Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

This is why the border wall is a stupid idea and a waste of money

https://www.newsweek.com/steal-bord er-wall-donald-trump-stee trickydick01/10/19
The meme pic is funny and I got a chuckle when vohod posted wutwutwut01/10/19
also, ladders exist, the tunnels under the border have alrea johnsmith01/10/19
Agree on ladders/tunnels, but LoL on "most illegal immigrant wutwutwut01/10/19
Why have prison walls and bars? People always escape. anotherjd01/10/19
Why pass gun control laws? People will just break the law an trickydick01/10/19
I agree gun restrictions would work but the second amendment anotherjd01/10/19
The second amendment is badly written and in need of updatin dingbat01/11/19
Why fund public schools in red states? The kids will grow up gladigotaphdinstead01/11/19
Yeah but when have Mexicans been known to use saws or any ot onefortheteam01/10/19
Obviously it would stop some people. How many is up to deba anotherjd01/10/19
Yes, someone with a saw can get through eventually. As you s soiled_nappies01/10/19
Would you support President AOC seizing private land in orde whatnext01/10/19
You'd have to be more specific I guess. anotherjd01/10/19
“Just say you're for an open border and stop the charade. trickydick01/10/19
I don't think it's the only alternative. I just laugh when anotherjd01/10/19
Don’t be shortsighted. $20 billion for a border wall that trickydick01/10/19
Again, you’re being blatantly dishonest and bad-faith. Opp sexbro01/11/19
The pro gun rights folks on this site use the exact same bad gladigotaphdinstead01/11/19
“He’s opposing meaningless symbolism of enforcement, whi trickydick01/11/19
“Again, you’re being blatantly dishonest and bad-faith. trickydick01/11/19
"Just say you're for an open border and stop the charade.." onefortheteam01/10/19
... exnite01/10/19
Who’s gonna pay for it? Victims of natural disasters! whatnext01/10/19
I'm surprised people are even talking about this. Why not ha frida201/11/19



trickydick (Jan 10, 2019 - 4:32 pm)

https://www.newsweek.com/steal-border-wall-donald-trump-steel-cut-dhs-1286532

NBC News reported on Thursday that a steel-slat prototype built at the direction of the Trump administration could be breached with a saw.

A photo exclusively obtained by the outlet showed that Marine Corps experts were able to cut through the prototype during testing.

An internal Customs and Border Protection report from February 2018 showed that all eight steel and concrete prototypes built under Trump's direction could be breached, according to the NBC News report.

CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio told San Diego television station KPBS, which reported on the government document in September, that the prototypes “were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible.”

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and CBP did not respond when asked by Newsweek whether Trump was aware that the prototype could be breached.



Reply
wutwutwut (Jan 10, 2019 - 4:58 pm)

The meme pic is funny and I got a chuckle when vohod posted the story earlier, but gets me wondering what exactly did they use to cut through it with? Obvs not a "chainsaw".

Saws-all with carbide? How many blades, and how long did it take?

Reply
johnsmith (Jan 10, 2019 - 5:26 pm)

also, ladders exist, the tunnels under the border have already been dug, most illegal immigrants come here by airplane, and illegal immigration is at an all time low and has been for years.

Reply
wutwutwut (Jan 10, 2019 - 5:38 pm)

Agree on ladders/tunnels, but LoL on "most illegal immigrants come here by airplane"; just because that canard's been kicked around for a long time but has little backing.

Do some 40% of the people here illegally represent people who originally entered legally (visa overstays)? Sure, at least as of this 2006 PEW report. And everyone else seems to be basing their claims on this same report.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/

But a lot of the overstays come by land, originally entering legally from Mexico or Central America.

Here's politifact's take on it from 2015:

"Since two-thirds of the overstays come from places other than Mexico and Central America, that would mean that two-thirds of the overstay population (the 40 percent figure) came by air, or about 27 percent."


But your larger point remains: A big part of our illegal resident issue - upwards of 40% - is not related to illegal Southern border crossings.

Reply
anotherjd (Jan 10, 2019 - 5:37 pm)

Why have prison walls and bars? People always escape.

Reply
trickydick (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:44 pm)

Why pass gun control laws? People will just break the law and get them illegally.

Reply
anotherjd (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:31 pm)

I agree gun restrictions would work but the second amendment prevents those kinds of laws. I don't think there is a similar constitutional right to cross the border at will.

Reply
dingbat (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:36 am)

The second amendment is badly written and in need of updating.

Supreme Court precedent abhors absolutes and allows reasonable restrictions (see jurisprudence re 4th amendment in particular)

Reply
gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:57 am)

Why fund public schools in red states? The kids will grow up stupid anyways.

