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Am I the only one fuming at the self righteousness of these needajob10/04/18
You are not alone. To-date 16 professors from my law school bcls10/04/18
I agree that his temperament is disqualifying. I'm sure the dingbat10/04/18
The man was smeared and falsely accused of gang rape. H patenttrollnj10/07/18
What would law professors know about judicial temperment? Wh massivemissive10/04/18
It seems to me this "temperament" is a red herring. It on wutwutwut10/04/18
Oh Lordy. “Kavanaugh’s temperament didn’t become an is therewillbeblood10/05/18
How many complaints have there been about his "lack of judic wutwutwut10/05/18
Yeah, let me just put that complaint in the comment box abou nycatt10/05/18
I've been in federal court many times; how about you? I'v wutwutwut10/05/18
Caveat - I work in NYC where there are screamers. Both atto nycatt10/05/18
Ah, I see. Interesting how things differ. Stereotype of th wutwutwut10/05/18
Whenever I do work outside of NYC, its like a different plan nycatt10/06/18
Well he didn't launch his crying, screaming jag until the he catwoman33310/06/18
Well he didn't launch his crying, screaming jag until the he catwoman33310/06/18
It's conspiratorial to assert that left wing groups and pret actionbronson10/05/18
More like, Kavanaugh's temperament didn't become an issue un patenttrollnj10/07/18
The guy is horrible. Truly an awful human being. I don’t r midlaw10/04/18
Please seek treatment for your mental illness. professionalloser10/05/18
Yeah, politics aside, law professors are in no position to c 6figuremistake10/05/18
Lol... Spare the fake outrage op... Kava is his name, Se triplesix10/05/18
Fake outrage, eh??? Maybe all you BRILLIANT lawyers should catwoman33310/06/18
"fair, impartial, courteous to all persons both inside and o wutwutwut10/06/18
Do such judges exist?? Hell, some of the judges I've de patenttrollnj10/07/18
Teachers have the benefit of making a living without dealing qdllc10/06/18
“He’s looking at all of us as “the enemy” while igno dupednontraditional10/06/18
The real lesson in the 2,400 law professors signing an open acerimmer10/07/18
Saw a few prof names from my law skool on that letter. Had t dupednontraditional10/10/18
I remember back during the Duke Lacrosse case, some 80 Duke patenttrollnj10/07/18
They don’t believe in the philosophy they espouse. It’s wearyattorney10/07/18

needajob (Oct 4, 2018 - 6:18 pm)

Am I the only one fuming at the self righteousness of these law professors coming out against Kavanaugh? Over a thousand of them signed a letter standing against the confirmation of Kavanaugh. The stated reason is Kavanaugh's lack of "Judicial Temperament", but the wisest among us know that this is underhanded retribution for Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape.

But where do these profs get off being so self righteous? They have literally been a part of a twenty year conspiracy to defraud the government and students of loan money in exchange for mostly worthless degrees that have been backed by phony employment data. This is financial rape. Law professors have left thousands of students suffering under the weight of debt and unemployment. But unlike Kavanaugh, none of the is alleged, it's factual and backed by mountains of evidence.

Law profs may think they are seeking justice for Christine Ford by banding together against a predator. But if they look at a mirror they'll see a real predator. So who will band together to seek justice on behalf of myself and 10s of thousands of other financial rape victims?

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bcls (Oct 4, 2018 - 7:17 pm)

You are not alone. To-date 16 professors from my law school have signed the letter. I am tempted to write to the dean to express my opposition. I wish there was some way we alumni could coordinate our voices.

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dingbat (Oct 4, 2018 - 8:19 pm)

I agree that his temperament is disqualifying. I'm sure the Heritage Foundation has other people on its shortlist that are equally conservative

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patenttrollnj (Oct 7, 2018 - 1:04 pm)

The man was smeared and falsely accused of gang rape.

How the hell would you expect him to act when confronting the corrupt senators who knowingly and willfully smeared him?

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massivemissive (Oct 4, 2018 - 8:50 pm)

What would law professors know about judicial temperment? Why not ask actual practicing lawyers who appear before judges?

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wutwutwut (Oct 4, 2018 - 9:13 pm)

It seems to me this "temperament" is a red herring.

It only came up after those opposed to the Kavanaugh nomination decided the sex assault angle wasn't strong enough to stop his nomination.

So let's unpack that "lacks judicial temperament" argument somewhat.

