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What do you love MOST about being an attorney?

To much negativity on this site. I love being a lawyer. It d hotshot09/21/18
I think it all comes down to what motivated people to get in newjag1709/21/18
Exchanging pithy comments with my partners about the job per themapmaster09/21/18
While I am fed up and actively seeking an exit from this tra bittersweet09/21/18
Hi @bittersweet. Just curious, how is that exit search go catwoman33309/22/18
Slow. I'm fortunate that I have a gig in doc review, but I' bittersweet09/25/18
To be honest, I don't hate being an attorney and don't love wutwutwut09/21/18
I love winning. I sometimes use this site to vent about my j thirdtierlaw09/21/18
This is why I never want to be a judge. God bless those who plunky09/21/18
It's an in-demand profession. It's not yet completely owned jeffm09/21/18
"It's an in-demand profession." With all due respect, law catwoman33309/22/18
There will always be a need for good lawyers. Run of the mil 2breedbares09/28/18
"It's an in demand profession" may be the most idiotic thing professionalloser09/25/18
Agreed! bittersweet09/25/18
What I like most about the law is that if things work like t onehell09/21/18
I can relate to Onehell's sentiment a lot. I manage a few bu palmtree1909/22/18
Exactly. This is why I can't understand why people put so mu onehell09/24/18
I like the diversity of opportunities it's given me. My ent porochi09/21/18
"I still gripe all the time about this profession, I get som catwoman33309/22/18
I like what I do. I make good money and I have a nice level isthisit09/21/18
I work as a solo atty. Likes: 1. I set my own schedu catwoman33309/22/18
What profession are we talking about here? Law? Seriou patenttrollnj09/22/18
What's bad about your experience? jeffm09/22/18
That's the subject of a whole other thread (but I've spoken patenttrollnj09/22/18
There are parts of it I don’t mind so much, other parts I wolfboy09/22/18
I want to chime in as well that I love being an attorney. I a8464809/22/18
Thanks for the responses people! I’m glad to see it’s no hotshot09/22/18
I don’t think that in many ways being an attorney is funda trickydick09/22/18
I'll second trickydick, the money. Number two for me is flex tcpaul09/23/18
Yeah, but isn't that cool? It's efficient. You don't waste jeffm09/23/18
Again, the profession being described here resembles nothing patenttrollnj09/23/18
Court - I do workers' compensation, which I know is quite di youngbuck09/24/18
I definitely enjoy many aspects of being an attorney. My on jd4hire09/24/18
I LOVE coding documents. It's so much fun. And I love having section8rick09/24/18
If it were regular, it would be more appealing. I like work bittersweet09/25/18
I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling right now. I hope yo hotshot09/27/18
I live for the build up of almost getting clients and then t lolwutjobs09/25/18
It’s a disappointing experience but you have to keep tryin hotshot09/27/18
The adrenaline rush of arguing in court. jmoney09/26/18
I love how in demand the profession is. professionalloser09/28/18
Cons: Dealing with incompetent (and in some instances unethi harrysach09/28/18
Law has made me a more complete human and has given me the s 2breedbares09/28/18
Depends. Since this is JDU, these are the answers of what wallypancake09/28/18
Immigration: when your loser client gets his Green Card or g isthisit09/28/18
I realize you're telling some jokes. Enjoyed the post. Just jmoney09/30/18
I'll add local government lawyers: actually getting paid jmoney09/30/18
Collections: thrill of having a pro se debtor or novice judg billcarson10/31/18
LOL @ the free tap water. junkwired11/01/18
While I do like my job, all in all, there are negatives. I' porochi10/05/18
Great thread! I love being an attorney. Some things that I l associatex10/31/18
It has validated my bleak and pessimistic outlook on the hum billcarson10/31/18
lol well the obvious hyperbole aside, there are several stud onehell10/31/18
"There is only one profession where pessimistic people tend wutwutwut11/01/18
The best part for me is not exclusive to being an attorney, blakesq11/01/18
A friend/colleague of mine once said that his ideal of a per dilemma201811/02/18
Today I'll add: when the OG partner sees me bullsh*tting wit jmoney11/02/18

hotshot (Sep 21, 2018 - 4:38 pm)

