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I had jury duty yesterday - apparently I was part of a large 6figuremistake04/23/19
Alternatively, just tell the judge and attorneys that you’ dingbat04/23/19
Didn't you mention that you're an attorney on the pre-questi ugly04/23/19
In my state, it isn't an automatic dismissal. Also, you brin 6figuremistake04/23/19
Same here; very inefficient. I used to get called once a ye wutwutwut04/23/19
Last time I served Jury Duty, the Judge lamented that he too patenttrollnj04/23/19
I know an ALJ who actually got selected and served through t plunky04/23/19
About ten years ago the Chief Justice of the Indiana Supreme inindiana04/23/19
I know plenty of attorneys that have sat on juries. Not sure specv31304/24/19
This differs from state-to-state. Some states exempt attorne malletofmalice04/24/19
I'd imagine an attorney would be wary of another attorney be 6figuremistake04/24/19
Depends on whether you have solid evidence on your side, or dingbat04/30/19
I was placed on a grand jury (federal) list years ago. Neve qdllc04/26/19
Folks, nobody really wants a lawyer serving on the jury. patenttrollnj04/27/19
In my jdx, the adage of "no one wants a lawyer on a jury" do onehell04/30/19
In my jdx legal secretaries get sent home at the first menti jmoney04/30/19
I got picked for a jury a few years ago. Missed an entire we newsolo05/01/19
6figuremistake (Apr 23, 2019 - 8:46 am)

I had jury duty yesterday - apparently I was part of a large pool for a fairly high profile case in our state (though I didn't realize it at the time). This led to a pretty long wait until I met with the judge/attorneys. Pretty much all of their questions related to my education. They dismissed me in about 5 seconds. It's supposed to be a six day trial. While it's still not exactly worth the six figure price tag, the "get out of a lengthy trial" perk is a nice benefit of this otherwise worthless degree.

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dingbat (Apr 23, 2019 - 9:39 am)

Alternatively, just tell the judge and attorneys that you’re a strong proponent of the death penalty ... for jaywalking

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ugly (Apr 23, 2019 - 9:59 am)

Didn't you mention that you're an attorney on the pre-questionnaire form? Save yourself a trip to the court even.

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6figuremistake (Apr 23, 2019 - 10:05 am)

In my state, it isn't an automatic dismissal. Also, you bring the form with you, so nobody has the opportunity to review it before you arrive at the courthouse.

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wutwutwut (Apr 23, 2019 - 10:26 am)

Same here; very inefficient. I used to get called once a year in the last place I lived. They usually dismiss attorneys relatively early, but I was in a pool of 40 one time that had almost 10 of us, so we all had to stick through "hardship" excuses and voir dire. As the pool dwindled I was thinking I'd get stuck with it but then realized I'd gone to LS with one on the prosecution team and that got me released.

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patenttrollnj (Apr 23, 2019 - 2:38 pm)

Last time I served Jury Duty, the Judge lamented that he too had to serve Jury Duty the prior month.

I mean, a JUDGE serving Jury Duty???

Frankly, any lawyer, judge, paralegal and/or legal secretary should be exempt from Jury Duty.

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plunky (Apr 23, 2019 - 7:38 pm)

I know an ALJ who actually got selected and served through the whole trial.

I understand why people would want to kick any lawyer, but a judge is kind of the perfect juror in some cases. They're supposed to apply the law to the evidence. The problem would be thinking they would fill in things that weren't there - legally or factually. But as a judge, wouldn't you be extra careful as a juror not to do that? I think in a case that was just a factual dispute, both sides might even want a judge there. I definitely would have thought "hell no" originally, but after hearing from this ALJ, it made some sense in some cases.

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inindiana (Apr 23, 2019 - 8:47 pm)

About ten years ago the Chief Justice of the Indiana Supreme Court received a jury summons and showed up. Of course he was booted off right away, but the incident was written up in the state bar magazine as a “look how civic minded he was for showing up” story. I think the media picked up on it too.

