Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

What happens if dems and trump both never budge?

...? gladigotaphdinstead01/09/19
"So when will Fox News finally let Donald Trump's shutdown e backfromthedead01/09/19
Constitutionally, Congress passes a law to open Congress and drewprocess01/09/19
Maybe they rethink the back pay? Unfortunately, the paycheck jorgedeclaro01/09/19
If the average pay is $85,000 these b!tches need to stop whi gladigotaphdinstead01/09/19
That will cover the wall! therewillbeblood01/10/19
The government stays closed forever unless Trump decides to exnite01/09/19
It kind of depends if they stopped paying the Secret Service drewprocess01/09/19
"Thousands of the federal law enforcement officers President backfromthedead01/09/19
I'm hoping that everyone notices how unimportant most of the thirdtierlaw01/09/19
That's how it seems when they are all lumped together. I thi frida201/09/19
they aren't inspecting the airplanes or the food. I'm notici johnsmith01/10/19
In addition to the federal employees, federal contractors ar frida201/09/19
Here is a piecemeal bill that was passed today, with 8 Repub frida201/09/19
MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN -- one garage sale at a time, yea backfromthedead01/09/19
First they were told to beg their landlords/banks to do jani gladigotaphdinstead01/09/19
Trump thinks it's a valid business plan. Seriously, the s therewillbeblood01/10/19
Here are 1500 low paid government contractors, like security frida201/10/19
Here's an article about TSA families worried about losing th frida201/10/19
Nobody cares about TSA workers. gladigotaphdinstead01/10/19
Ha. Yeah, not a very sympathetic sample group. brokelawyer01/11/19
It doesn't matter if you like TSA workers. What about their frida201/11/19
At least this latest "experiment" in gridlock has proven wha catwoman33301/10/19
Trump isn't taking pay. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o- jeffm01/11/19
When foreign governments are paying big bucks to stay at you drewprocess01/11/19
Quite a few Senators and Congressmembers (71 as of now) have frida201/11/19
Thanks, interesting article. Here's one additional idea: wutwutwut01/11/19
Most senators and congress people can afford it. Start cutt dingbat01/11/19
The problem is a lot of them can't, and it seems kind of cou therewillbeblood01/11/19



gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 9, 2019 - 5:39 pm)

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backfromthedead (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:38 pm)

"So when will Fox News finally let Donald Trump's shutdown end?"
Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity got Trump's ear when it comes to the Wall thing and how to deal with Nancy and Chuck --
with all that combined brain power working together all at once, well that's just peachy, by golly
https://www.salon.com/2019/01/09/so-when-will-fox-news-finally-let-donald-trumps-shutdown-end/

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drewprocess (Jan 9, 2019 - 5:56 pm)

Constitutionally, Congress passes a law to open Congress and then overrides Trump's veto by a 2/3 majority. Or Trump is getting impeached soon anyway so Pence signs the law opening the government. More likely, however, a couple more weeks and Trump gives in but declares victory and claims the entire shutdown was fake news, and then hopes we forget it before the next election.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:10 pm)

Maybe they rethink the back pay? Unfortunately, the paychecks of 800,000 workers isn’t going to make much of a dent in the deficit. If they earned average compensation of $55,000 (which is a wild ass guess), that’s only 44 billion in savings for the entire year.

Edit: WaPo says average salary (not compensation) is 85,600. That gets us up to 68.5 billion. Still not much in the grand scheme of the United States budget.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:50 pm)

If the average pay is $85,000 these b!tches need to stop whining about living paycheck to paycheck. Sounds like they are just lame ass spendthrift bums if that’s a problem

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therewillbeblood (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:50 am)

That will cover the wall!

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exnite (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:11 pm)

The government stays closed forever unless Trump decides to make a trip to Dallas for a motorcade tour

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drewprocess (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:47 pm)

It kind of depends if they stopped paying the Secret Service and those guys decide they have had enough of Trump.

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backfromthedead (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:56 pm)

"Thousands of the federal law enforcement officers President Trump so often praises are working without pay over the holidays — at least for now — while the federal government is partially shut down over his demand for border wall funding.
Among them are thousands of Customs and Border Patrol agents and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers the president supports in protecting the southern border. Others are U.S. Secret Service agents who protect the president and his family."
that hemorrhoid on the nation's A$$ needs to be Preparation H(ed)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pay-on-hold-for-federal-law-enforcement-officers-trump-praises/

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thirdtierlaw (Jan 9, 2019 - 6:54 pm)

I'm hoping that everyone notices how unimportant most of these "nonessential" employees are and we cut all of their departments by half.

