Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Law School accolades?

I spoke recently with a professional in a different industry wallypancake12/24/18
Sir, Because your law school is a law school and has an e wearyattorney12/24/18
You mean to say that scummers lied to keep losers complacent triplesix12/24/18
Law School is the opiate of the masses. Karl Marx toooldtocare12/24/18
The only accolades any law school deserves (save Harvard and patenttrollnj12/24/18
Those who cannot do, teach. Or become career advisors. What cranky12/24/18
"Those who cannot do, teach" Not so sure about that one patenttrollnj12/25/18
Just to add, adjunct professors are often also full time pro junkwired02/04/19
Aka people who earn their keep on campus for substandard pay triplesix02/04/19
Law schools suck for selling that crap to kids out of colleg confused1l9301/31/19
While false hope is a given because federal student loan dol dupednontraditional02/04/19
If your school doesn't have most of its students acquiring superttthero02/04/19
wallypancake (Dec 24, 2018 - 10:58 am)

I spoke recently with a professional in a different industry who expressed frustration about his job prospects. His alma mater's career services advised him and others in their program to seek positions in smaller places to gain proper experience. After 4 to 5 years in the smaller place, the career services office would help them secure a position with a bigger, better paying place. 12 years later, he is still in the smaller place getting paid a small-time salary. He is upset that the career services office was not helpful in setting him up with a better paying gig.

Many comments on this board expressed disenchantment with the legal world by focusing on law school employment numbers, which are a sham. Yet, during law school, I did not hear anyone tell me to do doc review and then in 6 months get a biglaw/big fed/in-house corporate job. I heard advice, but as useless as the career services office was, they never told me that a job will just come my way. Does my law school deserve accolades for not being misleading once I was actually enrolled and speaking with them?

Reply
wearyattorney (Dec 24, 2018 - 12:24 pm)

Sir,

Because your law school is a law school and has an enrollment, your law school does not deserve accolades.

Reply
triplesix (Dec 24, 2018 - 2:37 pm)

You mean to say that scummers lied to keep losers complacent with promises of better things down the road to keep them inline and quite?

Also I dont see how this is an accolade for the federal welfare program for lawl school Mavericks

Reply
toooldtocare (Dec 24, 2018 - 5:09 pm)

Law School is the opiate of the masses.
Karl Marx

Reply
patenttrollnj (Dec 24, 2018 - 7:35 pm)

The only accolades any law school deserves (save Harvard and few others) is an accolade for successfully duping students to enroll therein.

Seriously though, the career advice of starting off at a small place and then moving into something bigger was the norm back in the days pre-2001. That type of stuff did happen back then. Today, we just have total career saturation and automation. It's a whole other paradigm.

What this other professional is experiencing is very normal, and analogous to what we in law have experienced.

Reply
cranky (Dec 24, 2018 - 9:32 pm)

Those who cannot do, teach. Or become career advisors. What is typical is a career advisor trying to give false hope to people who haven't realized how saturated and hopeless their profession has become.

Reply
patenttrollnj (Dec 25, 2018 - 7:28 pm)

"Those who cannot do, teach"

Not so sure about that one .... but the opposite is often very true (i.e., those who teach, can't actually do).

It's an outright bloodbath to get an academic position, but once you get it you tend to become very theoretical. Too theoretical!

Career advising is often a total scam. So, yeah, they can do .... they can scam! And they often scam quite well.

Reply
junkwired (Feb 4, 2019 - 10:40 am)

Just to add, adjunct professors are often also full time professionals.

Reply
triplesix (Feb 4, 2019 - 4:13 pm)

Aka people who earn their keep on campus for substandard pay... While fat cat law profs are living the highlife as prized pigs on welfare provided by the federal government.

Reply
confused1l93 (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:36 pm)

Law schools suck for selling that crap to kids out of college. I wouldn't have a problem with them if they didn't receive so much money from the government whether it be student loan dollars and other means.

Reply
dupednontraditional (Feb 4, 2019 - 6:41 am)

While false hope is a given because federal student loan dollars, it’s always struck me how the advice given is always seems to be outdated and outmoded. It’s like the advice either worked once 30 years ago and/or no one has the pulse of the actual legal market at any given time. Odd, since they are, you know, “career services,” and ought to know what is going on besides giving people phamplets on how to find a job and 20 year old leads that have not been updated.

However, that doesn’t mean the advice had to be bad per se. The conclusion seems to be that career prospects were “always” bad (meaning the amount of lawyers needed was much less than number of graduates), but you can’t actually tell anyone that because the doors would close outside of roughly the top 25-50. Therefore, make shyt up.

Reply
superttthero (Feb 4, 2019 - 10:14 am)

If your school doesn't have most of its students acquiring JD-required jobs that can allow them to pay back their loans and have somewhat of a shot at the American dream, then they deserve no accolades. Whether their career services offices told people to do doc review or not seems like a pretty insignificant distinction between schools once that primary goal of JD-required employment is unfulfilled.

I don't understand what you are trying to spin here.

This sounds like someone saying, "at least the mugger left my ID after he took the cash and credit cards and whipped me with a baton." Umm.. ok... "accolade" them all you want there, buddy.

Reply
Post a message in this thread