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A job with the federal government is the golden ticket

“Hundreds of federal employees, contractors, small-busines trickydick01/08/19
Granted, it does depend on who's in the White House. If you parlance01/08/19
either you are trolling or you have no conception of the dif williamdrayton01/09/19
The horror. It's almost as bad as the complete lack of job s debtslave1501/09/19
Having worked for federal government and private sector , fe eagleton01/09/19
While political disruptions can occasionally pose these sort 6figuremistake01/09/19
No, a lot of federal workers will not be getting back pay. I fettywap01/09/19
Well, it's up to Congress, but in the past, they have gotten 6figuremistake01/09/19
In the past they didn't have a deranged lunatic in the White therewillbeblood01/09/19
What is that statement based on? Your feelies? debtslave1501/09/19
About a third of government employees are on furlough. They flyer1401/09/19
Haha I said that on twitter and got flamed. “Most American gladigotaphdinstead01/09/19
you had a change of heart on Christmas morning though, apolo gonetomorrow01/09/19
You’re right. “F*ck these people” should replace MAGA trickydick01/09/19
At least it would be honest. You're an idiot if you think an debtslave1501/09/19
Fed jobs are great. I would trade mine for one, even right imoothereforeim01/09/19
“you cannot be fired, ever after your first year in most p trickydick01/09/19
It is not mutually exclusive to take advantage of a bad situ wearyattorney01/09/19
I'm not interested in the political discussion, but I don't 6figuremistake01/10/19
tricky is in a recession-proof field and now telling us fed imoothereforeim01/09/19
Government employees at the local level in wealthy states an wearyattorney01/09/19
Young people, learn from the mistakes of those who came befo normshow01/09/19
A regular, modest 40k Fed pension requires about one million wearyattorney01/09/19
Most people don’t have $40k pensions. The current pension downwardslope01/10/19
I love those apple to orange side to sides. Whatever a fe wearyattorney01/11/19
Theres not much to say here, Fed jobs are the best. Low stre mtbislife01/09/19
They are the second best. Take a look at teachers make in C wearyattorney01/09/19
I’m targeting those posters whose philosophy basically com trickydick01/11/19
My father in law was an untenured administrator at a directi e36m301/13/19
Yes we all know boomers had amazing pensions and ez street l gladigotaphdinstead01/13/19



trickydick (Jan 8, 2019 - 10:25 pm)

“Hundreds of federal employees, contractors, small-business owners and others are going online to raise money to help make ends meet amid a partial government shutdown prolonged by a impasse over President Trump's demand for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.”

Don’t step in no bullsh*t.



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parlance (Jan 8, 2019 - 11:53 pm)

Granted, it does depend on who's in the White House.
If you can guarantee government employees complete job security, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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williamdrayton (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:48 am)

either you are trolling or you have no conception of the difference between discretionary political appointees and career civil servants.

for the latter group, the terms and conditions of employment have nothing whatsoever to do with the occupant of the White House

while "guarantee" might be too strong a word, it's about as close as you can get in this country

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debtslave15 (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:17 am)

The horror. It's almost as bad as the complete lack of job security in the private sector. Imagine if all the affected gov workers were employed by a mega corporation (e.g. Amazon, Walmart, Apple, GM) and were all laid off. Do you think anyone would give a damn? Do you think anyone would be grandstanding on national television about the injustice of it all, how single mothers have mouths to feed, blah blah blah?

Spoiler alert: no.

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eagleton (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:24 am)

Having worked for federal government and private sector , fed government is much better unless you’re in the 300k plus a year salary range. The money in the federal government is slightly lower but often is accompanied by better health and 401k benefits and you cannot be fired, ever after your first year in most positions.

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6figuremistake (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:33 am)

While political disruptions can occasionally pose these sorts of problems, I think its unfair to say that federal jobs, for the most part, are less stable than private sectors roles. After all, the threat of layoffs is pretty much non-existent and being fired for performance is also pretty rare.

If you're just looking for a secure way to support a family, build a pension, and have a decent work/life balance, there's probably no better avenue. Salaries can also be fairly generous - particularly in higher CoL area.