To much negativity on this site. I love being a lawyer. It didn’t work out for some folks but I can’t imagine a better job. Let’s try to spark a little positive attitude about this gig. For me it’s the people oriented nature of the business. I’m a social butterfly. Practicing law is all about people skills. If you got that then you got a lock on this deal. If you’re not a people person than you got no business with a bar card.

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newjag17 (Sep 21, 2018 - 5:29 pm)

I think it all comes down to what motivated people to get into law along with job expectations. I actually really enjoy and take pride in being an attorney--I think you have the potential to help people in difficult times, be part of a solution to problems and make a solid income. Also, it is one of those degrees a person could use in different capacities--I still remember an article from law school about how people were using their law degree in creative ways.
What I love reading on this site is how different the legal experiences are--there are BigLaw posters, military, Govt, solos, etc--

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themapmaster (Sep 21, 2018 - 5:39 pm)

Exchanging pithy comments with my partners about the job performance of secretaries.

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bittersweet (Sep 21, 2018 - 6:28 pm)

While I am fed up and actively seeking an exit from this trade masquerading as a profession, I do like the aspect of finding the evidence and building the case against against the other side. It's not all bad - just 99.99%.

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catwoman333 (Sep 22, 2018 - 2:47 pm)

Hi @bittersweet.

Just curious, how is that exit search going and do you have suggestions for others interested in changing careers? I'm kind of in the SAME boat. Any ideas are appreciated!

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bittersweet (Sep 25, 2018 - 4:18 pm)

Slow. I'm fortunate that I have a gig in doc review, but I'm ACTIVELY looking for an out. I thought I had one back in 2016, but it didn't pan out and I had to come back to the DR circuit to keep my bills paid.

Once you have a decade of DR on your resume it's kind of tough to leave it off. I'm trying to finagle a way into finding a job with my undergrad degree (Business), where the JD will be an advantage, but I can only afford so much of a pay cut in this town while still paying $550/m in loans for the next decade. And the DC area ain't cheap. But I'm trying to stay here - at least in this area I can pay most of my bills by doing doc reviews if ANOTHER exit plan falls apart.

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wutwutwut (Sep 21, 2018 - 6:36 pm)

To be honest, I don't hate being an attorney and don't love it. I like it fine. I also liked what I was doing before just fine, too.

The only difference is I make a lot more money as a lawyer, and I went into law specifically to make more money.

I've never figured on having a job that made me truly happy (the job itself) or that I "found fulfilling". The job is just the means to the end of living life happily and comfortably. I'll take my fulfillment outside of work.

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thirdtierlaw (Sep 21, 2018 - 7:11 pm)

I love winning. I sometimes use this site to vent about my job, there are definitely times my anxiety caused by my job is out of control. However there are few things as rewarding as busting your butt on a tough case, slugging it out at trial, nearly dying from anticipation while the jury deliberates, and then hearing those magical words of "not guilty."

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plunky (Sep 21, 2018 - 8:51 pm)

This is why I never want to be a judge. God bless those who do, but you don't get to win.

Also, for me, it was criminal defense work. Nothing gets me up more than defending someone's life/freedom/career, especially when I'm the only one who gives a damn.

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jeffm (Sep 21, 2018 - 7:37 pm)

It's an in-demand profession. It's not yet completely owned by corporate America and can be easily entered into by anyone with a bar card, cell phone and computer. The pay rate is good. You can set your own hours and even not work at all when you wish.** It's a very diverse profession, ranging from litigation to estate-planning to regulatory to transactional, etc. So, you can easily get out of one type of work and into another.**

** subject to your income needs.

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catwoman333 (Sep 22, 2018 - 12:39 am)

"It's an in-demand profession."