Of course this meant that we could no longer get excused just by calling the judge’s secretary to explain that there was no point in showing up and then not doing it.

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specv313 (Apr 24, 2019 - 1:46 am)

I know plenty of attorneys that have sat on juries. Not sure where the “attorney = automatic dismissal” thing comes from. Booting an attorney from a venire simply because s/he’s an attorney seems like a waste of a peremptory challenge to me.

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malletofmalice (Apr 24, 2019 - 2:15 am)

This differs from state-to-state. Some states exempt attorneys from jury duty. In these states, attorneys can still serve on juries if they want to, but they can automatically get out using the exemption.

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6figuremistake (Apr 24, 2019 - 8:35 am)

I'd imagine an attorney would be wary of another attorney being seen by the other jurors as an authority figure and may blunt their strategy. Anyway, all I know is that the plaintiff's attorney really dug into my educational background including internships. (I've never actually practiced.) The process took so long because they seemed to spend forever interviewing each juror before me, but they only spent a few minutes with me (and it took about 2 seconds for them to release me).

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dingbat (Apr 30, 2019 - 1:13 pm)

Depends on whether you have solid evidence on your side, or whether you’re trying to sway the jury emotionally

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qdllc (Apr 26, 2019 - 6:50 am)

I was placed on a grand jury (federal) list years ago. Never got called. I called the court clerk and explained that I was a law school graduate and worked in a law office. She told me to note that on the information sheet, but that didn’t get me excused. So, a whole year I was eligible to be called, but they never did.

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patenttrollnj (Apr 27, 2019 - 7:05 pm)

Folks, nobody really wants a lawyer serving on the jury.

Yes, we get called. Yes, we waste our time. In the end, however, we get sent home.

Certainly, in the history of jury duty, there have probably been some lawyers that got stuck on a jury, but this is not the way it normally happens.

It's sort of analogous to when a graduate of a tier 4 law school becoming partner at BigLaw. Yes, I'm sure it happens once or twice a generation, but it's just not the way things work normally.

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onehell (Apr 30, 2019 - 12:47 pm)

In my jdx, the adage of "no one wants a lawyer on a jury" doesn't hold true at all. There's no categorical dislike of lawyers on a jury, on the contrary I see lawyers seated somewhat regularly.

The real disqualifier seems to be what kind of law you actually practice. So for example, a defense attorney is probably never going to get seated in any criminal case, but as you said, you'll still have to show up because they're not going to "officially" ask you about what kind of law you practice until voir dire, even if you do try to put it on the questionnaire. However, if your practice area doesn't include anything similar to what is actually being tried, then you have as good a chance as anyone of being seated.

This happened to me when I got called for a federal criminal trial. My practice area had nothing to do with the case at issue so they were clearly going to seat me. I begged and pleaded with the judge because I had other matters with impending deadlines. The judge was hesitant, called me up to the bench and explained to me (very kindly) that she was concerned that it would send a bad message to other jurors. She said it wouldn't seem fair if others got the impression that lawyers get a pass on jury duty, because "everyone has obligations." I said that while my opposing parties would obviously accommodate me (they would have to) I still didn't want my clients' matters to be delayed because they needed resolution. She ultimately, and reluctantly, let me out. But if I hadn't really pressed the issue, I know for sure that I would have been sat.

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jmoney (Apr 30, 2019 - 11:27 pm)

In my jdx legal secretaries get sent home at the first mention. If you remotely know how any of it works you’re tagged out.

Small bar. If I got called I’d know the judge, the prosecutor/plaintiffs lawyer and the defendants lawyer and all of their secretaries and paralegals. No jury duty for me ever.

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newsolo (May 1, 2019 - 6:23 am)

I got picked for a jury a few years ago. Missed an entire week of work and most of the jury just wanted me to make the decision for them. Awful experience.

Received a new summons yesterday. Going to do everything I can to make sure I don’t get selected again.

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