Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Lately I've been hearing that the border wall is racist and also (most recently) an immoral thing

Yet many prominent democratic politicians have been on recor wutwutwut12/27/18
So...how come a Republican house, Senate, and president coul bangbus12/27/18
What does that have to do with the actual question? Is a wa anotherjd12/27/18
Inherently? No. It doesn't mean race doesnt play a role. superttthero12/27/18
How? How is it always race? Were Clinton/Bush (I think h walkingparadox12/28/18
If Trump wanted to control the border through effective chan superttthero12/28/18
Readie compie not bangie-bussies strongie suitie. wutwutwut12/27/18
Pray tell where you hear these things. Lately, I hear Ret corneroffice12/27/18
"I hear Rethugs are godless Nazis that pray to thier God Tru wutwutwut12/28/18
Because it’s effective. The left has argued that every opp jorgedeclaro12/27/18
It’s immoral and racist because it’s expressly designed exnite12/27/18
Yep. Agree. And yet when previous politicians went on wutwutwut12/28/18
There's going to be an awful lot of angry racists in this co onefortheteam12/28/18
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net /villains/images/2/20/Bor wutwutwut12/28/18
Question doesnt deserve a serious response, but ill give a r bangbus12/28/18
Cool, bro, you should shoot up more often (or snort, or what wutwutwut12/28/18
I think that sand is starting to affect your comprehension b bangbus12/28/18
Apparently it is racist to control your borders. The situat walkingparadox12/28/18
"They’re bringing drugs" This is probably a real unspok persius12/28/18
The War on drugs is the biggest failed experiment in America onefortheteam12/28/18
How did you know I was thinking of you when I made that post persius12/28/18
You were thinking of me? Oh gee now I'm touched, I feel bumm onefortheteam12/28/18
Bangbus too because I read the posts above to be honest. persius12/28/18
I am not arguing for legalization, what I am arguing is that onefortheteam12/28/18
So it sounds like persius is not in favor of a real solution bangbus12/28/18
don't be afraid of unloading with the ad hominems when it co backfromthedead12/28/18
I read one statistic that said in 2013 Democrats approved $4 persius12/28/18
I'm fine with the wall, but trump said Mexico will pay for i bangbus12/28/18
Yeah but wut about Obummer though? Don't care, the war o onefortheteam12/28/18
I dgaf anymore I guess. To persius' point of what's an extra finklebots12/28/18
It is very easy to get Mexico to pay for it. Simply levy a secondcareerlawyer12/28/18
Sounds like you're taxing people sending money to mexico, in superttthero12/28/18
The border wall is racist for the same reason that anti-terr brokelawyer12/28/18
I agree with you on racism being in everything. https:// walkingparadox12/28/18
Build the wall. Legalize all drugs. AMA. jmoney12/28/18
In the meantime, CA the "Sanctuary State," (of Stupid, IMO) catwoman33312/29/18
Deport/imprison all non citizens in possession of firearms. finklebots12/29/18
Sounds dandy to me. Not sure of relevance to OP, though wutwutwut12/29/18
Ugh, so many layers of rediculosness here. Why do we need to finklebots12/29/18



wutwutwut (Dec 27, 2018 - 9:48 pm)

Yet many prominent democratic politicians have been on record in years past as supporting a border wall, supporting increased border protections, supporting improved measures to reduce illegal immigration.

Is Mr. Trump's border wall only racist and immoral because Mr. Trump has pushed for it using dogwhistle rhetoric to drum up support from racists?

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bangbus (Dec 27, 2018 - 10:08 pm)

So...how come a Republican house, Senate, and president couldn't get it...erected?

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anotherjd (Dec 27, 2018 - 10:39 pm)

What does that have to do with the actual question? Is a wall or barrier against entry into the US inherently immoral?

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superttthero (Dec 27, 2018 - 10:54 pm)

Inherently? No.

It doesn't mean race doesnt play a role.

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walkingparadox (Dec 28, 2018 - 9:07 am)

How?

How is it always race? Were Clinton/Bush (I think he had a comment on it)/Obama all racists when they said we need to control the border?

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superttthero (Dec 28, 2018 - 11:48 am)

If Trump wanted to control the border through effective channels (e.g. penalizing those that hire illegals) hed have my support.

Instead, he is using anecdotes to stoke fear and wants to spend billions on something of marginal effect (most illegals are overstays, wall will not be 100% effective) to create a boogey man and keep him in power.

He is irrationally scapegoating a group of people that are of another race/ethnic group to garner support and the wall is a tool in this. Like I said, a wall is not inherently racist, but its something akin to it in the current debate.

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wutwutwut (Dec 27, 2018 - 10:42 pm)

Readie compie not bangie-bussies strongie suitie.

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corneroffice (Dec 27, 2018 - 11:02 pm)

Pray tell where you hear these things.

