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Least miserable places to do doc review in DC

Obviously the work itself is boring and tedious pretty much wacko67803/02/19
I've not done DR before, but based on others' observations, catwoman33303/02/19
I've been doing doc review for a while and worked a few diff wacko67803/02/19
Wacko, could you recommend a good company to break into doc. catwoman33303/02/19
On the Relativity website they have interactive tutorials th wacko67803/03/19
Thanks for the tutorial advice. But what I really want to catwoman33303/03/19
As far as I know any company could your first. You just have section8rick03/03/19
Thanks. I've never heard of Posse List. Is it a pretty rel catwoman33303/03/19
Posse List is the best source for work, but not necessarily dieter03/11/19
Posse List is an email newsletter. They send stuff out when bittersweet03/07/19
Which agency has the most pleasant working environment in yo wacko67803/07/19
That's hard to answer. Some have decent spaces, but they ha bittersweet03/08/19
@bittersweet, would you mind sharing the names of agencies w catwoman33303/08/19
Just because an agency makes the that follows doesn't mean t bittersweet03/12/19
My experiences with agencies are that they are inconsistent, dieter03/11/19
If you're doing English review, expect to be treated like a shithead03/11/19
I haven't done any doc review since 2015, but my best experi perkinwarbeck03/12/19
I recently stopped doing doc review in January. It was my fi shm3203/13/19
Haven't worked for Clearwater. They seem to be one of the qu shithead03/13/19
Thanks to all who gave examples. Any suggestions for compani catwoman33303/13/19
Inspired Review was doing a lot of remote English reviews fo dieter03/13/19

wacko678 (Mar 2, 2019 - 1:34 pm)

Obviously the work itself is boring and tedious pretty much everywhere, but which places at least have a decent work environment? I'm on a project with Law Counsel now and the desk spaces are extremely tiny and the reviewers are really packed like sardines in the room. We are also not allowed to talk at all in the review room so you can hear a pin drop all day long. I realize some people prefer the quiet but I find it pretty depressing after a while, being able to chat from time to time helps the day go by particularly since the work itself is pretty mind numbing.

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catwoman333 (Mar 2, 2019 - 2:03 pm)

I've not done DR before, but based on others' observations, most DR job conditions seem miserable in the same way: very cramped space, unreasonably high production quotas, petty reprimands for talking, using restroom without formal permission, etc. You might try contacting DR firms that cater exclusively to Biglaw clients. Perhaps that would increase odds of getting more spacious firm digs.

IMO, in the 21st Century, most of these jobs should and could be easily done remotely (from your own law office or home). I did a quick internet search for remote DC jobs and came up with this link: https://absolutedisclosure.com.

Has anyone heard of them?? They claim to allow remote DR work ($25/hr.) and be in business since 2005. But, strangely, I couldn't find any reviews (good or bad). Also, their website is very basic and no copyright year is listed at the bottom of the page. Those factors are a red flag, tells me it's either a new or rebranded startup or just a scam trolling for atty resumes. So beware...

Good luck!

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wacko678 (Mar 2, 2019 - 4:00 pm)

I've been doing doc review for a while and worked a few different places and had pretty good experiences overall. A lot of my past projects were on site at various firms and there was a good amount of desk space and people were friendly and there was good cammeraderie. I'm still friends with many of the people I met on those projects, many of them are now staff attorneys.

I heard Epiq used to be bad with not letting people talk and also not letting people use their phones, but I wonder if it's gotten any better there. KL Discovery advertises a working environment "where you are valued and respected", I wonder what that actually means.

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catwoman333 (Mar 2, 2019 - 10:08 pm)

Wacko, could you recommend a good company to break into doc. review?

I've thought of trying to do that when I'm not in court, on the side, to earn extra income. But I've never worked for any DR firm before and most DR ads all seem to want people with years of prior DR experience.

Thanks.

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wacko678 (Mar 3, 2019 - 10:52 am)

On the Relativity website they have interactive tutorials that show you what you need to know to review documents in Relativity, which is the platform almost everybody uses now. If you go through the basic beginner tutorials you know more than you need to.

When you're on a project, don't be that person asking lots of questions. Mistakes always get made, especially in the beginning of a project, and they fix it by running QC searches. When you get specific obvious guidance on something, follow directions and set aside your own opinions about how it should be. In all other cases, just use your best judgement and don't worry about trying to get everything right, since nobody is, and it will ultimately be fixed on the back end. Meet whatever pace they want and be easy going.

As far as where is a good environment to do doc review, that is what I am wondering myself. I just want to be somewhere where you have a normal desk and chatting in the review room isn't strictly prohibited all day long.

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catwoman333 (Mar 3, 2019 - 12:37 pm)

Thanks for the tutorial advice.

But what I really want to know is which DR firm hired you when you had NO doc. review experience? I assume it was through Law Counsel (the only one you mentioned)? Most DR jobs seem to ask for only "experienced" DR attys. Thanks.

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section8rick (Mar 3, 2019 - 1:09 pm)

As far as I know any company could your first. You just have to catch them at a the right time, when they need bodies. Have you signed up for Posse List? They'll send you e-mails about projects scheduled to start in your area.

