for respect, I'd search for respect from the opposing counsel. Does he/she know I am a worthy adversary?

Some of the best lawyers I know are P side personal injury attorneys, they are absolute monsters. They laugh about how people hate "ambulance chasers" all the way to the F'in bank.

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trickydick (Aug 31, 2018 - 11:54 am)

Con artists typically laugh all the way to the bank.

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mtbislife (Aug 31, 2018 - 11:58 am)

Yeah, most sociopaths arent concerned with things like honesty and what is good for society.

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parlance (Sep 3, 2018 - 12:41 pm)

Hard to imagine this job as prestigious. Other lawyers wince when I tell them I'm in that practice area.

Nothing new to me at all. College was littered with snobs and their exclusive clubs.

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catwoman333 (Sep 12, 2018 - 11:22 pm)

I've stopped telling people I'm a lawyer, esp. when traveling in confined spaces like trains or planes. I noticed when I do, they start telling me about their problems, bugging me for FREE legal advice, and get ticked off when I decline to give it.

I once had a next door neighbor whose BF kept nagging me for free legal advice--even after I firmly but politely declined. After 15 min. of his endless nagging, I finally said, "What do you do for a living?" He said "Dentist". I then told him I would gladly give him free legal advice, if he would first agree to give me a free full set of teeth x-rays. That shut him up but also ended the "friendship" (with neighbor and BF)…:).

Now, to avoid all that hassle when I travel, I just tell people sitting next to me that I'm a photographer (true--it's a hobby) or in pest control (I do kill fire ants and spiders if I see one in my home).

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trickydick (Sep 13, 2018 - 1:12 am)

Yes, I avoid telling people I’m a lawyer.

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veritas144 (Sep 12, 2018 - 10:15 pm)

The most revealing message from this entire thread is “trickydick” shying away from any type of coherent response to tcpaul. “Trickydick” sounds like a frustrated and miserable human being.

The funny thing is that when “trickydick” becomes the victim of negligence one day (which, let’s face it, he probably will with his luck), his life will depend on a PI attorney.

The legal profession was founded on the principle that individuals such as “trickydick” who are unable to express themselves coherently should be represented by competent and educated people. These vulnerable members of society - widows, children, and the injured - need all the help they can get. I hardly consider someone who works for Big Law an authentic attorney. They are not helping the vulnerable. They’re basically corporate whores. What is terrible about the legal profession today is the dumb “trickydicks” who have no concept of what law is even about.

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trickydick (Sep 13, 2018 - 12:00 am)

I apologize for hurting your feelings. Hopefully you will be able to pull yourself together and move on from this.

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mtbislife (Sep 13, 2018 - 2:04 am)

Maybe you and tcpaul can convince your seedy chiro to perform another injection and then demand 6k instead of 5k! Now thats justice!

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catwoman333 (Sep 12, 2018 - 11:06 pm)

The nickname for PI lawyer is "ambulance chaser" and surveys consistently rank attys lower than Congress in public esteem. I think that answers TD's original Q, however sarcastic or ironic.

Everyone hates lawyers--until they go screw up their lives (commit crimes, cheat on their spouses, get evicted, get into DUI accidents etc.), then they come crawling to us to bail them out of their mistakes....:)

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physicssezno (Sep 13, 2018 - 12:31 am)

In the words of a US Senator I met: “everyone is real down on Lawyers until they need one. Then they want the baddest as* one they can find.”

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veritas144 (Sep 14, 2018 - 7:01 pm)

Thanks for the kind apology trickydick. By the way, what do you do for a living? Or are you too embarrassed to share that with the group?

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trickydick (Sep 14, 2018 - 8:42 pm)

You’re welcome. My goal here is not to hurt people’s feelings, yours or anyone else’s. So I’m sorry about hurting yours.

I am very ashamed of what I do. I am a personal injury attorney. When people in real life ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I am a grave robber to avoid having to disclose the sordid truth.

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veritas144 (Sep 15, 2018 - 6:23 am)

I’m sorry to hear that. I now see why you have so much built up anger and self hate. That must be awful being in a career that brings you shame. You should definitely switch careers! People are not good and do not succeed at careers they hate. If you were just kidding about being a PI attorney, I feel even worse for you because you are ashamed of even saying what you do.

Regardless, if it helps you at all, remember that the greatest thing humans can do is to help the weak in society. This is true whether you are a secular or religious person. Isaiah 1:17 says “Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows.” PI attorneys do precisely this job.

You are probably just young and unfamiliar with inspiring attorneys in your profession. Some of the greatest attorneys in the U.S. are in fact PI attorneys. Look up Thomas Moore Esq. (the reason resident work hours are limited to 80 in the U.S.), Jim Beasley, and Joe Jamail (11 bill dollar verdict against Penzoil). Also, learn a little about the medical device industry and how much damage it inflicts on Americans every day. Watch the Bleeding Edge. Attorneys are the saviors and protectors of Americans bud, not the opposite. Again, if you are lying about being a PI attorney, then obviously ignore my advice, and really rethink whatever other lousy job it is that you have and how you are truly helping anyone or society.

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mtbislife (Sep 18, 2018 - 10:01 am)

Most PI attorneys do not handle the types of cases you mention. Trying to swipe a couple grand from a fender bender is hardly helping the oppressed. Attorneys in general have done way more to advance the interests of big business at the detriment of America as a whole and winning the occasional verdict against a med device manufacturer does not make up for that. PI attorneys are largely responsible for the “there should be a sign” and everyone needing a permit to do anything culture that exists in the US.

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wutwutwut (Sep 18, 2018 - 10:18 am)

"Not Intended For Human Consumption"

(Warning on a bass fishing lure I picked up last week)

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trickydick (Sep 18, 2018 - 5:06 pm)

Okay.

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tcpaul (Sep 18, 2018 - 8:36 pm)

Good to see this thread is going strong.

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