Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Why aren't all federal employees working without pay?

So, why are some people 'forced' to do it and complying whil superttthero01/11/19
I could be wrong, but I believe it has to do with them being walkingparadox01/11/19
In any event, I don’t get this. I know a contracting offi dupednontraditional01/11/19
"I understand that there can be stress in people not getting therewillbeblood01/11/19
How is that a question lol. Step up your game TWBB, from one theimmigrant01/12/19
"I have a 6 month savings, I prepared for this, to tell me t wutwutwut01/11/19
Not sure. I've been getting emails from the federal court th fettywap01/11/19
I skimmed one of those federal court emails. It sounded lik persius01/11/19
Maybe, but it's kinda hasty of you to assume that. She's pre cowgod01/11/19
Unfortunately, it looks like she botched an easy layup. She walkingparadox01/11/19
The problem is maybe politically savvy (but apparently not s persius01/11/19
You are right. Still, it would have been an easy play for he walkingparadox01/11/19
The problem is she actually needs that money to make rent, s therewillbeblood01/11/19
How? She is moving from one of the highest COL cities in th walkingparadox01/11/19
All the better that she can’t pay her bills and doesn’t persius01/11/19
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi cs/politics-news/ocasio-c walkingparadox01/11/19
"Have some integrity", the congresswoman tweeted." Haha wutwutwut01/11/19
On your different note: "While there is no official tally wutwutwut01/11/19
Hey she’s gotta make rent exnite01/12/19
Back pay isn't guaranteed. therewillbeblood01/11/19
Some parts of the government have already been funded. Peop bittersweet01/11/19
I think that is why they always have (previously) to my know walkingparadox01/11/19



superttthero (Jan 11, 2019 - 11:32 am)

So, why are some people 'forced' to do it and complying while others are not?

I assume the Fed isn't forcing the unpaid essential workers to come to work at gun point, it's probably part of the employment agreement that in the event of a shut down, they must come and will be paid later, right?

If that's the case, why isn't this the clause included in all government workers? I'd be pretty pissed if I were like a guy with a stressful job putting in my 40, waiting weeks to get paid, meanwhile some other bozo basically gets back pay for not working and staying home all this time--a vacation.

Edit: I understand that there can be stress in people not getting paid even if sitting at home, but I have a 6 month savings, I prepared for this, to tell me that others just get paid to not work would piss me off.

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:08 pm)

I could be wrong, but I believe it has to do with them being deemed essential due to their contracts or positions, and when they sign on they agree to those terms. Sort of like how some agencies aren't allowed to strike (or maybe none can, I'm not entirely sure on that one).

As far as essential vs non-essential getting a vacation; that is basically what happens every time. If you are a border patrol agent you are still working in the brush. If you are the HR lady you are at home. When you come back, you get paid, and they get paid. It isn't fair, but that is my (limited) understanding of that situation.

My understanding is that they were funded through today. If the gov is shutdown through the 15th for example, they would be guaranteed to be paid at the minimum for the time worked up to today. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be nervous, but all those stories about people not getting paid are BS. This is the first check they would actually be missing.

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dupednontraditional (Jan 11, 2019 - 9:04 pm)

In any event, I don’t get this. I know a contracting officer who is furloughed, but a civil engineer in the same office who has to work without pay. But the engineer can’t formally administer the contract, see furloughed contracting officer, above.

Goes to show you who is ultimately “essential” and who is ultimately administrative bloat, I guess. One person has to work for a living without pay, the other gets a random vacation (with some short term difficulty, admittedly).

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therewillbeblood (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:53 pm)

"I understand that there can be stress in people not getting paid even if sitting at home, but I have a 6 month savings,"

Not everyone is you?

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theimmigrant (Jan 12, 2019 - 3:22 pm)

How is that a question lol. Step up your game TWBB, from one Liberal to another.

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wutwutwut (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:31 pm)

"I have a 6 month savings, I prepared for this, to tell me that others just get paid to not work would piss me off"


Very good for you (earnest), and anyone else who has at least 6 months float.

But a lot of people don't do this.

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fettywap (Jan 11, 2019 - 1:31 pm)

Not sure. I've been getting emails from the federal court that they're using reserve funds I think. The courts pretty much fund themselves.