With all due respect, lawyers are a dime a dozen. I know MANY lawyers who are either under/unemployed or struggling for YEARS in low-pay, dead end document review jobs.

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2breedbares (Sep 28, 2018 - 11:52 am)

There will always be a need for good lawyers. Run of the mill lawyers are a dime a dozen.

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professionalloser (Sep 25, 2018 - 10:16 am)

"It's an in demand profession" may be the most idiotic thing you've ever posted on this board.

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bittersweet (Sep 25, 2018 - 4:18 pm)

Agreed!

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onehell (Sep 21, 2018 - 10:04 pm)

What I like most about the law is that if things work like they're supposed to, the stuff that shouldn't matter doesn't matter. If there are no relevant disputes of fact, or if the damages are de minimis, or if the issue is moot, or if the contract is clear, then disputes either don't get brought, they get negotiated away, or they at least get narrowed and clarified down to just what matters.

In the regular world, you don't get that. The pettiest of squabbles become big wasters of time and resources, and you have to worry much more about how people will FEEL about things. As a lawyer, you provide objectivity that your clients lack. You help them distinguish the hills worth dying on from the ones not even worth climbing, and if used preventively you can keep them from doing stupid things in the first place. That doesn't mean becoming the "department of no," but it does mean keeping the desired result as free as possible of unintended consequences.

I also find that lawyers (and judges etc) really read, and they truly listen, **IF** they're good. Most people make snap judgments, rarely cite their sources, and find the most persuasive argument in the world to be "that's the way we've always done it." Lawyers, OTOH, are inculcated in a world where you truly listen to both sides before making up your own mind. But in the "regular" world, most people don't listen so much as wait for their turn to talk.

Don't get me wrong. There's so much that I hate about it. Enough that I cannot say I'd still do it if I had it to do over. But there are things I like, and the feeling of being the one who makes problems go away in an efficient, ethical and responsible way so that everyone else can clear aside the distraction and get back to business or life in general, that I like.

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palmtree19 (Sep 22, 2018 - 3:04 pm)

I can relate to Onehell's sentiment a lot. I manage a few businesses on the side of my ADA/PD job, and it's completely insane how much time, money, and energy I have to devote trying to keep illogical angry people from killing each other over completely asinine disputes/grudges.

There are a few lawyers I don't like, but it's usually because they play the law game too hard and it causes me to work weekends sometimes. However, they all seem to know where "the line" is and they don't cross it. It's never been personal, at least with me.

Non-lawyers on the other hand, ALL seem to have personal long-running grudges with everyone they work with/against ALL of the time. It's colossally time-wasting and stressful, and I'll just never get it.

Maybe I've just been lucky with the lawyers I work with, but they tend to have a lot more perspective than the majority of people, even educated successful people.

If I had to choose between the businesses and the law, I'm staying a lawyer.

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onehell (Sep 24, 2018 - 3:22 pm)

Exactly. This is why I can't understand why people put so much blame on lawyers for creating a "litigious" society. Most lawyers who litigate turn down more cases than they take precisely because they only take cases that are worth taking.

Lawyers are, in many ways, gatekeepers. Sure you can file a lawsuit pro per if you want, but the courts have made it deliberately difficult to do so. If we got rid of lawyers and made it easy for people to seek redress in the courts by themselves the courts would be more overwhelmed, not less. People have this vision in their heads of everyone just joining hands and singing kumbaya if there weren't all these evil greedy lawyers goading them on to fight with promises of lottery-style windfalls. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Look at small claims courts for example. Here, legislatures enacted a very commonsense solution: Let's get rid of lawyers, motion practice, discovery, appeals, all of that. Let's give people a quick and dirty dispute resolution system where all they have to do is file a hand-written one-page complaint, serve it, and show up to a 15 minute trial. The result? Dockets inundated with nutjob trivial problems wasting taxpayer resources on silly grudges. I've literally seen people file pro per small claims suits over twenty dollar wrongs. People fight more, not less, without us. Any small claims court in the country is living proof that removing lawyers from the equation doesn't make people any less awful to one another.

