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'Stealthing' conviction in Germany

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/20/he alth/stealthing-germany-s superttthero12/23/18
That’s absurd. Who here hasn’t stealthed once or twice? gladigotaphdinstead12/23/18
The same mental gymnastics that put off-color sex jokes on t actionbronson12/23/18
First off, they should stop trying to make it sound so omino walkingparadox12/26/18
Rape mentioned I assume because In an absolutely absurd and gladigotaphdinstead12/26/18
Calling it "rape" is too harsh. But I don't really have a p shuiz12/26/18
The feminazi would have my head but I have a lot of qualms w bigsal12/28/18
there's a translation error. The man wasn't convicted for dingbat12/29/18
Misdemeanor battery sounds about right. But it's almost alw shuiz12/31/18
Mispost superttthero12/31/18
I get what everyone here has said about proof. In the OP I s superttthero12/31/18
superttthero (Dec 23, 2018 - 6:53 am)

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/20/health/stealthing-germany-sexual-assault-scli-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

I actually dont have an issue with this, and would be OK with even harsher punishments than in the article, so long as due process is followed: criminal court, opportunity to face your accuser, and standard criminal burden of proof.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Dec 23, 2018 - 9:01 am)

That’s absurd. Who here hasn’t stealthed once or twice? Just don’t jizz inside the chick if you’re going to do it. That’s common sense.

The Swiss convicted a guy of rape for it. That’s disgusting. What mental gymnastics to equate rape to removing a condom during sex?

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actionbronson (Dec 23, 2018 - 2:56 pm)

The same mental gymnastics that put off-color sex jokes on the same plane as Harvey Weinstein's alleged crimes. The same mental gymnastics designed to maximize female sexual freedom while maximally criminalizing male sexual behavior.

What seems to be escaping most people is that third wave feminism is a society-wide sh1t-test. The whole idea of "stealthing" being a crime can, no joke, be traced back to a single feminist legal scholar. All of these crap ideas come from a tiny, tiny minority of people with influence. All we need to do as a society is say "no, shut the f*** up" and this all goes away.

Considering how much far lefty types love talking about ending mass incarceration and railing against the excesses of the criminal justice system, they sure seem very eager to make up crimes out of thin air.

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walkingparadox (Dec 26, 2018 - 6:29 pm)

First off, they should stop trying to make it sound so ominous. I thought it was a stranger sexually assaulting her, along the the lines of cumming on her in public and her not knowing or some sort of aggressive fingering and walking away.

The second issue I have her is it comes down to he said/she said again.

"The man defended himself in court by stating that the condom had already ripped, prompting him to remove it completely. He also claimed that he ejaculated outside the woman's body, an assertion the victim denies. The defendant has since stated that he will appeal the verdict to one of two higher courts in Berlin -- and the final outcome is still undetermined."

If he did what she said he did, it is wrong. If he did what he said in his version, it gets murky fast. Did he take it off and think she knew he did, and when he kept going she was fine with it? Did he bust a nut on her face and piss her off?

I also don't understand why rape is mentioned in the article, which this wasn't. The article mentions it a few times and that isn't the case.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Dec 26, 2018 - 6:49 pm)

Rape mentioned I assume because In an absolutely absurd and outrageous court decision in Switzerland, a man was convicted of rape for doing this.

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shuiz (Dec 26, 2018 - 7:34 pm)

Calling it "rape" is too harsh. But I don't really have a problem with recognizing a right to insist on condom use.

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bigsal (Dec 28, 2018 - 8:40 am)

The feminazi would have my head but I have a lot of qualms with the proofs here.

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dingbat (Dec 29, 2018 - 1:40 pm)

there's a translation error.

The man wasn't convicted for rape, but for sexual assault.
Even that, in most jurisdictions, would be a mistranslation, as battery would be more appropriate

As a reminder, battery is an offensive contact without that person's consent.

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shuiz (Dec 31, 2018 - 1:00 am)

Misdemeanor battery sounds about right. But it's almost always going to be "He said/She said."

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superttthero (Dec 31, 2018 - 7:45 am)

Mispost

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superttthero (Dec 31, 2018 - 7:45 am)

I get what everyone here has said about proof. In the OP I said that after a normal trial I have no issue with this.

One thing, it doesn't always have to be he said/she said. People are stupid and I can imagine a lot of cases where the dude brags to a witness or acknowledges he did so over text to the woman.

Also, it's not like he said/she said isnt a type of case in other settings. If a jury or judge find her credible over him enough to convict without a reasonable doubt, well, that's the system we have. I have a problem with University kangaroo courts changing the rules to effectively deny the accused of due process, but not someone losing because they were caught lying on something else, inconsistent on the stand, while the accused testified masterfully; that's just the stuff of a good trial for the accuser.

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