He's been on the federal bench for what, 12 years?

How many complaints about his "lack of judicial temperament" have there been since 2006?

One? Nope.

None. So far as has been reported.

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therewillbeblood (Oct 5, 2018 - 9:19 am)

Oh Lordy. “Kavanaugh’s temperament didn’t become an issue until after he went on a public deranged hysterical conspiracy-laden rant, COINCIDENCE?”

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wutwutwut (Oct 5, 2018 - 10:19 am)

How many complaints have there been about his "lack of judicial temperament" since 2006?

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nycatt (Oct 5, 2018 - 11:54 am)

Yeah, let me just put that complaint in the comment box about judicial temperament in federal court. LOL. 75% of all federal judge yells and scream all the time. Have you ever been in federal court? The senate is not a court room.

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wutwutwut (Oct 5, 2018 - 12:30 pm)

I've been in federal court many times; how about you?

I've not seen even one district court judge "yell and scream", let alone 75% of them. One (Judge Guilford in the CD Cal) got kind of testy with my opponent at one point, who himself was getting kind of shrill about denied MILs, but he didn't do any actual yelling and screaming.

I have heard some attorney complaints about district court judges doing that, but they've been pretty few and far between.

And I've never heard or read anyone complaining about a federal COA judge yelling and screaming in court. Nor have I heard any judge doing that. And while I haven't attended any COA oral arguments, I've always listened to a lot of them since they got all the COAs wired for sound and started providing the recordings.

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nycatt (Oct 5, 2018 - 1:12 pm)

Caveat - I work in NYC where there are screamers. Both attorneys and judges. I do more state court stuff, but I have taken about twelve matters through the end in the southern district. About half of them ended on summary judgment, about half settled before that, and I got to the trial stage on one before it settled. Most often I was second seating, but I went myself sometimes. This is not counting bankruptcy, where they never yell. I have been to motions, conferences, and trials. 75% may be an exaggeration, but definite 50% are yelling on screaming when they don't their way. Some judges, especially new ones, are never yelling. They are great. But, when it comes to forcing settlement or dealing with discovery stuff, then there is often yelling because the judges have some really important cases in the SDNY and don't like the business stuff that isn't like 100M so much. The experienced judges just are used to getting their way.
I worked at a relative large and well regarded firm for a few years, and even where work product was impeccable, they were yelling when they wanted to make their point often.

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wutwutwut (Oct 5, 2018 - 6:01 pm)

Ah, I see. Interesting how things differ. Stereotype of the "rude new yawker"? Haha.

I've never been in a district court within the 2nd Circuit (4-5-7-9 and 11th).

But (oops) as I wrote the above, I just remembered there were at least 2 judges in the NDIL who were pretty testy at times (Chicago also known for a certain level of rudeness, I guess), although still no actual screaming/yelling. I think both were close to if not older than 80 at the time, so hopefully they've taken senior status by now.

I don't spend much time[*] in state court, but the times I have the judges around here seem pretty collegial, although there's one I don't care much for. That one actually asked a juror if she could have her husband postpone his mother's funeral, who had died overnight, rather than wanting to release her.

[*] To be clear, I haven't spent enormous amounts of time in federal court, either. Maybe 12 cases and 15 judges (both of the Chicago NDIL cases and one in NDTX ended up transferred to other judges mid-stream).

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nycatt (Oct 6, 2018 - 12:30 am)

Whenever I do work outside of NYC, its like a different planet. A planet where everyone is not an a-hole.

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catwoman333 (Oct 6, 2018 - 12:56 am)

Well he didn't launch his crying, screaming jag until the hearing confirmation in 2018. DUH

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catwoman333 (Oct 6, 2018 - 12:57 am)

Well he didn't launch his crying, screaming jag until the hearing confirmation in 2018. DUH

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actionbronson (Oct 5, 2018 - 11:47 am)

It's conspiratorial to assert that left wing groups and pretty much every Democrat in the Senate had it out for Kavanaugh from the moment he was nominated? That they would oppose his confirmation with every fiber of their being, at pretty much any cost? No. That's not being conspiratorial or paranoid, that's accepting reality.

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patenttrollnj (Oct 7, 2018 - 1:06 pm)

More like, Kavanaugh's temperament didn't become an issue until AFTER it became obvious that the allegations were false.