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porochi (Sep 21, 2018 - 10:13 pm)

I like the diversity of opportunities it's given me. My entire practice has been as a govt. atty., for 24 yrs. But I've worked as a prosecutor, criminal defense atty., military atty. (JAG), civil rights atty., general civil litigator, asylum officer, business law adjunct, pro tem judge, administrative law atty., and as a county atty., state atty. and now federal atty. I've accompanied SWAT teams on drug raids, interviewed illegal aliens seeking asylum, investigated civil rights violations on Indian reservations, tried homicide cases to a jury, defended felons, advised Army Generals, reviewed Hillary Clinton's emails from her private server (yes, I really did that for the govt.) I mean, hell, what's next? And I still gripe all the time about this profession, I get some sort of weird schadenfreude from reading this board. But frankly, I can't see myself doing anything but being an atty. I don't make near as much money as I'd like but all in all, I do ok and feel guilty complaining about making just shy of $150k annually

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catwoman333 (Sep 22, 2018 - 1:08 am)

"I still gripe all the time about this profession, I get some sort of weird schadenfreude from reading this board." LOL. ME TOO!

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isthisit (Sep 21, 2018 - 10:52 pm)

I like what I do. I make good money and I have a nice level of presftige.

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catwoman333 (Sep 22, 2018 - 1:53 am)

I work as a solo atty.

Likes:

1. I set my own schedule, hours, caseload size, and wear what I damn well please when I'm not in court or meeting a client. If I want I can take a 2-hour lunch without jeopardizing my job. Today, it was a beautiful day. I had no client meetings scheduled and after 1 short hearing in court, I went straight to the swimming pool, then to lunch and a movie. No slogging through daily rat-race rush hour traffic, back and forth to an office EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yay!!

2. No stressful office politics/melodrama, or bosses in my face demanding that I work faster/longer/harder to make THEM richer.

3. Not having to FIRST check with the boss/HR to negotiate vacation or sick leave or feeling guilty for even asking to take them.

4. No constant worry about being laid off or fired from a job (or workplace) I really hate tempered by relief at being laid off or fired from a job (or workplace) I really hate.

Overall, I don't regret leaving the "Conventional Job" rat-race world behind. I didn't know how much I valued the freedom of being a solo until I actually experienced it. Having worked this way for a few years now I realize it would be a big psychological adjustment to return to working FT in someone else's firm or organization. Of course, sometimes I do envy those who take for granted employer-paid health care benefits, pension, etc. and the "illusion" of job stability, but what job is really "stable" or "guaranteed" in the 21st Century? When I start to worry about bills, uncertainty, "the future" etc., I flip on the TV and watch others slogging through morning traffic gridlock. That quickly cheers me up and reminds me why I left that world behind.


I'll never get rich being a solo, but if I have enough $$ to pay for a roof over my head, food in my stomach, and healthcare insurance, I'm a pretty happy camper.

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patenttrollnj (Sep 22, 2018 - 11:27 am)

What profession are we talking about here? Law?

Seriously, I'm glad it worked out for many of you. Clearly, there are plenty of successful and/or happy lawyers out there, and that's good. I'm not one of them. Reading this is like I've entered the twilight zone or something.

However, if we are going to be positive (at least try to be positive), the thing I like most about being a lawyer is that you seem to develop a real understanding of how things REALLY work and how society REALLY functions. So many people out there are so oblivious to things, yet lawyers need to jump right into all the headaches and nonsense and figure things out.

That's one thing I do like about law.

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jeffm (Sep 22, 2018 - 12:51 pm)

What's bad about your experience?

