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So I just took the bar. I am applying to legal jobs as I am mera8804/12/19
Hi Mera, I worked retail jobs with a bachelor and a law d somefed04/12/19
Also, have you considered signing up with a temp agency? I somefed04/12/19
Oh okay I have been applying to retail jobs online and they mera8804/12/19
If you worked at all during LS (e.g., PT days, evenings and/ catwoman33304/12/19
Yeah, I did work during law school but they are short intern mera8804/13/19
Well, my dear, then join the party. Unless you are fortunat catwoman33304/13/19
Yeah, thanks for the advice. I did want to work for the g mera8804/14/19
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mera88 (Apr 12, 2019 - 3:39 pm)

So I just took the bar. I am applying to legal jobs as I am waiting for my results. But my back account is in the negative. And I have so many bills. Has anyone ever applied to part-time retail positions with a JD and landed one? If so can you give advice on how to structure your resume so I don't look overqualified? I need a part-time position so I can continue to apply for jobs. By the way, I have done retail in the past before law school.

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somefed (Apr 12, 2019 - 4:15 pm)

Hi Mera,

I worked retail jobs with a bachelor and a law degree. Most of the places did not take resumes, just the company's pre-printed application.

Most places are looking for someone who is reliable and outgoing. There are a lot of people in retail who have other jobs and professions. If you get an interview,just tell them that you want to work there to supplement your income. Many retail employees have more than one job, and the retailers are fine with it as long as you come to work on time.

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somefed (Apr 12, 2019 - 4:23 pm)

Also, have you considered signing up with a temp agency? I mean a general agency, not a legal one. Sometimes that is a good option if you know that you can't make a long term commitment to a job.

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mera88 (Apr 12, 2019 - 5:05 pm)

Oh okay I have been applying to retail jobs online and they seem to ask for a resume. Maybe I can go into the stores and apply.

I don't want to register with a regular temp agency because I have done that before law school and the places they sent me to were a nightmare. I would just like to avoid regular temp agencies as much as possible. If i can get a steady gig that would be great.

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catwoman333 (Apr 12, 2019 - 8:27 pm)

If you worked at all during LS (e.g., PT days, evenings and/or during summer between semesters), you could just submit your resume minus the JD/LS designation and no one would ever guess or care. If not, you're stuck with having to explain a big 3-year resume gap. Of course, in this day and age of high atty un/underemployment, retail employers probably won't be shocked to find JDs applying for their positions. So just roll the dice.. Whether you get an interview depends on the employer, how many apps they get, how flexible they are. But I agree with somefed. You're chances are probably better (if you leave the JD on your resume) if the job is temp. That way you know they're probably just looking for warm bodies to fill slots for a few months and you can avoid the awkward "Why would an atty want this job?" Qs.

I worked as a PT bookstore cashier during my first year of LS (during a recession). The bookstore owner was a cool, interesting old guy who had seen a lot of life. We were both literature lovers and history buffs who just had a good rapport during the interview, talking about books and politics. I was open about my LS schedule, studies when I applied. I emphasized that I would be a good steady, reliable, long term employee who wouldn't just ditch the job with little/zero notice after a few weeks if things didn't work out. I think he also hired me because I was super outgoing, and he could see I had the right kind of personality to enjoy "schmoozing" with customers. After my first year, when I started applying for 2nd-3rd year clerkships, I was open with him about it because I valued him as a great employer and a good job reference.

BTW, when I first started LS, my welcome packet advised students to avoid telling prospective landlords or non-law-related employers about LS studies. We were told that non-atty employers and landlords would avoid hiring or renting to "obvious" law students because they were afraid they would end up in court in cases of workplace conflicts or landlord-tenant disputes...:).

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mera88 (Apr 13, 2019 - 10:16 am)

Yeah, I did work during law school but they are short internships so it kind of looks bad on my resume without the JD to explain it away. if i had only kept one long-term internship, I probably could keep the JD off my resume.

Yeah, I did work as a cashier before law school but I think having law school on my resume might make HR discard my resume.

Yeah, my law school does not tell us not to tell prospective landlords or employers that. I can totally see why they would tell you that, ppl don't want to get sued.

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catwoman333 (Apr 13, 2019 - 1:51 pm)

Well, my dear, then join the party. Unless you are fortunate enough to have Ivy LS credentials or enjoy family wealth, wonderful job connections, I guess you're just screwed like thousands of other newly-minted JDs with high debt who graduate each year into a dismal attorney job market.

If you think it's bad now, wait until you have years/decades of experience and still struggle to find a decent paying atty. job. with good long-term prospects. Just glancing at other threads on this board, you will find many comments from unhappy people either struggling as solos, burned out by biglaw, or stuck in dead end, low-paying document review or AA/DW jobs.

I know you didn't ask for long term career advice, but I assume you're still young enough (20s?) to be able to GTH out of law altogether while there is still plenty of time to make a major career direction change. Honestly, if I were that age in the current oversaturated lawyer market, I would run as fast as my feet would carry me into an entirely different career or at least into a related one where you could perhaps use your legal education (e.g., lobbying, legislative analysis or business/finance).

Better to be 25 years old with easily remediable regrets than 45-50+ years old with regrets harder to reverse. I sometimes think if I had chucked LS classes in the first year and stuck with the book store job instead, I would have had zero student loan debt and a decent shot at store ownership after the nice old guy retired..:).

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mera88 (Apr 14, 2019 - 12:32 pm)

Yeah, thanks for the advice.

I did want to work for the government in a legal role but I am rethinking that idea. I have applied but I have not gotten any traction.

As for a completely different career which is JD preferred, I am trying.

Yes, I do wish I hadn't gone to law school at all. I could have just reworked my pre-law school experience in my resume in a way that employers were attracted too and I would not be in this conundrum with six figure debt and struggling to find a job.

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lawrunner317 (Apr 13, 2019 - 3:56 pm)

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