Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Lawyers' Happiness Index

I a wondering whether there's a correlation between self-emp jeffm12/16/18
1. 1 2. No youngbuck12/16/18
1. 5 2. Nope I'm happy enough but want to go solo. isthisit12/16/18
1. 3.5 2. No kappel12/16/18
7 yes, solo cranky12/16/18
6.5 No. jd4hire12/17/18
9 No a8464812/17/18
7 No. Just a note that I ran my own practice for years and inhousetech12/17/18
Maybe an 8. Employed by govt, self employed side income. 2breedbares12/17/18
9 No jmoney12/17/18
I was pretty dang happy as a solo as long as my clients were fettywap12/17/18
1. 8 2. No (in-house) barelylegal12/17/18
1. 4 2. No (gov't) seemedwiseatthetime12/17/18
I think solos that are making it are going to be almost univ superttthero12/17/18
1. Some times I'm 3-4 (esp. months when I get paid). Other catwoman33312/18/18
You shouldn't be in a customer service profession. jmoney12/18/18
You must be [relatively] new to law. EVERY profession has b catwoman33312/19/18
"I honestly confess that I am actively seeking employment al jmoney12/19/18
Law is worse. Sure, people complaining about their problems superttthero12/19/18
Doctors aren't what I was thinking of by customer service pr jmoney12/20/18
1. 2 2. No (Doc review) I could deal with the crappy bittersweet12/18/18
1. 9 2. Yes Successful practice and a good income. Downs corneroffice12/19/18
True. You have to keep growing or risk getting stale. Growth superttthero12/19/18
" *I imagine for some... " Yeah, take a guy who has a n wutwutwut12/19/18
Like a 7 No lilgub12/19/18
1. 8 2. Yes, patent/trademark When i worked at firms, blakesq12/20/18

jeffm (Dec 16, 2018 - 3:02 pm)

I a wondering whether there's a correlation between self-employment and happiness in the practice of law. 2 questions:

1. On a scale of 1-10, how happy are you with being a lawyer?
2. Are you self-employed?

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youngbuck (Dec 16, 2018 - 6:30 pm)

1. 1
2. No

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isthisit (Dec 16, 2018 - 8:48 pm)

1. 5
2. Nope

I'm happy enough but want to go solo.

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kappel (Dec 16, 2018 - 9:07 pm)

1. 3.5
2. No

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cranky (Dec 16, 2018 - 9:08 pm)

7
yes, solo

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jd4hire (Dec 17, 2018 - 10:36 am)

6.5
No.

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a84648 (Dec 17, 2018 - 12:10 pm)

9
No

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inhousetech (Dec 17, 2018 - 12:47 pm)

7
No.
Just a note that I ran my own practice for years and I was probably at a 5, so self-employment is not a guarantee of happiness.

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2breedbares (Dec 17, 2018 - 2:35 pm)

Maybe an 8. Employed by govt, self employed side income.

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jmoney (Dec 17, 2018 - 7:20 pm)

9
No

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fettywap (Dec 17, 2018 - 7:41 pm)

I was pretty dang happy as a solo as long as my clients were paying.
I'm very unhappy in my government job, but my mean supervisor told me she quit today, so maybe it will get better.

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barelylegal (Dec 17, 2018 - 9:27 pm)

1. 8
2. No (in-house)

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seemedwiseatthetime (Dec 17, 2018 - 9:39 pm)

1. 4
2. No (gov't)

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superttthero (Dec 17, 2018 - 11:41 pm)

I think solos that are making it are going to be almost universally happier than most W-2ers.

I used to (and still sometime) toy with the idea of going solo, but what stops me is that I think I could not handle the uncertainty of getting clients or that client expectations fall only on me. These are things I wish I could overcome, but it's me.

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catwoman333 (Dec 18, 2018 - 12:37 am)

1. Some times I'm 3-4 (esp. months when I get paid). Other times, I'm 1 or less (esp. when dealing with obnoxious, demanding, sometimes downright scary clients).

2. I work solo. But after slogging away at this grind for a decade, I honestly confess that I am actively seeking employment alternatives to law because so much of it involves constant interaction with so many stressed, nutty people "in crisis" (real or imagined) who vent about ALL their problems, frustrations.

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jmoney (Dec 18, 2018 - 11:36 pm)

You shouldn't be in a customer service profession.

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catwoman333 (Dec 19, 2018 - 12:16 pm)

You must be [relatively] new to law. EVERY profession has burnout/stress, esp. high in those involving daily contact with the public (doctors, lawyers, social/case workers).

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jmoney (Dec 19, 2018 - 8:53 pm)

"I honestly confess that I am actively seeking employment alternatives to law because so much of it involves constant interaction with so many stressed, nutty people "in crisis" (real or imagined) who vent about ALL their problems, frustrations."

In what customer service profession will you not deal with "constant interaction with so many stressed, nutty people "in crisis" (real or imagined) who vent about ALL their problems, frustrations"???

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superttthero (Dec 19, 2018 - 9:17 pm)

Law is worse. Sure, people complaining about their problems will happen everywhere, but in law they really expect you to fix all their problems, and to do so on contingency.

Go to a surgeon for a complicate surgery... 9/10 if the person dies, then doc still gets a "thanks" and his money. In law people will actually get miracle results and still say the lawyer didnt do enough.

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jmoney (Dec 20, 2018 - 11:44 pm)

Doctors aren't what I was thinking of by customer service professions.

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bittersweet (Dec 18, 2018 - 3:00 pm)

1. 2

2. No (Doc review)

I could deal with the crappy job a lot better if it a) paid better, and b) were more reliable.

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corneroffice (Dec 19, 2018 - 11:56 am)

1. 9
2. Yes

Successful practice and a good income. Downside, there is a lot of demands on my time, the cases get bigger, the money better, but it can wear you down.

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superttthero (Dec 19, 2018 - 12:02 pm)

True. You have to keep growing or risk getting stale. Growth = more stress (and more money).

My doctor friends tell me they could go down to part-time and still make 6 figures. This doesn't exist in the law world*.

*I imagine for some with vast knowledge in a certain area they may be able to do some type of consulting, but that's rare. It seems almost every doc could go down to 3 days a week and still bank just over $100k/year.

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wutwutwut (Dec 19, 2018 - 12:37 pm)

" *I imagine for some... "


Yeah, take a guy who has a name for complex antitrust or M&A or heck, even patent law, who has clients who trust his work, could probably semi-retire at 10-12 hpw at $350 an hour and gross 180-200K or so.


I only have a couple of doc friends and they crank out 80hpw with no end in sight. But I read a lot of financial blogs and lots of them are written by docs* who mention their plan to cut back to half time while in their late 40s or early 50s.

* Usually surgeons but a couple by radiologists/cardios, too. The White Coat Investor is probably the most famous of them, but there are a lot of others by docs.

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lilgub (Dec 19, 2018 - 3:34 pm)

Like a 7
No

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blakesq (Dec 20, 2018 - 7:35 am)

1. 8
2. Yes, patent/trademark

When i worked at firms, my scale would be frim 3 to 5.

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