Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Writing.....the worst part of the practice of law

Ever wonder when going to get hired all they ask is about yo demwave12/11/18
When you’re a minor cog in a wheel, it’s the one piece t dingbat12/11/18
Law is a customer service profession. Communication is a hug jmoney12/11/18
Writing is one of the few parts of the legal profession that therewillbeblood12/11/18
Yeah....drafting opposition papers to summary judgment motio demwave12/11/18
Ha! True in so many cases. A decent summary judgment battl jeffm12/11/18
90 % of time sj motions should never be made.....but hey it demwave12/11/18
Disagree. Maybe not for the purpose of dismissing all the c actionbronson12/11/18
Me, too. Plaintiffs have habits of splintering the claims i jeffm12/11/18
Agreed. I was referring to the main claim(s). 1 or 2. If pla demwave12/11/18
You can do that in 6 hours! Damn, my SJs or oppositions tak jd4hire12/12/18
I'm about to win a case on SJ that on both sides have totale jmoney12/11/18
Just curious, but how did you learn your opponent's case-to- wutwutwut12/12/18
Are your papers gold plated? I just can't fathom 1.5 on SJ. jd4hire12/12/18
Not even a damages case. Learned their expenditure becau jmoney12/13/18
As a young associate, the only thing I remember writing was patenttrollnj12/11/18
It depends. If you are doing family/PI/immigration/LT etc th wallypancake12/12/18
Research and writing is the best part of the job along with jorgedeclaro12/12/18
Quantatively, legal writing is a small part of the job of la demwave12/12/18
I disagree. I am a SJ/Appellate hound. I can write very, v jeffm12/12/18
Your humility is overwhelming. therewillbeblood12/13/18
Truth is a defense. jeffm12/13/18
don't forget attorneys that work at elite law firms. dingbat12/15/18
jorge, you are a litigator, I assume. What types of cases d jeffm12/12/18
Quite a wide variety. Lots of business related stuff like Tr jorgedeclaro12/13/18
Ron Swanson would be proud. jd4hire12/13/18
The worst part of the practice of law is dealing with diffic nyclawyer12/13/18
Credited response. jmoney12/15/18

demwave (Dec 11, 2018 - 6:56 pm)

Ever wonder when going to get hired all they ask is about your writing? And all parts ancillary to that?
The only reason associates get hired is to write for the partners. Do you negotiate well? Did you take a crap case and turn it into some cash? Did your bedside manner keep a client onboard? Nope. Let me see a writing sample!

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dingbat (Dec 11, 2018 - 7:28 pm)

When you’re a minor cog in a wheel, it’s the one piece that can clearly be attributed to you. Anything else, it’s really hard to verify how much impact you personally had.

If you’re being lateraled as a partner, nobody cares about your writing

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jmoney (Dec 11, 2018 - 8:30 pm)

Law is a customer service profession. Communication is a huge part of that. Writing is more than a majority of a lawyer's communications.

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therewillbeblood (Dec 11, 2018 - 8:44 pm)

Writing is one of the few parts of the legal profession that I like.

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demwave (Dec 11, 2018 - 9:45 pm)

Yeah....drafting opposition papers to summary judgment motions... gather 126 exhibits to support same......then be b*tched at for taking more than 6 hrs to do that.....the spice of life! What a joke!

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jeffm (Dec 11, 2018 - 10:14 pm)

Ha! True in so many cases. A decent summary judgment battle usually ought to run at least $5k per side in attorney's fees in a case that's not cookie-cutter and where the stakes warrant a serious effort.

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demwave (Dec 11, 2018 - 10:23 pm)

90 % of time sj motions should never be made.....but hey it is billable hours.....

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actionbronson (Dec 11, 2018 - 10:43 pm)

Disagree. Maybe not for the purpose of dismissing all the claims in the case, but as a defense attorney it's usually unwise if you don't at least try to get some of the causes of action kicked on SJ. I've never had the entirety of an SJ motion denied, so I've always considered it worth it.

Writing is probably one of the more enjoyable parts of being a man of the law, IMO.

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jeffm (Dec 11, 2018 - 10:45 pm)

Me, too. Plaintiffs have habits of splintering the claims into many types of actions which do not apply. They will plead negligence and malice alternatively. Things like that. You want to simplify the jury charge and not have to try the whole case under every theory.