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midlaw (Oct 4, 2018 - 11:36 pm)

The guy is horrible. Truly an awful human being. I don’t really care because he’ll vote the same as anyone else trump puts up, but stop pretending like this is anything other than “let’s pwn the libs by appointing a wannabe rapist to the Supreme Court.”

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professionalloser (Oct 5, 2018 - 9:02 am)

Please seek treatment for your mental illness.

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6figuremistake (Oct 5, 2018 - 8:39 am)

Yeah, politics aside, law professors are in no position to condemn anyone else. Aside from the most elite professors, their entire livelihoods are premised on lying to vulnerable 20-somethings and convincing them to destroy their lives by amassing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt.

How about an FBI investigation into that practice?

Oh and when it comes to temperament, just peruse some of law school apologist rants by Diamond, et. al.

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triplesix (Oct 5, 2018 - 9:29 am)

Lol... Spare the fake outrage op...

Kava is his name,
Sex is his game

And he will be ruling to spite liberals for next several decades, what else do you want from life?!

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catwoman333 (Oct 6, 2018 - 1:00 am)

Fake outrage, eh??? Maybe all you BRILLIANT lawyers should consult the Code of Judicial Conduct which REQUIRES judges to be fair, impartial, courteous to all persons both inside and outside the courtroom, and avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

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wutwutwut (Oct 6, 2018 - 6:07 am)

"fair, impartial, courteous to all persons both inside and outside the courtroom"

Um, sounds nice and aspirational and all that, but that's not what it says.

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patenttrollnj (Oct 7, 2018 - 1:06 pm)

Do such judges exist??

Hell, some of the judges I've dealt with don't even bother to comb their hair in the morning.

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qdllc (Oct 6, 2018 - 7:54 am)

Teachers have the benefit of making a living without dealing with reality.

I’m not surprised by this sanctimonious behavior. We had a professional responsibility professor who was a borderline Marxist. I could respect his strict adherence to “ethics,” but he got a big paycheck, university-provided home, state benefits, only taught two courses and ran the indigent legal aid clinic. He had a dream job with no real requirement to produce a product.

He’s looking at all of us as “the enemy” while ignoring the fact that if it’s easy to be 100% ethical/moral when you don’t have the wolves at your door.

Yes, I know attorneys who won’t compromise ethics, but they can detail how being ethical negatively affected their ability to make a living.

My best example (my boss) had it work out long term because his reputation got him promoted for consideration as an administrative law judge...ending his life of scrounging for paying clients.

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dupednontraditional (Oct 6, 2018 - 1:44 pm)

“He’s looking at all of us as “the enemy” while ignoring the fact that if it’s easy to be 100% ethical/moral when you don’t have the wolves at your door.“

The older I get, the more I realize this is the truth. And it’s true across several kinds of business, not just law. Makes me despair as to whether there is such thing as a just society. Only the comfortable (e.g. no-work law profs) can afford to comply with the social contract, and the fringe benefit is getting to look down on others less comfortable that you to boot.

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acerimmer (Oct 7, 2018 - 2:23 am)

The real lesson in the 2,400 law professors signing an open letter against Kavanaugh is how irrelevant legal academia actually is now. They write garbage law review articles, and mis-educate students, and get paychecks. These are not the salt-of-the-earth types who you can rely upon.

In the real world, the law profs are nobodies. They are nothing.

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dupednontraditional (Oct 10, 2018 - 11:25 am)

Saw a few prof names from my law skool on that letter. Had to giggle at the hubris, after having had classes with those people long ago. Like what they do or say even matters in the real world.

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patenttrollnj (Oct 7, 2018 - 1:22 pm)

I remember back during the Duke Lacrosse case, some 80 Duke professors signed a petition condemning the 4 students accused of rape. Ultimately, the students were exonerated, the DA that prosecuted them was disbarred AND the accuser is now serving time for second degree murder.

I think only ONE of these 80 professors ultimately issued an apology to the students. The rest went about their lives with not even the slightest bit of guilt or humiliation.

Sorry, but unless there is some type of "malpractice" or public rebuke for errors, using your position as a university professor (or whatever) to somehow give weight to an opinion should be (and generally is) disregarded.

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wearyattorney (Oct 7, 2018 - 5:13 pm)

They don’t believe in the philosophy they espouse. It’s just a con. They are predatory con artists. They know the government butters their bread with guaranteed federal tax payer money, and they fall into line accordingly.

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