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Andy Murray was comically overrated

Never knew why the F he was in the "Big 4" with Federer, Nov batman01/11/19
Was he ever really considered in that class? Certainly great anotherjd01/11/19
Never heard him in that class. He is a top player that is pa superttthero01/11/19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_F our_(tennis) batman01/11/19
That's wild and asinine. Silly media. superttthero01/12/19
It was bizarre, I'm not sure why the media wanted to force t batman01/12/19
Yeah, it's kind of funny he has as many GSs as Stan the Man, whatnext01/11/19
Never heard of him, but I don’t follow tennis. When I look jorgedeclaro01/11/19
Andy Roddick retired like 10 years ago after having his soul batman01/11/19
Lol I remember that match. 16-14 in fifth set at Wimbledon i anotherjd01/11/19
Yea, Federer basically owned up everybody of his generation batman01/11/19
Just looking at Wikipedia those three are clearly the best t jorgedeclaro01/11/19
A smattering? He won every major title including multiple US anotherjd01/11/19
Lol, McEnroe and those old school wooden racket bros were ha batman01/11/19
Put a wooden racket in Nadal's hand against prime Borg see w anotherjd01/12/19
I'm pretty sure he'd whoop that ass batman01/12/19
Nadal and Djoker would definitely suffer with the wooden rac whatnext01/12/19
You couldn't just count on your serve nor could you just bla anotherjd01/12/19
Both are capable of it to be sure, but yeah, Djoker couldn†whatnext01/12/19
Dude, serve and volley was a super popular style in those ol batman01/12/19
Forget the rackets. Just watch old footage of those players batman01/12/19
Andre has a huge feather in his cap imo. He pulled off the batman01/11/19
Well Pete has several things going against him. He was way batman01/11/19
I will also say this. Outside of clay court, any player of batman01/11/19
So is Bill Murray. Groundhog Day is one of the best of all t normshow01/11/19
I might not know tennis, but this is mularky. Ghostbusters? jorgedeclaro01/11/19
Never heard of this Andy Murray guy so your claim seems dubi gladigotaphdinstead01/12/19
He survived this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dun blane_ doublefriedchicken01/12/19
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I've never heard of this comedian. wutwutwut01/12/19



batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:49 pm)

Never knew why the F he was in the "Big 4" with Federer, Novak, and Nadal. Big 3 sounds better anyways.

Murray's going to retire with 3 GS wins. The 3 guys above have won 3 GSs in ONE year. Federer and Novak have done it multiple times.

Hell Stan Wawrinka has 3 GS wins himself.

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anotherjd (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:52 pm)

Was he ever really considered in that class? Certainly great but not an all timer.

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superttthero (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:55 pm)

Never heard him in that class. He is a top player that is particularly memorable for his Wimbledon win.

Its newsworthy but I dont think anyone puts him close to the big 3 of the last 10 years.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:08 pm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_(tennis)

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superttthero (Jan 12, 2019 - 7:54 am)

That's wild and asinine.

Silly media.

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batman (Jan 12, 2019 - 4:31 pm)

It was bizarre, I'm not sure why the media wanted to force this so much. Big 3 sounds just as cool if not cooler than Big 4. Federer and Nadal's celebrity and popularity far exceeded Andy's, so it's not like they needed that angle either.

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whatnext (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:55 pm)

Yeah, it's kind of funny he has as many GSs as Stan the Man, but Murray has WAY more Masters wins.

He was not close to the other three in terms of majors, but 2 gold medals (at consecutive Olympics), 3 GS, loads of Masters, YE #1...a career he can be very happy with and a slam dunk HOFer unlike some of the geeks that get in these days. He was JUST starting to put it all together when the injury problems started. I believe he'd be at 5 majors right now if he hadn't gotten hurt and in line to pick up several more.

He's a nice bloke, too.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:06 pm)

Never heard of him, but I don’t follow tennis. When I looked this up I thought it was the guy who served really hard but couldn’t do anything else. Apparently that’s Andy Roddick.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:07 pm)

Andy Roddick retired like 10 years ago after having his soul stolen by Roger Federer.