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catwoman333 (Mar 3, 2019 - 1:38 pm)

Thanks. I've never heard of Posse List. Is it a pretty reliable source of ongoing, steady work?

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dieter (Mar 11, 2019 - 11:35 pm)

Posse List is the best source for work, but not necessarily steady. That depends on your skill set and experience.

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bittersweet (Mar 7, 2019 - 1:35 pm)

Posse List is an email newsletter. They send stuff out when various agencies have a gig to staff.

In this industry, very little is reliable. Find an agency to get a gig with. If you do a good job and make them look good, most agencies will be happy to roll you over to the next project if they can. The problem is that not all agencies have clients that give them steady work.

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wacko678 (Mar 7, 2019 - 10:38 pm)

Which agency has the most pleasant working environment in your experience?

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bittersweet (Mar 8, 2019 - 4:54 pm)

That's hard to answer. Some have decent spaces, but they have only a year lease and might not be there in a couple months. They will crowd you in if they need to or let you spread out if the client is paying for the whole space. But you might get shuffled to a whole new location with an hours notice if they need the space for a better paying client. Sometimes that "new space" is three metro stops away from where you were yesterday.

I've had good experience with several agencies. And crappy experiences. None of them stand out either way as being only pleasant or only unpleasant.

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catwoman333 (Mar 8, 2019 - 10:04 pm)

@bittersweet, would you mind sharing the names of agencies where you had good experiences? Thanks.

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bittersweet (Mar 12, 2019 - 1:03 pm)

Just because an agency makes the that follows doesn't mean that I haven't had crappy experience with them. I agree with the comments Dieter and Sh##head below about inconsistency - there will be good and bad.

Special Counsel
Lexolution
Advanced Discovery
Compliance
Tower
Palmer
Update
KL Discovery

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dieter (Mar 11, 2019 - 11:33 pm)

My experiences with agencies are that they are inconsistent, with the client rather than the agency dictating some of the more unpleasant work conditions (unflexible working hours, no cell phones, micromanagement). Epiq used to have a reputation for being hard on reviewers, but they've been my best agency for the past couple-few years. I've had good experiences with KL Discovery recently on a few. They are way out in McLean though, and a hike from the nearest Metro station.

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shithead (Mar 11, 2019 - 5:59 pm)

If you're doing English review, expect to be treated like a fungible commodity. DC is flooded with desperate larval lawyers recently admitted. I've been doing foreign language projects in DC for years. Conditions are usually better, pay always higher. I haven't done English for ages, and would rather be unemployed.

Epiq, it really depends. They get a lot of projects - I've been doing a unicorn of a remote language one for them since October. Law Counsel has work near Metro Center, in cramped offices. There are about a dozen agencies hiring in DC. They change every year, through mergers or going broke. On a project, put your head down, figure out what's expected for production, don't stand out, don't get embroiled in drama.

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perkinwarbeck (Mar 12, 2019 - 5:35 pm)

I haven't done any doc review since 2015, but my best experiences were always when the work occurred at the law firm itself instead of some contractor site. The last one I worked on was pretty nice. It was at DLA Piper, staffed through TrustPoint, and they had free bagels on friday, haha. They also had free coffee always.

I never had the misfortune of being at one of the hell holes with no talking or cell phones.

Here are the agencies I used. I believe all my experiences were generally positive:

LegalSource
TrustPoint
Synergy
eTera Consulting

What's with these people and random capitals.

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shm32 (Mar 13, 2019 - 11:52 am)

I recently stopped doing doc review in January. It was my first time (and hopefully my last) and I only worked for one company (doing diff projects), but despite the actual work of doc review, I enjoyed my time at Clearwater. I met some pretty cool people and stayed friends with them after doc review. We weren't super cramped, even when the projects were at full capacity. We basically talked like all day long and everyone is super nice there.

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shithead (Mar 13, 2019 - 2:38 pm)

Haven't worked for Clearwater. They seem to be one of the quieter agencies here. That usually means they keep a stable of coders they like and treat well, not advertising much.

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catwoman333 (Mar 13, 2019 - 3:20 pm)

Thanks to all who gave examples. Any suggestions for companies hiring doc reviewers to work "remotely"?

Has anyone heard of "Absolute Disclosure" (https://absolutedisclosure.com), an internet site claiming to offer home-based/remote doc review opptys. They claim to have been around since 2005, yet their webpage looks pretty rudimentary, lacks a copyright date, and I couldn't find a single review of this "company"(good or bad) on the internet. Seems more like a recent startup puffing non-existent business or, worse case, an ID fraud scamster harvesting atty resumes to sell to a 3P in Nigeria...:).

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dieter (Mar 13, 2019 - 4:14 pm)

Inspired Review was doing a lot of remote English reviews for $23/hour. It's as a 1099 contractor though. They were recently acquired by Haystack, so I don't know what the current situation is.

Looks like they're called ReviewRight now. I've heard really mixed things about them, but it won't hurt to register.

https://www.reviewright.com/#getting-started

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