Procedurally drewprocess has the right idea.

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frida2 (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:07 pm)

That's how it seems when they are all lumped together. I think legislation to open one agency at a time would highlight what they actually do. I'm glad I don't have to fly this month. TSA isn't getting paid.

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johnsmith (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:56 am)

they aren't inspecting the airplanes or the food. I'm noticing how important these government employees are. I would prefer not to die from unsafe planes or contaminated food.

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frida2 (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:05 pm)

In addition to the federal employees, federal contractors are also being affected. Section 8 and other federal subsidies are not being paid, and landlords have to decide what to do. There will be more homeless families if/ when landlords decide to evict. It's a big mess.

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frida2 (Jan 9, 2019 - 8:22 pm)

Here is a piecemeal bill that was passed today, with 8 Republicans.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1083126196253151233?s=19

The House passed the bill to reopen Treasury and IRS, the first of four appropriations bills the chamber will vote on this week.

The vote was 240-188.

Eight Republicans joined with Democrats to pass the bill. That’s one more than number of Republicans who broke ranks last week

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backfromthedead (Jan 9, 2019 - 9:29 pm)

MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN -- one garage sale at a time, yeah baby
"Coast Guard families told they can have garage sales to cope with government shutdown"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/09/coast-guard-families-told-they-can-have-garage-sales-cope-with-government-shutdown/?

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 9, 2019 - 10:14 pm)

First they were told to beg their landlords/banks to do janitor work for them to keep their homes

Next they are told to sell their stuff

When will the government recommend they start to sell their bodies?

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therewillbeblood (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:51 am)

Trump thinks it's a valid business plan.

Seriously, the saddest Trump story I've ever heard, and the one that made me feel a little bad for him, was when that porn star hooked up with him and afterwards he tried paying her, because he couldn't imagine someone having sex with him for free.

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frida2 (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:22 am)

Here are 1500 low paid government contractors, like security guards and cafeteria workers, who aren't getting paid.

https://twitter.com/SenSherrodBrown/status/1083064594501984256?s=19

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frida2 (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:37 am)

Here's an article about TSA families worried about losing their homes. TSA workers earn around $40,000 per year.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683519210/air-travelers-and-workers-may-feel-government-shutdown-effects

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:51 am)

Nobody cares about TSA workers.

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brokelawyer (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:06 am)

Ha. Yeah, not a very sympathetic sample group.

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frida2 (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:17 am)

It doesn't matter if you like TSA workers. What about their landlords and creditors? This costs our economy 10 billion a week.

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1083711801320194050?s=19

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catwoman333 (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:45 pm)

At least this latest "experiment" in gridlock has proven what we already knew: the USA can run pretty well on autopilot....:).

But, seriously, if "ordinary" federal worker bees have to go without a paycheck, then so should ALL gov. employees--beginning with Trump, his cabinet, McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of Congress. If these clowns all had to go without a paycheck, this stupid "shutdown"/wall demand PR stunt would be over in 2 seconds. Also, the Secret Service, ATC, ICE, etc. should just flat out go on a national strike, refuse to protect trump and fly these politicians around the country etc. until THEY start doing THEIR jobs.

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jeffm (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:47 am)

Trump isn't taking pay. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

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drewprocess (Jan 11, 2019 - 11:01 am)

When foreign governments are paying big bucks to stay at your hotels to curry favor with the President, you don’t really need to take a salary but there would be a lot fewer conflicts of interest if he just took a salary than got all these back door payments.

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frida2 (Jan 11, 2019 - 8:45 am)

Quite a few Senators and Congressmembers (71 as of now) have stated they aren't taking pay during the shutdown. Unfortunately, I'm doubtful that would be enough to prevent shutdowns.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/congress-members-no-pay-shutdown/index.html

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wutwutwut (Jan 11, 2019 - 10:17 am)

Thanks, interesting article.

Here's one additional idea:

"Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, one of seven House Republicans who voted to reopen the federal government, urged all members to join him in declining his paycheck.
"Everybody ought to follow the lead that several of us have already set: Don't get paid," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Monday. "If you're in Congress, don't just delay your pay -- forfeit it, write a check back to the US Treasury. "


ETA: And others are donating their checks during the shut-down to charitable groups.

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dingbat (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:30 am)

Most senators and congress people can afford it. Start cutting off their staffers, and the whole government grinds to a halt

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therewillbeblood (Jan 11, 2019 - 10:56 am)

The problem is a lot of them can't, and it seems kind of counterproductive to make it so only the rich can/should join Congress.

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