Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Do you believe Northam?

"When my staff showed me the photo in question yesterday, I wutwutwut02/05/19
Good points, but not sure it makes much difference. His pre toooldtocare02/05/19
Yeah, I saw the moonwalk comment and his deer/headlight star wutwutwut02/05/19
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ racist-yearbook-photo-unn wutwutwut02/05/19
“There is no way anyone would tolerate someone going to a jorgedeclaro02/05/19
"Someone whose pants match other photos in the yearbook" wutwutwut02/05/19
Not sure what it is either but it’s clear that is Northam jorgedeclaro02/05/19
What I find odd about this incident is that even in the mid massivemissive02/05/19
Wasn't he at a Southern School? Things were different then, trijocker02/05/19
I "believe" Northam--is a TYPICAL, self-serving politician w catwoman33302/06/19
wutwutwut (Feb 5, 2019 - 1:47 pm)

"When my staff showed me the photo in question yesterday, I was seeing it for the first time. I did not purchase the yearbook and I was unaware of what was on my page," Northam told reporters. "When I was confronted with the images yesterday, I was appalled that they appeared on my page but I believe then and now that I am not either of the people in that photo."



If what he says above (from Saturday, I believe) is true, then why on Friday did he say he was one of the guys in the pic?


If it is true, then the pic belongs on someone else's page. Why haven't they stepped forward?
[edit, well, okay, if true this other person is probably feeling like they dodged a bullet right about now, unless they have no public life and wouldn't care.]


As for the potential for a pic being on the wrong page, sure. All of my yearbooks are riddled with serious errors, wrong names under pictures, pics on wrong pages, etc. One year the names of all the boys on the wrestling team were listed under the girls' bball photo. Some of these were the student compilers' fault, but most were the fault of the printing company.


So I believe mistakes like this can happen. But why the heck would he `fess up if it wasn't him?

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toooldtocare (Feb 5, 2019 - 2:40 pm)

Good points, but not sure it makes much difference. His press conference last week was an absolute disaster in form, tone, and substance. At one point, in response to a reporter's question about him dressing up like Michael Jackson, the reporter asked if Northam would moonwalk; Northam paused long enough that it appears he was looking for a place to do just that until his wife, who was standing behind him, interrupted him. It was really, really strange.
Not sure of the timing, but he'll be gone soon.

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wutwutwut (Feb 5, 2019 - 3:02 pm)

Yeah, I saw the moonwalk comment and his deer/headlight stare. His wife actually helped save him a bit by prompting him to answer, "In appropriate circumstances".

Strangely enough, CNN is (over more than one story I read) reporting that her prompt was instead: "inappropriate circumstances".

Haha.

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wutwutwut (Feb 5, 2019 - 2:50 pm)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/racist-yearbook-photo-unnoticed-northam-medical-school


TPM seems to be pulling for Northam now. Some excerpts:

The racist yearbook photo ...may have been mistakenly placed on his profile page — but even if it were put there intentionally, it’s unlikely that many students would have noticed, according to alumni who put together the publication or submitted pictures to it 35 years ago.

Giac Chan Nguyen-Tan... remembers that a page he laid out for the ... yearbook was changed without his knowledge before publication. “Could (the offensive photo) have been slipped in there? Absolutely,” he said.

[But] Fellow yearbook staffer Dr. William Elwood disagrees... unlikely that someone could have pulled a prank because a limited number of people had keys to the yearbook room.

... it’s possible not many noticed what was in the yearbook; few students ...took the publication very seriously — or even looked at it — after it was published, several classmates said. ... Northam and his former roommate, Dr. John “Rob” Marsh, rushed off to the military immediately after graduation. Others embarked on their residencies. “The yearbook comes out in the fall when you’re gone,” said Marsh, who roomed with Northam for two years before graduating in 1983. ...

Retired [black] physician and former Northam classmate Walt Broadnax... said he believes Northam’s claim that he wasn’t in that photo. “There is no way anyone would tolerate someone going to a party in blackface,” said Broadnax, 60, a retired physician. “If I had known about it then, it would have been an issue.”

Other students ... said they don’t remember a racist culture at the medical school... minority students ... described an inclusive, even progressive, setting for 1984.

