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Career Services at The Law School

I need help with a resume. Can I call career services at my jdslug12/30/18
They will likely give you the same care and dedication that therewillbeblood12/30/18
This is actually correct even when serious. My guess: If superttthero12/30/18
Yep; from what I remember about my career services office th therewillbeblood12/30/18
Well, at least I wasn’t the only one - not that I would wi dupednontraditional01/16/19
The woefully mis-named career services office at my law scho toooldtocare12/30/18
I attended two different law schools and both career service ibrslave12/30/18
How worthless, you ask. Like ibr, when I went to career ser toooldtocare12/30/18
That’s a great story. e36m312/30/18
Sounds like two men who were well on their way to enjoying t 6figuremistake12/30/18
Quick question--what year was it you applied to JAG and what newjag1701/11/19
I applied sometime during the Middle Pleistocene Epoch, and toooldtocare01/11/19
Anyone considering law school should visit the career servic madathofstra12/30/18
You'll probably have better luck with your undergrad than yo thirdtierlaw12/30/18
They also put out fake employment numbers! triplesix12/30/18
Most career services offices only help the top ranked grads somefed12/30/18
If you don’t have a top 10% GPA or biglaw experience, they tedandlisa12301/11/19
Wow-just took a look on Amazon-there's a whole cottage indus toooldtocare01/11/19
Ah, I had forgotten about “Guerrilla Tactics for Getting t dupednontraditional01/16/19
Interesting timing on this post--I was at my law school yest newjag1701/18/19
I was struggling a couple years after law school. I reached mnlaw01/19/19

jdslug (Dec 30, 2018 - 9:28 am)

I need help with a resume. Can I call career services at my law school even though I’ve been out for a while?

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therewillbeblood (Dec 30, 2018 - 10:08 am)

They will likely give you the same care and dedication that they would give a current student. So probably not worth it.

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superttthero (Dec 30, 2018 - 10:19 am)

This is actually correct even when serious. My guess:

If you have great LS credentials and a solid work history (BIGLAW or prestigious government work) they'll be glad to help (but then you wouldn't need it, would you?).

If you your work history is the equivalent of someone graduating in the bottom half with no LR/moot court.... then they'll tell you to network.

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therewillbeblood (Dec 30, 2018 - 10:33 am)

Yep; from what I remember about my career services office they'd go out of their way to help you if you didn't need help. They literally were trying to get another offer for a friend of mine who already had a firm offer from Latham & Watkins which is insane.

If you did need their help, they'd typically shove how-to-find-a-job brochures into your hands, then just orally recite the information to you.

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dupednontraditional (Jan 16, 2019 - 1:40 pm)

Well, at least I wasn’t the only one - not that I would wish the negative experience on anybody...

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toooldtocare (Dec 30, 2018 - 10:33 am)

The woefully mis-named career services office at my law school was worse than worthless when I was a student, but the school has fallen on such hard times that I get mailings offering to help even grads out several years like myself.
So yes contact them, if only to annoy them.

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ibrslave (Dec 30, 2018 - 11:05 am)

I attended two different law schools and both career services offices were worse than useless. They actually gave false hope every step of the way, until you actually showed up asking for help. The first questions were class rank and work history. If you didn’t have something to boast about in these categories you were treated like a lepper and quickly diverted to some website or alumni contact list. By the way, after contacting about a dozen alumni with said contact list I learned that only half the contacts were current and the other half had no info on job leads. I even heard of one of these offices referring unemployed students to counseling... Worse than useless.

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toooldtocare (Dec 30, 2018 - 11:27 am)

How worthless, you ask. Like ibr, when I went to career services, I was asked only two questions: GPA/class rank, and are you on law review(no, I wasn't). At that point, literally, discussion stopped and I was walked out of the (satirically named) adviser's office and directed to a shelf of binders. End of actual assistance.
Ok, not completely true; in one of the binders(ok, this was several years ago) was a list of alums who had volunteered to be contacts in the community-but it was emphasized for advice only-don't call these people and ask for jobs.
So I called one guy, told him I was scrambling and was considering everything, from JAG to PD office to anything. Told him I had gotten either rejections from my dozens of applications or no response at all. Only nibble was a bland response from JAG, so I had submitted to Army/Navy/AF and was awaiting response. Long pause on his part-he then asked me what the JAG application process was, so that he could consider applying. Last time I used career services for anything.