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patenttrollnj (Sep 22, 2018 - 1:53 pm)

That's the subject of a whole other thread (but I've spoken about it on this forum before).

Regardless, it's the positive I'm trying to focus on .... and I do affirm what I said above. Lawyers have a real grasp of the machinations of society, which is something most intelligent and/or well educated people don't often seem to grasp.

Also, if I am to add to this, I've developed a real respect for words and the English language. Not sure that would have happened had I stuck with my bio PhD.

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wolfboy (Sep 22, 2018 - 12:53 pm)

There are parts of it I don’t mind so much, other parts I hate, and a few parts I like. Less and less of the latter as time goes by. Mostly it comes down to enjoying the part of practice that actually requires you to use your gray matter and think. People need mental stimulation whether we’re talking about writing a motion or putting together a jigsaw puzzle.

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a84648 (Sep 22, 2018 - 1:34 pm)

I want to chime in as well that I love being an attorney. I work as a prosecutor and in my office, I have discretion to make charging decisions and work on cases that matter. I love working with defense attorneys who are excellent and hold my feet to the fire to ensure I can prove my case(s) proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

I love that my cases are never the same, that I get to take field trips, interact with experts, law enforcement, the public and evidence. I love that I am almost never bored, I get to go to court and I get to do jury trials.

Like hotshot, I like working with people and criminal cases are all about people. I get a fair salary which provides for my family, for me to own a home and live a comfortable middle class life. I will never be rich but I am ok with this as time with my family is far more important and I have a good work/home life balance. I rarely work over 45 hours a week and always have my weekends free.

Finally, I love conducting research and trying to figure out what to charge in a case and how to prove it (if I can).

My job is my dream job and I hope to remain as a prosecutor or as a judge during the duration of my career.

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hotshot (Sep 22, 2018 - 2:56 pm)

Thanks for the responses people! I’m glad to see it’s not all gloom and doom here. Yeah being attorney that can be tough and stressful but in the end if you’ve got the right attitude it’s a super rewarding career.

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trickydick (Sep 22, 2018 - 4:27 pm)

I don’t think that in many ways being an attorney is fundamentally different from any other white collar job with a high stress level. Then again, I am reluctant to tell people that I am an attorney. I usually avoid the topic and consider it taboo to ask someone what they do for a living. There’s too much of a stigma attached to being an attorney.

What do I like most about it? The money.

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tcpaul (Sep 23, 2018 - 12:01 pm)

I'll second trickydick, the money. Number two for me is flexibility. Not too many jobs where you can do a depo in the morning, call it a day, and play golf. Of course then I'm responding to emails at 9:00 at night...

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jeffm (Sep 23, 2018 - 1:59 pm)

Yeah, but isn't that cool? It's efficient. You don't waste your life sitting in an office when your time isn't needed. You can go out and use that time productively. You work when work demands it.

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patenttrollnj (Sep 23, 2018 - 6:36 pm)

Again, the profession being described here resembles nothing like the profession I know. Money? Flexibility? STRESS?? (what stress? the job is mere paper pushing!). Hell, half the time you don't even need a brain to do what lawyers do.

This is emblematic of just how divergent career paths in the practice of law can be. Some lawyers have very rewarding experiences, while others can barely pay rent. Still others waste away doing paper work. It's a crapshoot, much more so than most other professions.

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youngbuck (Sep 24, 2018 - 7:59 am)

Court - I do workers' compensation, which I know is quite different from superior court work. I have found it to be very collegial, friendly, and enjoyable. I've dealt with hundreds of adversaries over the past 7 years, and can count the nasty ones on one hand. Overall, I really enjoy interacting with other attorneys at court.

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jd4hire (Sep 24, 2018 - 10:15 am)

I definitely enjoy many aspects of being an attorney. My only real gripe is difficulty getting ahead money wise, but I think that applies to nearly everyone.