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anotherjd (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:11 pm)

Lol I remember that match. 16-14 in fifth set at Wimbledon in 2009. At least Roddick got that one slam.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:12 pm)

Yea, Federer basically owned up everybody of his generation (not surprising since he does have 20 GS wins after all)

Nadal and Novak are like 4-5 years younger, which is basically a full generation in tennis terms.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:16 pm)

Just looking at Wikipedia those three are clearly the best tennis players of all time. Pete Sampras May be tied with Djokovic as third in overall grand slams, but he didn’t have to play against Federer and Nadal while he was winning titles. Andre Agassi won only a smattering of events throughout Sampras’ run.

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anotherjd (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:32 pm)

A smattering? He won every major title including multiple US Opens and Australian Opens. Andre one of the best to ever play and his autobiography is fascinating.

On his best day I'd put him up against anyone. Sampras and Federer the two best I ever saw.

Hard to say how McEnroe would have done against the big hitters today.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 7:25 pm)

Lol, McEnroe and those old school wooden racket bros were hardly athletes. None of the tennis players really started looking and moving like actual athletes until the Sampras/ Agassi era.

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anotherjd (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:21 am)

Put a wooden racket in Nadal's hand against prime Borg see what happens.

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batman (Jan 12, 2019 - 11:19 am)

I'm pretty sure he'd whoop that ass

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whatnext (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:21 pm)

Nadal and Djoker would definitely suffer with the wooden rackets and smaller head sizes. They generate so much power and movement from the 100 sq inch rackets. Talented enough to be successful in every era of course, but their games would definitely suffer some.

Federer would be better suited to those days because for most of his career he used a significantly smaller racket and only moved up because he was getting too old to rely on his guile and footwork.

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anotherjd (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:30 pm)

You couldn't just count on your serve nor could you just blast winners from the baseline you had to have some creativity in those days. Those guys were artists.

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whatnext (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:44 pm)

Both are capable of it to be sure, but yeah, Djoker couldn’t hang out on the baseline firing forehands all over the place waiting for an opponent to make an error.

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batman (Jan 12, 2019 - 4:25 pm)

Dude, serve and volley was a super popular style in those old wooden racket days.

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batman (Jan 12, 2019 - 4:28 pm)

Forget the rackets. Just watch old footage of those players and see how they move. They just aren't world-class athletes the way Nadal or Novak is. Their court coverage is freaking insane.

They would adjust and dominate anyone from that era.

It's basically like saying James Harden wouldn't dominate the NBA of George Mikan's time or whatever cause of no 3-point line. The athletes that play tennis today are just so superior.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 7:32 pm)

Andre has a huge feather in his cap imo. He pulled off the career GS in an era when the game still favored specialists depending on court surface. It was before surfaces (even Wimby) were slowed to favor more rallies.

And he did it during a time when the competition was top notch and resembled actual athletes instead of the pudgy wooden racket dudes of yesteryear. I think that's really impressive and gets overlooked too often.

I don't think I could pick one guy that I would bet the house on no matter what cause of court surface differences and different eras.

Fast grass like the old days, I'd probably want Federer in a nose over Sampras.
Indoor HC in any era I want Federer
Clay obviously Nadal
Any other surface (including "modern" grass) I want Novak.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 7:23 pm)

Well Pete has several things going against him. He was way too much of a fast court specialist (did he even make the finals of the French?). Never finished the career grand slam. You can argue Roger only has 1 French win (and never beat Nadal), but otoh he does have that win and if it weren't for literally the greatest clay court player of all time, Roger would probably have 3-4 French wins too.

Comparisons will be moot in a while anyways cause Novak will easily win 2-3 more GSs if not more.

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batman (Jan 11, 2019 - 7:35 pm)

I will also say this. Outside of clay court, any player of any era on any surface of any era ain't beating early 2017 Roger Federer. That 36 year old Federer was the best tennis player God could create.

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normshow (Jan 11, 2019 - 10:39 pm)

So is Bill Murray. Groundhog Day is one of the best of all time, but he gets name-dropped for being awesome way more than seems appropriate.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 11, 2019 - 11:11 pm)

I might not know tennis, but this is mularky. Ghostbusters? Caddy shack? Kingpin? Life Acquatic? Stripes? Come on.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 12, 2019 - 8:40 am)

Never heard of this Andy Murray guy so your claim seems dubious. Tracy Morgan. That’s a comically overrated guy.

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doublefriedchicken (Jan 12, 2019 - 11:17 am)

He survived this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

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wutwutwut (Jan 12, 2019 - 3:40 pm)

double

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wutwutwut (Jan 12, 2019 - 3:40 pm)

I've never heard of this comedian.

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