Lately, I hear Rethugs are godless Nazis that pray to thier God Trump.

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wutwutwut (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:01 am)

"I hear Rethugs are godless Nazis that pray to thier God Trump"


Wait - are you trying to say that's just an unfounded rumor?

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jorgedeclaro (Dec 27, 2018 - 10:24 pm)

Because it’s effective. The left has argued that every opposition on every issue is based on race. Environmentalism, pro-zoning, anti-zoning, balanced budgets, protectionism, free trade, wars, isolastionism and immigration. It doesn’t matter. Politics is about appealing to the lowest common denominator. And racism is one of those long-standing appeals. Just as otherism is a long-standing Republican appeal. So as polarization coalesces, so will claims of ism against oppenents.

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exnite (Dec 27, 2018 - 11:38 pm)

It’s immoral and racist because it’s expressly designed to keep Mexicans and other “coloreds” from Central America OUT per Trump

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

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wutwutwut (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:00 am)

Yep. Agree.


And yet when previous politicians went on record as supporting a border wall, supporting increased border protections, supporting improved measures to reduce illegal immigration, who were they trying to keep out?


The Nederlanders? The (great) Danes?


Or were they also trying to keep those same brown people from crossing our Southern border?

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:04 am)

There's going to be an awful lot of angry racists in this country when they finally realize the wall is never going to be built and no comprehensive immigration bill signed. The real problem with weaponizing racism as a political tool is that nothing ever gets accomplished. All discourse and progress grinds to a halt and all people end up doing is arguing whether a wall is "immoral."

Next time maybe we let adults in this country address this matter and not some cartoon villian in a red hat.

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wutwutwut (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:13 am)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/2/20/Boris_Badenov.png/revision/latest?cb=20180811204159

Black hat, belike. I'm pretty sure he's Russian.

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bangbus (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:22 am)

Question doesnt deserve a serious response, but ill give a response that'll answer both our questions.

You can totally support the idea of a wall, but shot it down when trump wants to do it. Nothing inconsistent there and it is immoral and racist to support the wall under trump.

You see, trump said Mexico was going to pay for the wall...Mexicans specifically...a nation of peoples with predominately brown skin.

Trump is also on record saying this is Mexico's problem and they would be happy to pay for the wall to fix their problem.

Well...after 2 years trump has failed to secure funding from mexico and he doesnt even have a promise of reimbursement.

Now trump wants to AMERICA to pay for the wall? That is immoral. It's not America's problem. Also, America is a nation of predominately LAWs and trump wants them to foot the bill on behalf of the mexicans? Totally totally racist.

That is why trump couldn't get the minority Democrats on board or the majority Republicans on board.

Or you know...the Democrats changed their mind on the issue...like your dear leader does on every other issue.

What's the problem with that?

I don't see you complaining when trump does it.

I think your problem is with Democrats in general...racist

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wutwutwut (Dec 28, 2018 - 12:47 am)

Cool, bro, you should shoot up more often (or snort, or whatever you've been doing tonight).

It doesn't help your memory, or comprehension of others, or make you any more lucid, but I bet it makes you feel more lucid and comprehending when you're writing under the influence.

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bangbus (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:31 am)

I think that sand is starting to affect your comprehension bro.

It's a perfectly logical answer to your silly question

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walkingparadox (Dec 28, 2018 - 9:11 am)

Apparently it is racist to control your borders. The situation was worsened the past few years. Illegals crossing in have changed tactics. They use the unaccompanied minors to get teens and young gang members into the country. Then they use the family unit excuse and that is why you see the random kids with adults. Notice the kid who died recently was 1 of 4 IIRC. Dad comes here illegally, leaves mom and 3 kids but drags one with him here to use as a legal defense.

You can't say you are in support of tighter control without being labeled a racist. Then it goes off the rails and you get the usual blah blah blah of, "you are just afraid of brown people" BS, and there is no way I know of to prove you aren't a racist.

My friend's dad used to work on the border and is glad he is away from there at a new job. It is getting ridiculous.

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persius (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:02 am)

"They’re bringing drugs"

This is probably a real unspoken sticking point for many who oppose the wall. The wall threatens their supply.

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:06 am)

The War on drugs is the biggest failed experiment in American judicial history. At least we eventually learned our lesson during prohibition.


Yes, let's throw another 5 billion or whatever fighting the "War in Drugs," since we've made so much progress in the past 60 or 70 years.

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persius (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:17 am)

How did you know I was thinking of you when I made that post? The price of your weed may go up, no?

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:27 am)

You were thinking of me? Oh gee now I'm touched, I feel bummed though because now I'll have to admit that you don't occupy any space in my head.


But yes let's invest another few billion into building and patrolling a wall in order to combat "The War on Drugs." The plan is foolproof. I mean it's a wall, it's not like planes, ships, and ample farming land in our own country doesn't already exist.