Yes, if you're a particularly talented, driven individual, you're probably going to find better private sector opportunities, but if the choice is being small law hustler or securing a stable federal role, the latter definitely is preferable. Even many corporate cubicle drones could probably get a better deal with a career in a federal agency.

For many people, a good federal job really is a golden ticket. (Plus, everyone is going to get back pay when this is over.)

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fettywap (Jan 9, 2019 - 9:15 am)

No, a lot of federal workers will not be getting back pay. I would love to have a month off work if I knew I would eventually get paid.

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6figuremistake (Jan 9, 2019 - 9:26 am)

Well, it's up to Congress, but in the past, they have gotten back pay. Contractors are a different story. Not sure if I'd want a month's vacation if I'd have to borrow to meet expenses during the month - it's not like you get the interest back.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:00 am)

In the past they didn't have a deranged lunatic in the White House.

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debtslave15 (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:26 am)

What is that statement based on? Your feelies?

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flyer14 (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:20 am)

About a third of government employees are on furlough. They’ll likely get their back pay once the government reopens.

If they’re living paycheck to paycheck, they have other issues. Should have been saving money beforehand.



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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:37 am)

Haha I said that on twitter and got flamed. “Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck blah blah blah!!!” not sure if they were actually govt employees that were so stupidly out of touch with reality that they don’t know that 1) fed employee is far better off than the avg American and 2) they shouldn’t aspire to live the way the poorest and most unfortunate 51% of Americans live or whether they were just jackasses

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gonetomorrow (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:27 pm)

you had a change of heart on Christmas morning though, apologized.

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trickydick (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:15 pm)

You’re right. “F*ck these people” should replace MAGA as the 2020 campaign slogan.

“Payday would have come this week for Ms. Keller, 42, and many of the 800,000 other federal workers across the country caught up in the partial government shutdown. But as the standoff drags on, no paychecks are arriving to replenish their savings or pay down their maxed-out credit cards.

Ms. Keller’s bank balance has dipped to negative $169. She can no longer afford the $100 stipends she once sent to her son, Daniel, to help out with his college books and groceries. She does not know how she will make next month’s $1,768 rent on her apartment in Waldorf in Southern Maryland, or how she will cover the bills that automatically debit from her checking account, or even how she will gas up the car she has been trying not to drive.”



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debtslave15 (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:21 pm)

At least it would be honest. You're an idiot if you think any elected politician gives a damn about the well-being of anyone socioeconomically beneath them.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:40 am)

Fed jobs are great. I would trade mine for one, even right now. Vohod would kill for one.

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trickydick (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:19 pm)

“you cannot be fired, ever after your first year in most positions”

The arguments on this site in favor of getting a federal job generally boil down to a lack of accountability for performance and low expectations from supervisors.

This tells you a lot about the people who push for these jobs.

Interestingly, the chief complaints regarding government by posters on this site boil down to a lack of accountability by the government and low expectations from voters.

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wearyattorney (Jan 9, 2019 - 9:17 pm)

It is not mutually exclusive to take advantage of a bad situation for personal gain, while also condemning the situation at hand. Many people that go into investment banking fit this bill. No one wants to be a martyr.

When the term “accountability” means accepting terms to literal slaves in totalitarian communist countries like China or ultra corrupt states like India, “lack of accountability” means a very different thing.

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6figuremistake (Jan 10, 2019 - 8:27 am)

I'm not interested in the political discussion, but I don't think it's unreasonable for posters on this site to characterize a federal job as a very sound option for many people just seeking a normal, middle class life - particularly when the legal field is so unpredictable.

I agree that some people on this board can be a little sanguine about jobs many of us wouldn't really be able to perform. I really don't want to be a garbage man even if some municipalities are fairly generous with pay and benefits.

That said, having a role in a relaxed environment, which isn't subject to cyclical layoffs and you have reasonable pay and hours seems like a perfectly fine aspiration.

Sure, if you're a young dynamo who craves working on projects through all hours of the night or you have a thirst for bringing in those big accounts for your employer, then by all mean, ride the corporate wave and try to snag those big salaries and bonuses.

