Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Could you sit a jury where Trump was a criminal defendant?

I don’t think I could. I could apply the beyond the reason jorgedeclaro12/27/18
That seems reasonable. I certainly wouldn't find anything he therewillbeblood12/27/18
you cant convict someone without a jury trial' and'there is defensivelawyer12/27/18
Have to ask for venue change to get nonbiased jury. Mars wutwutwut12/27/18
so Trump's legal team has the perfect legal rationale why M backfromthedead12/27/18
No. Notoriety is not a basis for being untriable. Even getti jorgedeclaro12/27/18
I'd pull out your posts and you would all be stricken for ca persius12/27/18
If you could find them. Voir dire would be a nightmare tryin jorgedeclaro12/27/18
Would trump testify or just sit in the courtroom fidgeting l midlaw12/27/18
Haha, could you imagine that man foregoing the pleasure of m wutwutwut12/27/18
I looked around to see if I could determine whether Trump ha jorgedeclaro12/31/18
Absolutely, I'm free that day! Just show me where to sign th onefortheteam12/28/18
I could be on the jury. I would consider only the evidence drewprocess12/28/18
Is it possible that he’s not guilty of all of the possible jorgedeclaro12/28/18
I would have a hard time not convicting him of a campaign fi drewprocess12/28/18
Um... scienter would be the big issue. Which is a jury quest jorgedeclaro12/28/18
The timing of a payoff a week before the election - do you t drewprocess12/31/18
That’s not the issue regarding scienter. jorgedeclaro12/31/18
Yes sir. I would be completely unbiased when I find him guil gladigotaphdinstead12/28/18
No sweat being a juror. To solve this riddle, just follow t catwoman33312/30/18
Almost certainly no. Would I *try* to come off as unbiase whatnext12/31/18



jorgedeclaro (Dec 27, 2018 - 11:53 am)

I don’t think I could. I could apply the beyond the reasonable doubt standard and not let my dislike of him prevent me from fairy considering the evidence presented.

But, the thing I wouldn’t be able to get past is that I’ve prejudged his credibility prior to the case. And I don’t think I could put that aside.

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therewillbeblood (Dec 27, 2018 - 12:01 pm)

That seems reasonable. I certainly wouldn't find anything he said credible.

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defensivelawyer (Dec 27, 2018 - 12:06 pm)

you cant convict someone without a jury trial' and'there is no one who hasnt prejudged his credibility

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wutwutwut (Dec 27, 2018 - 1:17 pm)

Have to ask for venue change to get nonbiased jury.

Mars might work.


Edit: or that remote tribe wot kilt that missionary recently.

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backfromthedead (Dec 27, 2018 - 1:41 pm)

so Trump's legal team has the perfect legal rationale why Mueller can't put Trump on trial after Mueller makes history by successfully indicting a sitting President

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 27, 2018 - 2:47 pm)

No. Notoriety is not a basis for being untriable. Even getting venue changed is difficult enough. Jeff Skilling of Enron couldn’t even get out of Houston.

Trump probably has a better argument than most to maybe change venue. It wouldn’t be the notoriety of the case per se, but it would be difficult to find jurors who have not already formed strong opinions as to Trump, either pro or con. Presumably you know that you would be unable to honestly serve on a jury in which Trump was the defendant.

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persius (Dec 27, 2018 - 2:58 pm)

I'd pull out your posts and you would all be stricken for cause.

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 27, 2018 - 3:30 pm)

If you could find them. Voir dire would be a nightmare trying to ferret out those hiding pro-Trump and anti-Trump convictions. It would like that scene in Runaway Jury with the juror flipping out that he was struck on a preemptory challenge. Except on steroids.

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midlaw (Dec 27, 2018 - 5:16 pm)

Would trump testify or just sit in the courtroom fidgeting like a bored toddler?

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wutwutwut (Dec 27, 2018 - 9:50 pm)

Haha, could you imagine that man foregoing the pleasure of mouthing off in his own defense?

No matter what his attorneys advised him?

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 31, 2018 - 1:10 pm)

I looked around to see if I could determine whether Trump had actually ever testified at a trial. Couldn’t find the answer. He’s been deposed before.

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:15 am)

Absolutely, I'm free that day! Just show me where to sign the papers

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drewprocess (Dec 28, 2018 - 7:28 am)

I could be on the jury. I would consider only the evidence in court, and I would be interested to see how Guiliani et al defend him. there are a lot of possible charges against him; I have probably stronger opinions about some of those more than others at this point. It is certAinly possible that he is not guilty of some of the possible charges.

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:17 am)

Is it possible that he’s not guilty of all of the possible charges? I think your comment itself shows you couldn’t sit on the jury.

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drewprocess (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:23 am)

I would have a hard time not convicting him of a campaign finance violation that his co-conspirator admitted to and where the facts are not really in dispute. The only real defense is a legal one - ie for the judge to decide not a jury, so I think of that charge reached a jury and I was on it it would be hard to imagine not voting guilty.

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 28, 2018 - 6:12 pm)

Um... scienter would be the big issue. Which is a jury question.

Struck for cause.

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drewprocess (Dec 31, 2018 - 5:54 am)

The timing of a payoff a week before the election - do you think there is a legitimate question of whether that is intended to influence the election?

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 31, 2018 - 10:50 am)

That’s not the issue regarding scienter.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Dec 28, 2018 - 8:59 am)

Yes sir. I would be completely unbiased when I find him guilty as sin.

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catwoman333 (Dec 30, 2018 - 11:12 pm)

No sweat being a juror. To solve this riddle, just follow the $$$ trail.

But I would hate to be his defense atty. By all accounts, he is the client from hell (keeps making stupid, self-incriminating statements and has a long history of refusing advice and refusing to pay people who work for him). No wonder no one wants to be his counsel. Regardless of the outcome, WTH wants to be associated with the most laughably bizarre mobster POTUS in US history?? People associated with him, even for a short period of time, will NEVER be able to wash that stench away. Regardless of what else they do in life, their epitaphs will be "Shilled for Circus Clown Trump".

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whatnext (Dec 31, 2018 - 11:12 am)

Almost certainly no.

Would I *try* to come off as unbiased so I could serve on the jury? Yes.

Would I fail to come off as unbiased and get dinged?

Almost certainly yes.

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