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C and F Question

Does anyone know how the bar checks your disciplinary record idkman12/16/18
I don't know, but if you are considering refusing to disclos jeffm12/16/18
What Jeff said. seriously, 99/100 whatever you're trying dingbat12/16/18
Note: that's your basic statement. You're also going to ha dingbat12/16/18
If there is no police report, I wouldn't worry about it. patenttrollnj12/17/18
this is bad advice dingbat12/19/18
I read "don't worry" as "don't sweat it", not as "don't disc wutwutwut12/20/18
fair point. still bad advice. Example: if someone has go dingbat12/20/18
I see what you mean. Betts is a great story, btw. Thanks wutwutwut12/20/18
I agree with the advice provided above - better to err on th unemployable12/17/18
I was suspended for a year in college for an offense that in loser1212/26/18
idkman (Dec 16, 2018 - 1:55 pm)

Does anyone know how the bar checks your disciplinary record/history in undergrad? My college gives out Dean’s Certifications. Would that be the only way the bar could check on your record (excluding obvious notations about suspensions/expulsions on your college transcript)?

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jeffm (Dec 16, 2018 - 4:57 pm)

I don't know, but if you are considering refusing to disclose something which is asked by the bar, I wouldn't do that.

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dingbat (Dec 16, 2018 - 10:35 pm)

What Jeff said.

seriously, 99/100 whatever you're trying to hide is less bad than taht you're trying to hide it.
Candor is the most important part of C&F. If you're not honest with them and they find out, you will not get admitted. If you did something stupid in college, just admit it, own up to it, and say you've learned from it. For the vast majority of people, C&F is only a problem if they make it a problem. Unless you have a track record of lying and stealing, an apology is usually enough.

"Yes, I did ____ a few years ago. It shouldn't have happened, but I was young and dumb. I accepted responsibility for it, learned from my mistake, and it will never happen again"

Problem solved.

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dingbat (Dec 16, 2018 - 10:37 pm)

Note: that's your basic statement. You're also going to have to give a longer explanation, and they will probably contact some of the other parties involved. As long as everyone's version of the events matches, you'll be ok

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patenttrollnj (Dec 17, 2018 - 8:36 am)

If there is no police report, I wouldn't worry about it.

Seriously, what can it possibly be? You had your music on a bit too loudly in the dorm, and you got written-up? Relax!

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dingbat (Dec 19, 2018 - 8:38 pm)

this is bad advice

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wutwutwut (Dec 20, 2018 - 7:20 am)

I read "don't worry" as "don't sweat it", not as "don't disclose it". Although he should have been clearer.

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dingbat (Dec 20, 2018 - 10:18 am)

fair point. still bad advice.

Example: if someone has gotten multiple academic violations for cheating, C&F might be a disaster, even though there's no police report.
flip-side: Reginald Dwayne Betts - 8 years in prison, admitted in Connecticut.

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wutwutwut (Dec 20, 2018 - 11:12 am)

I see what you mean.

Betts is a great story, btw. Thanks for reminding us of him.

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unemployable (Dec 17, 2018 - 5:37 pm)

I agree with the advice provided above - better to err on the side of disclosure.

You might also want to consider contacting your college and requesting a copy of your disciplinary record. If they provide something to you, you should assume the bar will probably receive it as well. Similarly, if your college doesn’t have a disciplinary record on file for you, this might put your mind at ease a bit.

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loser12 (Dec 26, 2018 - 6:40 pm)

I was suspended for a year in college for an offense that involved dishonesty (caught lying in disciplinary proceedings). Was admitted without issue. It’s fact and character specific. It did hurt with admissions though except at schools I visited in person. I never regretted disclosing for one iota. I don’t think you could psychologically handle the stress of not knowing if you’ll be caught for 3 plus years. Even with full disclosure, it’s incredibly stressful - easily more draining than LS or the bar exam.

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