Reminder prescription drug overdoses outnumber illegal street drug overdoses, but no one cares so long as BigPharma gets their pound of flesh

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persius (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:38 am)

Bangbus too because I read the posts above to be honest.

Part of the legalization argument is that weed is still the biggest revenue producer for the cartels. I don’t think legalization will take it totally away from the cartels because they still undercut legal weed, but if they have to dig more tunnels, use drones, drive it through border crossings, or use ships it gets a little more risky and expensive for the end user.

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:42 am)

I am not arguing for legalization, what I am arguing is that the War on Drugs has been an abject failure. I don't know if that necessarily means all drugs should be legalized but I can certainly think of better ways to piss away another couple of billion, like let's give the ultra wealthy another massive tax break. You know because it worked so well the first time.

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bangbus (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:46 am)

So it sounds like persius is not in favor of a real solution, just symbolic ones.

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backfromthedead (Dec 28, 2018 - 11:16 am)

don't be afraid of unloading with the ad hominems when it comes to Mr Precious

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persius (Dec 28, 2018 - 3:42 pm)

I read one statistic that said in 2013 Democrats approved $48 billion for increased border security, but now with Trump they are holding the line on $5 billion. I think that is what this thread is about.

The strong opposition to it seems to be the biggest indicator that leads me to believe that it is may work and it is the biggest bang for the buck. Some are sweating immigrant votes, others cheap labor, some just hate Trump and this is a Trump project, and bangbus is sweating the price of his big fat bags of crack.



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bangbus (Dec 28, 2018 - 4:07 pm)

I'm fine with the wall, but trump said Mexico will pay for it.

Hes not going to use US money to pay for it.

Gotta keep your promises

We're not going to be suckers anymore.

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onefortheteam (Dec 28, 2018 - 4:12 pm)

Yeah but wut about Obummer though?

Don't care, the war on drugs has been an unmitigated disaster. Chasing billions of bad dollars after bad dollars. We have only fueled Narco massive empires with enough money and guns to arm the old Confederacy. Meanwhile cops get shot in the streets trying to enforce our laws on morality and people are killselfing in record numbers anyways off prescription drugs. Big pharma throws wild sex parties where they award themselves lavish bonuses for killing a few more of their patients than the year before and we're all a little bit dumber for it in the end.

The Narcos wil always find a way to get a product to a junkie, it's not a matter of 'if '

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finklebots (Dec 28, 2018 - 4:40 pm)

I dgaf anymore I guess. To persius' point of what's an extra 5 billion, I'd have to agree. But jeez, talk about a boondoggle. Did anyone see how far the cartel tunneled in 18 months to spring el chapo from prison? A: almost a mile.

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secondcareerlawyer (Dec 28, 2018 - 4:47 pm)

It is very easy to get Mexico to pay for it. Simply levy a 10% transaction tax on all wire transfers going to and from the USA and Mexico. Every single Western Union and app based program that does money transfers already has to follow AML laws. Just build it into the protocols.

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superttthero (Dec 28, 2018 - 5:42 pm)

Sounds like you're taxing people sending money to mexico, including US citizens.

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brokelawyer (Dec 28, 2018 - 5:57 pm)

The border wall is racist for the same reason that anti-terrorism laws are racist. Everything is racist. Name something and I’ll explain why it’s racist. Black holes, pickup trucks, hard work, long hair... I’m not kidding, Democrats consider all these things racist.

And Trumps just revels in it, runs with it. The two sides can’t get enough of each other. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle of idiocy.

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walkingparadox (Dec 28, 2018 - 7:15 pm)

I agree with you on racism being in everything.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/netflixs-bird-box-really-white-194100829.html

Netflix's Bird Box Is Really About How White People Don't Want to See Racism

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jmoney (Dec 28, 2018 - 10:42 pm)

Build the wall.

Legalize all drugs.

AMA.

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catwoman333 (Dec 29, 2018 - 12:03 am)

In the meantime, CA the "Sanctuary State," (of Stupid, IMO) once again helps bolster Trump's rhetoric:

https://www.thedailystar.com/cnhi_network/officials-california-officer-killed-by-man-in-us-illegally/article_3ed38d72-072b-5695-915d-a62806493de6.html

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finklebots (Dec 29, 2018 - 12:12 am)

Deport/imprison all non citizens in possession of firearms. Would that fly with the NRA?

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wutwutwut (Dec 29, 2018 - 12:15 am)

Sounds dandy to me.


Not sure of relevance to OP, though.


Please elucidate!

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finklebots (Dec 29, 2018 - 12:22 am)

Ugh, so many layers of rediculosness here. Why do we need to import Fijians to do a white man's job? Why don't we lock up gangbangers for gun violations instead of drug violations? Why don't we station national guard between fences spaced widely instead of demanding a symbolic wall that can be tunneled under? Why don't we have fitness grape picking camps for our nation of obese diabetic citizens?...

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