Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

From Cop to Lawyer, thanks to JDU!

Hello all, Just some background: I found JDU a few years nycop11/01/18
Practice area? Advice on me trying to go Lawyer to Cop? T billcarson11/01/18
I'll be doing criminal defense. I'll also do personal injury nycop11/01/18
Congrats on passing the bar ! I know you will be successful. greenhorn11/01/18
Good luck with the divorces ! They will drive you up the wal greenhorn11/01/18
Yes, you did warn me! I'm going to be reading up on New York nycop11/01/18
I don't see how you will ever be successful if you require G wallypancake11/02/18
He Brought a knife to a banana barrel fight billcarson11/02/18
Na man, he did the smart thing and asked an actual practicin esquirewalletsmatter11/02/18
nighthawk gonna nighthawk. wutwutwut11/02/18
I didn’t seek anyone’s approval. I shadowed Greenhorn to nycop11/02/18
Greenhorn wrote: "nycop has a unique set of circumstances wallypancake11/02/18
Give it a rest, man. For someone frequently whinging abou wutwutwut11/02/18
How long were you a cop? I think those people who finish aca onehell11/02/18
Thanks wutwutwut and onehell! Law school did cost me very li nycop11/02/18
It sounds like you put in a lot of thought and effort and ha alphadog1511/02/18
Congrats! I also passed this cycle in VA. Have buddies pract jmoney11/02/18
I would have rather gotten it all out the way before the res nycop11/02/18
The “I allow” was a typo from typing on my phone. Of cou greenhorn11/02/18
You are probably one of a handful of people for which law sc wearyattorney11/04/18
Thanks, wearyattorney. I realize I am fortunate to have a ci nycop11/04/18

nycop (Nov 1, 2018 - 9:03 pm)

Hello all,

Just some background: I found JDU a few years back while researching law schools. I almost gave up on going to law school because of all the negativity, and as a final look into what the profession really entailed I met up with Greenhorn who gave me a lowdown on what private practice is really like. I followed up by shadowing Greenhorn to court and client meetings over the course of a few months and decided to go ahead with law school, with eyes wide open.

Fast forward to now: I graduated law school, passed the bar, and I am currently awaiting admission in NY and NJ!

Thanks, JDU--especially Greenhorn

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billcarson (Nov 1, 2018 - 9:18 pm)

Practice area?

Advice on me trying to go Lawyer to Cop? Too old for me?

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nycop (Nov 1, 2018 - 9:29 pm)

I'll be doing criminal defense. I'll also do personal injury, but I'll be referring those cases to a former professor. Someone is also going to show me how to do divorces, so I'll eventually get into that.

Are you in NYC? The max age is 36. If you're in the West Coast, Florida, and a few other jurisdictions, the age limit runs into the high-40s to no age limit.

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greenhorn (Nov 1, 2018 - 10:11 pm)

Congrats on passing the bar ! I know you will be successful.

Critical caveat to this story: LAW SCHOOL IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. IN FACT IT’S A BAD IDEA FOR 80% OF PROSPECTIVE LAW STUDENTS.

nycop has a unique set of circumstances that I allow for him being successful.

WARNING: MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT LIKE NYCOP AND SHOULD NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

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greenhorn (Nov 1, 2018 - 10:13 pm)

Good luck with the divorces ! They will drive you up the wall. I’ll happlily take criminal defense matter over mat cases any day of the week ! We’ve discussed this. You have been warned !

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nycop (Nov 1, 2018 - 10:59 pm)

Yes, you did warn me! I'm going to be reading up on New York Laws, procedures, and collecting templates while waiting to be admitted. I'm guessing it won't be until 2019.

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wallypancake (Nov 2, 2018 - 8:52 am)

I don't see how you will ever be successful if you require Greenhorn's approval to go to law school. If you cannot make your own adult decisions then it will be extremely difficult to survive in the adult legal world.

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billcarson (Nov 2, 2018 - 8:53 am)

He Brought a knife to a banana barrel fight

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esquirewalletsmatter (Nov 2, 2018 - 10:17 am)

Na man, he did the smart thing and asked an actual practicing attorney that has knowledge of the current plight of the profession for his thoughts. He then shadowed and made the decision for himself in light of unique circumstances. Plus given his past career, he has unique insight into the bullshyt cops routinely pull which will aid tremendously in that portion of the practice. Good job all around. Congrats!

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wutwutwut (Nov 2, 2018 - 11:43 am)

nighthawk gonna nighthawk.