As I get older, job security, a work life balance, and the ability to be able to retire one day with reasonable financial security is a lot more appealing than hoping to strike it rich as a private sector "go-getter", though.

Nonetheless, I'm satisfied in a fairly stable corporate environment, but I could definitely see how some struggling solo attorney would strive for a federal gig.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:22 pm)

tricky is in a recession-proof field and now telling us fed jobs are no big deal. He is like Warren Buffet lecturing us little people on why iPhones are cheap.

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wearyattorney (Jan 9, 2019 - 2:35 pm)

Government employees at the local level in wealthy states and cities beat out the Feds hand over fist (at least with respect to essential services). An FBI agent makes about 1/4 what a Nassau county cop makes with overtime, and the former has to have much more education, engage in a much more difficult and boring job, and be subject to a higher degree of scrutiny.

But the general thrust is true: 99.99 percent of people contemplating private sector employment over the public sector, when the billionaires are paying off Democrats to 1) use identity politics as the vehicle to keep a perma labor surplus going (immigration and globalization) and 2) push higher taxes on the “rich” wage slaves making 150k on the coasts with no job security and retirement benefits, while also paying off the Rhinos to label anyone who even considers taxing capital gains and inheritance at the same level as labor generated income, is at this point insane or absurdly arrogant and deserves to suffer.

The only debate is what kind of government employment, for what entity, and in what location.

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normshow (Jan 9, 2019 - 3:30 pm)

Young people, learn from the mistakes of those who came before you. You may not think it is possible, but plenty of people make it to 40 years old and somehow have less than than $2000 in the bank. Forget arguing about politics, you do have the power to make sure this doesn't happen to you.

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wearyattorney (Jan 9, 2019 - 11:33 pm)

A regular, modest 40k Fed pension requires about one million in a 401k to draw over a 20 year span.

If we are talking about the real heavy duty six figure pensions cops and teachers get in blue states, it’s in excess of 5 million dollars, and that doesn’t factor in stability issues and market failures.

Good luck accumulating that amount as the economy goes more thunderdome.

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downwardslope (Jan 10, 2019 - 8:05 am)

Most people don’t have $40k pensions. The current pension is only 1% per year of service based on high three. The heavy duty pensions are the ones that don’t include contributions to social security and if they can collect, they are subject to the windfall elimination provision.

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wearyattorney (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:21 pm)

I love those apple to orange side to sides.

Whatever a fed employee gets in his or her respective position, is better than his private sector counterparts, including 40k plus pensions that attorneys will collect in some departments.

Is that the same a 45 year old retired Bergen county cop or retired teacher in Cali? No, but it’s better than the private sector.

I know what you did there though, the law school reverse suplex, eg average two things that shouldn’t be compared to prove a point. Yeah, the Janitor for a federal building doesn’t get a 40k pension, but he blows away his private sector counterpart.

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mtbislife (Jan 9, 2019 - 4:40 pm)

Theres not much to say here, Fed jobs are the best. Low stress, fewer sociopaths, work weeks in the low 40 hours which are unheard of for attorneys. No you wont make 200k+ but if you were capable of that you would have opened a business instead of going to law school. Fed jobs sure beat plastering your mug on a billboard and hoping to hit the next big PI case (you won’t).

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wearyattorney (Jan 9, 2019 - 9:18 pm)

They are the second best. Take a look at teachers make in California and the CALPERS pension pay outs, and it will give you an idea of what’s what.

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trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:36 pm)

I’m targeting those posters whose philosophy basically comes down to, “I’m tired of lazy bums leeching off taxpayer money, they should be self reliant and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps just like me...Gosh, I sure hope I land a federal job so I can be lazy and incompetent and still get paid with taxpayer money without having to worry about getting fired. Better vote for the party ranting against the bloated federal bureaucracy, too, just to play it safe.”

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e36m3 (Jan 13, 2019 - 9:11 am)

My father in law was an untenured administrator at a directional state school in New England and retired with a $125k pension. Good work if you can get it.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 13, 2019 - 9:27 am)

Yes we all know boomers had amazing pensions and ez street lives where they never once had to practice what they preach.

Those days are gone.

There are still pensions, which is something, but they are much less generous than they were

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