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demwave (Dec 11, 2018 - 11:02 pm)

Agreed. I was referring to the main claim(s). 1 or 2. If plaintiffs attys didnt file 16 claims, 14 of which were unwarranted.

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jd4hire (Dec 12, 2018 - 8:54 am)

You can do that in 6 hours! Damn, my SJs or oppositions take 10-20, including compiling exhibits and printing case law (we have to provide highlighted case law with bench copy in my jx).

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jmoney (Dec 11, 2018 - 11:09 pm)

I'm about to win a case on SJ that on both sides have totaled $1.5 mil. We filed 8 pretrial briefs. Tell me again about how writing is overrated.

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wutwutwut (Dec 12, 2018 - 8:53 am)

Just curious, but how did you learn your opponent's case-to-date spend?

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jd4hire (Dec 12, 2018 - 1:51 pm)

Are your papers gold plated? I just can't fathom 1.5 on SJ. How much is the entire case worth?

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jmoney (Dec 13, 2018 - 6:44 pm)

Not even a damages case.

Learned their expenditure because of settlement negotiations involving attorneys fees.

Expenditures to date - not just sum j.

Btw case is done. Go home Ps.

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patenttrollnj (Dec 11, 2018 - 11:25 pm)

As a young associate, the only thing I remember writing was 2 sentence memos that nobody ever read.

Anyone have this same experience??

NO WAY could anyone submit this type of stuff as a "writing sample."

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wallypancake (Dec 12, 2018 - 8:52 am)

It depends. If you are doing family/PI/immigration/LT etc then people want to know that you can take a garbage case and turn it around. If you are doing corporate work, then the battlefield is less in the courtroom and more with the pen. Writing is very important. Do you have the skills to make a persuasive argument on paper? Can you promote the firm with informative and insightful articles in internal and external publications? Will you be able to inform clients about complex legislation when clients have little or no knowledge of the subject?

If you interviewed at a family law firm and they only cared about the writing sample then that is strange!

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 12, 2018 - 12:22 pm)

Research and writing is the best part of the job along with getting to argue what you wrote. Discovery is awful. Clients are awful. Trial means four hours of sleep a night and makes me sick to my stomach for the first four days.

Give me an SJ motion or Appellant’s brief any day of the week.

Also, the reason people want to see your writing sample is because lawyers on the whole are not good writers. And the only way to really evaluate a lawyer’s capabilities is to see them practice in action. Since most employers can’t do that, writing sample is the closest proxy.

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demwave (Dec 12, 2018 - 12:55 pm)

Quantatively, legal writing is a small part of the job of lawyering. Attorneys that write real well are judges law clerks who never deal with clients.

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jeffm (Dec 12, 2018 - 1:48 pm)

I disagree. I am a SJ/Appellate hound. I can write very, very well, even though it will take me quite some time to get it all down exactly as I want it. Once it's down solid, it is a very good product. I also deal with clients very well.

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therewillbeblood (Dec 13, 2018 - 3:31 pm)

Your humility is overwhelming.

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jeffm (Dec 13, 2018 - 6:16 pm)

Truth is a defense.

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dingbat (Dec 15, 2018 - 8:18 pm)

don't forget attorneys that work at elite law firms.

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jeffm (Dec 12, 2018 - 1:48 pm)

jorge, you are a litigator, I assume. What types of cases do you litigate?

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 13, 2018 - 3:18 pm)

Quite a wide variety. Lots of business related stuff like Trade Secrets, Wage/Employment Defense, breach of contract. The occasional wrongful death or plaintiff’s side discrimination claim. Some people in our office do state and federal criminal defense and I assist in motion practice or occasionally appear so I get to stay up to date on crim pro. It also helps nurture my hate of the government and the Feds.

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jd4hire (Dec 13, 2018 - 4:31 pm)

Ron Swanson would be proud.

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nyclawyer (Dec 13, 2018 - 11:03 pm)

The worst part of the practice of law is dealing with difficult clients. Hands down, the worst.

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jmoney (Dec 15, 2018 - 5:50 pm)

Credited response.

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