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e36m3 (Dec 30, 2018 - 1:19 pm)

That’s a great story.

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6figuremistake (Dec 30, 2018 - 2:00 pm)

Sounds like two men who were well on their way to enjoying that million dollar law school premium.

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newjag17 (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:21 pm)

Quick question--what year was it you applied to JAG and what, if anything, happened on that front?

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toooldtocare (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:44 pm)

I applied sometime during the Middle Pleistocene Epoch, and they accepted me. I joined, served four years, and was glad I did. But I would note that my school's comically-designated career services office was not only no help in this regard, but negative help. It was staffed with very anti-military staff who provided no information about JAG and declined to assist me in any way.

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madathofstra (Dec 30, 2018 - 11:42 am)

Anyone considering law school should visit the career services office of the school they are interested in attending and pose as a middling, no journal or law review 3L and see for themselves.

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thirdtierlaw (Dec 30, 2018 - 12:24 pm)

You'll probably have better luck with your undergrad than your law school.

I think there was/is a poster on here who met with their undergraduate career service office and they ended up getting him a job.

Career service departments at law schools have 1 and only 1 purpose, get as many people as they can 6 months of legal work after graduation. After that they do not care, especially if it's not a top law school who is expecting big endowments from alumni.

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triplesix (Dec 30, 2018 - 12:55 pm)

They also put out fake employment numbers!

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somefed (Dec 30, 2018 - 1:51 pm)

Most career services offices only help the top ranked grads find jobs. A lot of their work relates to dressing up employment statistics to make the law school look better.

For the most part, career services staffers are out of touch with the job market since most of them have not had a legal job in years. You are better off asking a working attorney to review your resume.

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tedandlisa123 (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:29 pm)

If you don’t have a top 10% GPA or biglaw experience, they will hand you a networking brochure. They used to have a book called “Guerrilla Tactics for Getting the Law Job of Your Dreams” but discontinued it because law firm secretaries were sick of the getting harsssed all the time.

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toooldtocare (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:48 pm)

Wow-just took a look on Amazon-there's a whole cottage industry-still!-of books more or less claiming you can do anything with a JD. And the subtitle to the book 123 references is "regardless of your GRADES, your SCHOOL, or your WORK EXPERIENCE!"(emphasis in original. It's not just the law schools that are a'scammin'.

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dupednontraditional (Jan 16, 2019 - 4:03 pm)

Ah, I had forgotten about “Guerrilla Tactics for Getting the Law Job of Your Dreams.” Some of that book was OK (largely the parts encouraging people to buck-up for the long haul in a healthy, non-Boomer-judgey way) but a lot of the success stories were one-off, non-replicable anecdotes where happy-puppy determination and luck got one person a job. No what you would call a statistical study of job prospects, especially before the crash and the gig economy really started to take hold.

I remember my law school gave the book to everyone for "free," and had the author come and do a seminar because everyone was down in the dumps about job prospects (circa 2004). Call me jaded (guilty) but she had the crowd laughing and smiling big, not unlike when Scotty Bullock was making fun of "Solo Practice University." The author was probably not a bad person, but it still felt like peddling false hope in a lot of ways. Not that doing "nothing" is helpful, either.

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newjag17 (Jan 18, 2019 - 5:39 pm)

Interesting timing on this post--I was at my law school yesterday on an invite and ended up in the CSO just looking around. I asked one of their Directors if they helped alumni (curious what they would say) and was flatly told no that they didn't have the staff for alumni grads. Just remember that when they send that obnoxious plea for alumni donations in the mail.

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mnlaw (Jan 19, 2019 - 3:40 pm)

I was struggling a couple years after law school. I reached out to career services. They asked me to send in my resume. I was still using the exact same format they recommended, besides I took out my quartile (I was in the 4th quartile). She sent it back, with the only input being to add I finished in the 4th quartile to my resume. I’m not kidding

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