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nycop (Nov 2, 2018 - 9:15 am)

I didn’t seek anyone’s approval. I shadowed Greenhorn to see what the practice of law is like (I know it’s not the same as actually practicing, but it’s better than going in blind) I actually recommend applicants do the same before investing 3 years and tens of thousands of dollars in tuition only to realize they don’t like practicing law.
A good chunk of what Greenhorn showed me was the business side of the profession: marketing, overhead, billing, etc.

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wallypancake (Nov 2, 2018 - 9:35 am)

Greenhorn wrote:

"nycop has a unique set of circumstances that I allow for him being successful."

Sounds like a very controlling person who he allows to go to law school. Seems like you went to law school only because you received Greenhorn's blessing. Good luck dealing with family law clients together with Greenhorn's guidance.

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wutwutwut (Nov 2, 2018 - 11:47 am)

Give it a rest, man.

For someone frequently whinging about other people's grammar (if I'm correct in thinking you sometimes post as nighthawk), you might want to look up other usages of the word "allow" and the phrase "I allow for".

Hint: given context, it's more like "I admit" or "allow for the possibility" or "I'll admit that's why", and less like "I permit".

Not to mention that it's kind of dumb to insist that nycop must own what greenhorn wrote.


To nycop: congratulations.

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onehell (Nov 2, 2018 - 12:05 pm)

How long were you a cop? I think those people who finish academy right at 21 are "retired" by their early 40s and so they have a whole second career, plus a pension that's enough to live on if you want to try something entrepreneurial. If that's your situation then a decision like this could make total sense. Just go to whatever law school is cheapest as possible since it won't matter where you go. Did you do CUNY perhaps?

If you had a lot of time on the force you probably know a lot of nuts and bolts that aren't taught in LS and which other fresh grads would need years working for someone else to pick up.

Between that and all those cop connections, it would seem that this indeed is a very unique set of circumstances that could make going to LS (and going solo immediately afterwards) a good idea. So congrats on passing the bar, sounds like you will be a rare exception to the general rule of "don't go unless it's HYSCCN."

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nycop (Nov 2, 2018 - 2:38 pm)

Thanks wutwutwut and onehell! Law school did cost me very little (under 40k for everything). It even helped boost my pension.
I ended up doing 23 years in the police department (retired at 45). I went to LS full-time while working 3 days a week (and taking 2 days a week off from my built-up time, on top of my regular 2 days off). I transferred to evenings and so I was able to get an extra 10% in night diff pay so in essence, I was able to boost my pay and pension by going to law school.
I don’t want to give out too many details, but I also speak a 2nd language and have deep contacts in one particular community where I intend to practice.

I’ll keep you all updated!

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alphadog15 (Nov 2, 2018 - 2:45 pm)

It sounds like you put in a lot of thought and effort and have a solid plan and foundation for a second career as an attorney. Best of luck to you, and welcome to the profession.

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jmoney (Nov 2, 2018 - 5:36 pm)

Congrats! I also passed this cycle in VA. Have buddies practicing in NYC. At first it's nice that C&F comes after passage, but now you still gotta wait and it sucks. In VA we're all officially attorneys as of oct 19.

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nycop (Nov 2, 2018 - 5:47 pm)

I would have rather gotten it all out the way before the results came out.
I’m also in the process of getting my NJ license. That seems to be moving along faster, so I should be barred in NJ before NY

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greenhorn (Nov 2, 2018 - 9:43 pm)

The “I allow” was a typo from typing on my phone. Of course I can’t “allow” or “not allow” people to go to law school. Goodness.... if i had that power I’d shut down 90% of law schools !

Autocorrect Typo. I think I meant “believe will allow”.....

And as far as family law....I stay well clear of that crap.

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wearyattorney (Nov 4, 2018 - 3:29 am)

You are probably one of a handful of people for which law school was a good pursuit. You made a good decision in going after retiring from law enforcement, a really good decision. Congrats.

I hope you don’t try and convince anyone to forego a career in law enforcement in favor of pursuing law because that would bring down some mighty bad Karma on you.

Law is a career for people in already stable financial situations, whether it’s by family help or by having anothe revenue stream, eg pension from another career. In the latter case, when the first career relates to law, then it’s a really good idea (as in your case). Kudos, I hope you guide others in the same direction.

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nycop (Nov 4, 2018 - 10:17 am)

Thanks, wearyattorney. I realize I am fortunate to have a civil service pension, and yes, I encourage others to do the same—get a civil service job, have them pay for your schooling, etc. Even if you’re older, many jurisdictions don’t have age limits like we do in the east coast. Plus, with a JD, you’ll likely advance up the ranks and will have an opportunity to work in an office rather than on patrol, if you want.

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