Things I really love about being an attorney:

- Strongly contested court arguments on dispositive motions;
- Collegiality amongst my bar;
- Oral arguments with the Supremes;
- A solid research and writing project (appellate briefs or weighty oppositions to motions for summary judgment/ dismiss);
- Achieving a long shot result;
- Genuine gratitude from your client; and
- The ability to effectuate real change for an individual and to shape policy for my community/ state through litigation.

I just hope the money follows and I achieve some level of financial security/ ability to enjoy myself with travel in the back end of my life.

I have significant confidence I will be able to do so given my current position and trajectory for the future.

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section8rick (Sep 24, 2018 - 9:54 pm)

I LOVE coding documents. It's so much fun. And I love having left-wing wack-job co-workers who need to announce their political views to anyone who will listen 4 or 5 times a day, every day. They're the best.

But in seriousness, I get to sit on my ass in a temperature-controlled room all day. So that's good.

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bittersweet (Sep 25, 2018 - 4:41 pm)

If it were regular, it would be more appealing. I like working indoors. I can deal with the boredom of doc review and some nutjob co-workers (though the vast majority are just fine). But there are a couple things that make it tough to deal with.

The way you are treated by others in the "profession." I understand that I'm a temp. But I passed the graduated law school and passed the bar. Several of them. Please don't treat me like an eight year old that hasn't done his/her homework. Some people win the crapshoot, some don't. That's no reason to treat the ones there were less fortunate as the crapped on.

People say they like the money. Great - Spread it around. Money would make it a lot more tolerable. I borrowed about 95,K to attend law school in the mid-nineties. I made more than that in a year only once since then. I consider anything that gets 2/3rds of that to be a good year.I want a position with health insurance, vacation and some sort of 401K match. Is that REALLY asking for that much?

But the worst thing is the insecurity. If the case I'm on settles suddenly I am out of a job and have to start looking again. Sure, the agency I usually work with will use me again - they know I do a good job. But after 15 years of this I'm conflicted out of half of their regular clients. The more experience you have the less you are allowed to work. And these breaks can last for months.

Sorry for derailing a "positive" thread. Sometimes you gotta vent.

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hotshot (Sep 27, 2018 - 9:30 am)

I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling right now. I hope you catch another break soon. Stay positive.

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lolwutjobs (Sep 25, 2018 - 4:52 pm)

I live for the build up of almost getting clients and then the sweet release that comes when it doesn't happen

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hotshot (Sep 27, 2018 - 9:27 am)

It’s a disappointing experience but you have to keep trying to drum up business.

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jmoney (Sep 26, 2018 - 7:44 pm)

The adrenaline rush of arguing in court.

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professionalloser (Sep 28, 2018 - 11:24 am)

I love how in demand the profession is.

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harrysach (Sep 28, 2018 - 12:25 pm)

Cons: Dealing with incompetent (and in some instances unethical) opposing counsel; wasting time responding to frivolous briefs and arguments; lots of hours; personal attacks made by losers.

Pros: Rewarding work helping those who can't help themselves; most judges try to get it right; intellectually stimulating work.

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2breedbares (Sep 28, 2018 - 12:43 pm)

Law has made me a more complete human and has given me the skills to make a positive impact on my community. I have found it surprisingly versatile.

The stability and flexibility is great (I work for state govt). I have the time to pursue other interests and still make a six figure salary. I leave my work at work most of the time. I realize this isn't the norm. But if I want to strive and overachieve, I can do that too.

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wallypancake (Sep 28, 2018 - 3:25 pm)

Depends.

Since this is JDU, these are the answers of what these people love most about being an attorney:

Doc review attorney: telling people that doc review is the best option (setting them straight)
Biglaw partner: telling people not to go to law school
Personal injury lawyer: the satisfaction of winning a $300 payout from a multi-billion dollar insurance company
Biglaw junior associate: the dinner because everything else sucks
Biglaw senior associate: when the prozac kicks in
Family law lawyer: when you successfully won the $20 toaster
ID lawyer: the free tap water
Disability lawyer: when your client finally gets on foodstamps

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isthisit (Sep 28, 2018 - 6:49 pm)

Immigration: when your loser client gets his Green Card or gets put in proceedings and eventually VD/Deported.