Reply
onefortheteam (Jan 10, 2019 - 6:55 pm)

Yeah but when have Mexicans been known to use saws or any other high powered landscaping equipment?

Reply
anotherjd (Jan 10, 2019 - 7:30 pm)

Obviously it would stop some people. How many is up to debate but to pretend it wouldn't stop anyone is stupid. I keep my door locked at night even though I'm sure someone with a saw can easily get through.

Just say you're for an open border and stop the charade.

Reply
soiled_nappies (Jan 10, 2019 - 7:49 pm)

Yes, someone with a saw can get through eventually. As you say, a wall only slows people down.

So to really stop people you will need drones, sensors, monitoring and response stations, etc. The idea that this can be done for $6 billion is laughable. It’s never going to work as trump is saying.
The wall is a symbol, a talismanic object for trump’s base.

Reply
whatnext (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:46 pm)

Would you support President AOC seizing private land in order to fight climate change like you support the seizure of private land that may or may not stop “some” people?

Reply
anotherjd (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:33 pm)

You'd have to be more specific I guess.

Reply
trickydick (Jan 10, 2019 - 9:47 pm)

“Just say you're for an open border and stop the charade.”

Stop with the straw man already. Democrats and Republicans have spent billions of dollars on border security over the decades. There are already natural and artificial barriers to entry along the border. Stop pretending that the only alternative to funding a wall is an open border.

Reply
anotherjd (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:38 pm)

I don't think it's the only alternative. I just laugh when people talk about the cost as a factor considering how much money our government routinely wastes. I guess it's about "morality " like Pelosi says. Which is a complete joke coming from an entrenched member of the status quo living in extreme wealth on the backs of taxpayers. You people really are fools.

Reply
trickydick (Jan 10, 2019 - 11:13 pm)

Don’t be shortsighted. $20 billion for a border wall that is nearly impenetrable makes sense. $20 billion for a 10 foot wall that is overcome by an 11 foot ladder is sheer stupidity. The wall is nothing more than a symbol.

Reply
sexbro (Jan 11, 2019 - 12:14 pm)

Again, you’re being blatantly dishonest and bad-faith. Opposing meaningful enforcement is supporting de facto open borders. At least be honest like johnsmith and others here and admit that’s what you support.

Reply
gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 11, 2019 - 1:54 pm)

The pro gun rights folks on this site use the exact same bad faith sort of logic and reasoning to defend our rights to own guns.

He’s not opposing meaningful enforcement. He’s opposing meaningless symbolism of enforcement, which is what the wall would be.

Reply
trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:25 pm)

“He’s opposing meaningless symbolism of enforcement, which is what the wall would be.”

180

Reply
trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:24 pm)

“Again, you’re being blatantly dishonest and bad-faith.”

All your arguments are predicated on two demonstrably false premises. 1) There are no measures in place to deter illegal border crossings. 2) Building a wall across the entire border will do more to curb illegal immigration than current measures already in place.

“Opposing meaningful enforcement is supporting de facto open borders.”

All the versions of the wall Trump has proposed can be breached just as easily as the current physical barriers already in place. You have no reason to believe that building Trump’s wall will actually significantly reduce illegal immigration. Building this wall will however cost billions of dollars. It is not worthwhile to spend so much money on a project that will do almost nothing to alter the current state of affairs on the border.

“At least be honest like johnsmith and others here and admit that’s what you support.”

I support hiring more border patrol agents, more ICE agents, spending more money on surveillance equipment along the border, and putting up physical barriers along those portions of the border with the highest concentrations of illegal crossings (most of those areas already have walls and fences). How can I be in favor of open borders if I support all those measures?

Reply
onefortheteam (Jan 10, 2019 - 11:54 pm)

"Just say you're for an open border and stop the charade.."


It's not so much that I object to a wall as much as I think it's f*cking retarded to spend 20 billion on something that can be compromised by a 50 dollar saw that any migrant field hand worth his salt already knows how to operate.

Reply
exnite (Jan 10, 2019 - 7:56 pm)

...



Reply
whatnext (Jan 10, 2019 - 10:09 pm)

Who’s gonna pay for it?

Victims of natural disasters!

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1083505551902941185

Reply
frida2 (Jan 11, 2019 - 12:00 am)

I'm surprised people are even talking about this. Why not have a thread about building a trump tower on the Moon? Just as likely. If this was going to happen, and if it was an actual possibility or priority of anyone in power, it would have happened in the first two years of the trump presidency.

Reply
Post a message in this thread