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persius (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:11 pm)

I skimmed one of those federal court emails. It sounded like the judges signed orders that they are going to be paying themselves with filing fees or something like that.

Cortez says congress shouldn’t get paid but I am sure will cash her check.

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cowgod (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:44 pm)

Maybe, but it's kinda hasty of you to assume that. She's pretty politically savvy; it would be a strong move for her not to take her salary while all of her independently wealthy, multi-millionaire colleagues in Congress are still getting theirs.

But of course "gggrrrowwwr libruls r hippocrits always!"

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:03 pm)

Unfortunately, it looks like she botched an easy layup. She could have even said, "While I can't turn down the payments, I refuse to touch that money until government workers are being paid."

This was her easy moment to show how she is for the people and different than all the other Congress members.


https://nypost.com/2019/01/03/ocasio-cortez-says-gotta-run-when-asked-about-shutdown-pay/

WASHINGTON – Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez still won’t say whether she’s giving up her salary during the partial government shutdown — a move she previously advocated for all lawmakers.

“I’ve gotta run!” Ocasio-Cortez told The Post when asked the question Thursday on Capitol Hill.

She then scampered down a crowded hallway to get in line for her mock swearing-in with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

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persius (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:29 pm)

The problem is maybe politically savvy (but apparently not savvy enough) vs real.

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:34 pm)

You are right. Still, it would have been an easy play for her. Say no she wasn't accepting the pay. Show herself going to AMSCOT for a cash advance and post it online. Do the whole, "solidarity with the working class" shtick, easy political capital and publicity.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:53 pm)

The problem is she actually needs that money to make rent, so probably not a great play.

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:00 pm)

How? She is moving from one of the highest COL cities in the US. She knows she is getting a fat paycheck. Borrow money from friends and fam on the side but go out and make a big deal about going to cash advance like the "working folk" and get some credibility compared to all the other people she says were doing it wrong.

She clamored a month ago how Congress shouldn't be paid, and this was an easy put your money where your mouth is situation with no long term repercussions for her financially.

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persius (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:18 pm)

All the better that she can’t pay her bills and doesn’t cash the checks. Trump forgoes his salary but who cares unless he is actually couch surfing for the cause.

From a real perspective it seems like it was a no brainer if she were passionate about what she was saying and they weren’t just empty words.

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:27 pm)

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/

In a tweet on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez wrote, “Next time we have a [government] shutdown, Congressional salaries should be furloughed as well. It’s completely unacceptable that members of Congress can force a government shutdown on partisan lines & then have Congressional salaries exempt from that decision. Have some integrity.” -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 22, 2018


On a different note, weren't there a few people in Congress who would sleep in their office when they first got into office or was that just rumors?

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wutwutwut (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

"Have some integrity", the congresswoman tweeted."


Haha.

But, in her defense, she did say NEXT TIME there's a shutdown.

So she wasn't talking about this time.

She never actually said Mexico was going to write out a check.

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wutwutwut (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:44 pm)

On your different note:

"While there is no official tally of the number of House hobos who turn their offices into makeshift bedrooms, interviews with members and several Post stakeouts of the congressional gym — where the live-in lawmakers shower — put the estimate at around 100 representatives, or more than one-fifth of the governing body. Publicly, about 50 members have ‘fessed up to it."

(Most who agreed to be interviewed complained the problem was trying to cover the cost of 2 residences - DC and back home. I guess for younger Members who do not own homes in the home city (only rented and got out of the lease), this would not be so much of a problem.)

https://nypost.com/2018/05/01/these-politicians-are-sleeping-in-their-dc-offices-to-save-money/

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exnite (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:49 am)

Hey she’s gotta make rent

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therewillbeblood (Jan 11, 2019 - 2:24 pm)

Back pay isn't guaranteed.

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bittersweet (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:42 pm)

Some parts of the government have already been funded. People who work for those entities are not affected.

For those government entities that are affected, there are two types of employees, essential and non-essential. The essentials are the things that the govt believes HAS to function. Those people are required to work whether their pay has been funded or not.

In theory, they will be paid later. That will require separate legislation. The legislation may pay those who had to work and those who did not.

Though if they don't fund the back pay, will the Fed's be in violation of the 13th Am.?

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:02 pm)

I think that is why they always have (previously) to my knowledge done back pay. They don't want to deal with the legal issues from the unions etc.

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