Nguyen-Tan, who said he also doesn’t believe it’s Northam in the photo, said he never saw anyone in blackface or a KKK robe at the school.

Born in Vietnam, he said he is well acquainted with racism and that Northam is “the furthest thing he can be from someone who is a racist or bigot.”

[However, Dr.] Elwood said he doesn’t recall seeing any racist photos during the layout process for the publication... but “It looked like it was done at a Halloween party,” he said. “The political and social climate of this country is far different than it was 35 years ago.”

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 5, 2019 - 3:03 pm)

“There is no way anyone would tolerate someone going to a party in blackface,” said Broadnax, 60, a retired physician. “If I had known about it then, it would have been an issue.”

This is obviously untrue, as someone did indeed wear blackface to a party at the school. Someone whose pants match other photos in the yearbook. And Northam admitted to blackfacing at a different event in the same time frame.

It’s not impossible that it’s a mistake, but in the grand scheme of things it’s unlikely. It was a different time than now. Heck, I remember in the 2000s a fraternity held a fried chicken and 40s party for Martin Luther King Jr. and that house had at least a half dozen minorities in it but was still heavy majority white. Kids + being edgy + alcohol = bad decision making. Toss in 35 years of difference in societal norms and it’s not that hard to see how this happened or that Northam could have done it without being a racist bigot in his heart.

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wutwutwut (Feb 5, 2019 - 3:59 pm)

"Someone whose pants match other photos in the yearbook"

Thanks, I haven't seen the other photos. So Dr. Broadnax is wrong on this point (or the photos were take at places other than a school party).

As for the Michael Jackson look- and dance-alike contest, Northam said it was in San Antonio so I doubt Dr. Broadnax could speak to that.


Edit: Whoa, newsflash on the plaid pants thing - there are other photos in the yearbook of a kid with a big blonde busy hairdo wearing those pants. In a photo with Northam. And Northam's ~ 3 inches taller than this kid.


https://cdn.newspunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/northam-plaid-pants-.jpg


Not sure what "newspunch" is or if it is reliable yet.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 5, 2019 - 4:54 pm)

Not sure what it is either but it’s clear that is Northam on the left. I know photo shop is good but that would be incredibly impressive to do a spot-on Young Ralph Northam and stick him into a picture just for the sake of showing the same pants. Cost/benefit says it’s real.

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massivemissive (Feb 5, 2019 - 3:51 pm)

What I find odd about this incident is that even in the mid 1980s, it was considered taboo to dress in blackface and as a kkk member.

How on earth did this yearbook get published?

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trijocker (Feb 5, 2019 - 5:30 pm)

Wasn't he at a Southern School?
Things were different then, even 38 years ago.
And no I don't believe he doesn't remember anything about it, he just got caught.

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catwoman333 (Feb 6, 2019 - 3:29 am)

I "believe" Northam--is a TYPICAL, self-serving politician who, caught with his ass in the wringer, will STILL do/say just about ANYTHING--no matter how absurd-sounding--in a lame effort to fool the public so he can remain in power.

The REAL issue is not the validity (or not) of any "explanation" or "apology" but the ridiculous appearance of EVER-CHANGING explanations. I don't think voters really care about politicians' "explanations" as much as their credibility, reputation for DIRECTLY and QUICKLY telling the truth. Voters are very (IMO rightfully) skeptical of pols who keep adopting a "Oh...let's just throw a lot of sh!!-balls (different statements) against the wall and see which pile of it sticks best (fools voters)" as if voters are just pollsters in a focus group testing the latest BS line.

Eliz. Warren also has the same problem with the "Indian" issue. And the same evasive, silly responses also sank Hillary as she bumbled her way through explaining that public fainting spell/FBI investigation, not to mention her angry "vast rightwing conspiracy" response to rumors of Bill's cheating.

As for Northam, he clearly shot his credibility to hell by doing a complete about-face the day after his (first?) apology. And that Michael Jackson story was not only bizarre, but pretty stupid: he needlessly inspired God knows how many GOP opposition researchers and reporters to start digging to find a [ANOTHER] embarrassing picture of him in blackface at that San Antonio party to have to explain.

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