So long as his bill is paid in full.

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jmoney (Sep 30, 2018 - 12:33 am)

I realize you're telling some jokes. Enjoyed the post. Just want to say you could have ragged on a lot more kinds of lawyers: many of us weren't included in your list.

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jmoney (Sep 30, 2018 - 12:40 am)

I'll add

local government lawyers: actually getting paid your whole bill every month.

Civil litigators: winning attorneys fees after showing the other side is a piece of s*it

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billcarson (Oct 31, 2018 - 8:36 am)

Collections: thrill of having a pro se debtor or novice judge call the hearing a “business litigation matter.”

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junkwired (Nov 1, 2018 - 9:17 am)

LOL @ the free tap water.

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porochi (Oct 5, 2018 - 10:29 pm)

While I do like my job, all in all, there are negatives. I'm agency counsel for a federal agency that gets sued a lot. So I spend much of my time getting yelled at by condescending Asst. U.S. Attorneys. As agency counsel I'm about as low on the totem pole as you can get in the federal atty. hierarchy. I am a DOJ go-fer-get me this, get me that, draft me an Answer, draft me a Declaration, answering why does your agency do such stupid stuff all the time, etc., etc. Most agency counsel I know work on policy issues and advise agency management on high level legal issues. I spend almost all my time supporting DOJ with civil litigation and basically am their agency liaison and law clerk. I even do document review, inside the federal government, helping DOJ with discovery productions.

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associatex (Oct 31, 2018 - 12:11 am)

Great thread! I love being an attorney. Some things that I love about it:

1. I get paid to just think and come up with creative solutions.
2. Schedule is different every day. I can do an EUO or EBT 1 day and the next day a trial or CLE. I am not sitting in a cubicle from 9-5pm.
3. Flexibility - i can jet out for a 2 hr lunch, boss doesnt care as long as we get the work done and client is happy.

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billcarson (Oct 31, 2018 - 8:25 am)

It has validated my bleak and pessimistic outlook on the human condition. When I was a lad people would tell me “you are too melancholy, the world simply isn’t that bad.”

Now those people all are dead or have cancer. They nod their heads when I apply my experience in law practice to the overall futility of human progress. My clients like that I am able to utilize procedural and statutory parlor tricks to do grave ill to the average American—each and all of my client contacts claw their way up that greasy pole of corporate promotion.

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onehell (Oct 31, 2018 - 12:45 pm)

lol well the obvious hyperbole aside, there are several studies showing basically what you said. Research confirms that pessimism is negatively correlated with job performance in every industry and profession in existence except one. There is one and only one profession where the opposite is true, i.e. where pessimistic people tend to be more successful than optimistic ones, and that's lawyers.

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wutwutwut (Nov 1, 2018 - 12:17 am)

"There is only one profession where pessimistic people tend to be more successful and that's lawyers." (shortened/paraphrased)


Jeebus, but that's depressing.

Fer cryin' out loud, would you keep that crap to yourself, will ya? ! ?

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blakesq (Nov 1, 2018 - 11:14 am)

The best part for me is not exclusive to being an attorney, but being an attorney makes it easier. I love being my own boss!

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dilemma2018 (Nov 2, 2018 - 5:10 pm)

A friend/colleague of mine once said that his ideal of a perfect legal gig was:

--No billables

--6 figures

--9-5 and none/few weekends

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jmoney (Nov 2, 2018 - 5:44 pm)

Today I'll add: when the OG partner sees me bullsh*tting with the receptionist at 4pm on a Friday and asks, "you think we oughta go home?"

YES I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO HOME.

We then all pack our stuff and leave.

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