Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Second accuser of VA Lieutenant Governor Fairfax

https://www.thedailybeast.com/virgi nia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax wutwutwut02/08/19
OMG!! Has Fairfax dusted off the old "It's a vast right-wing catwoman33302/08/19
These are relatively credible accusations. Certainly more anotherjd02/08/19
Well, so far as I know, the first accuser is just she/he sai wutwutwut02/08/19
Politically, it would seem credible enough to destroy this anotherjd02/08/19
Something about “Duke” and “rape” though. persius02/08/19
Im certainly skeptical of these kinds of charges but Democra anotherjd02/08/19
Contemporaneous telling other people is still pretty scant c jorgedeclaro02/08/19
A contemparanous statement would be inadmissible I think unl anotherjd02/08/19
Unless you’re a prosecutor. In which case everything that jorgedeclaro02/08/19
This is a big old mess. One idea I've seen: Fairfax r frida202/08/19
The internet’s say that Virginia is a special election sta jorgedeclaro02/08/19
Except Warner wants to be POTUS, not governor. Wexton could catwoman33302/08/19
At least he’s not being shielded by hacks, but short and l whatnext02/08/19
Democrats have brought this on themselves embracing the "bel anotherjd02/08/19
I meant to write "it's a very bad idea for Democrats to...", whatnext02/08/19
I think it is ok to call for resignation, but not "too" stro frida202/08/19
The governor looks like an angel by comparison anotherjd02/08/19
Sexual assault in the 2000s is worse than blackface in the 1 frida202/08/19
Agreed but the Constitution doesn't provide for any recall. catwoman33302/08/19
Right, but this is about a governor and some states do provi frida202/08/19
VA does not allow recall of the governor. Nor can we recall catwoman33302/08/19
Pence is a ridiculous wind-up Republican doll. I don't think frida202/08/19
So...in your judgment, a blithering, uncontrollable, geriatr catwoman33302/08/19
I'm afraid so. Pence does not, and never will, have a cult f frida202/08/19
Do people still give their savings to televangelists? Lol anotherjd02/09/19
"Trump supporter spreads fake news about NC governor, yearbo backfromthedead02/08/19
The stench of desperation is strong on this one. Or it is wutwutwut02/08/19
The legislature is vowing to introduce articles of impeachme jorgedeclaro02/09/19
Seems like stupid posturing. What does VA const permit impe wutwutwut02/09/19
The West Virginia interim Supreme Court decided the legislat jorgedeclaro02/09/19



wutwutwut (Feb 8, 2019 - 4:29 pm)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-second-woman


"Meredith Watson claims Fairfax raped her in 2000, when they were both students at Duke University. The alleged attack was characterized as “premeditated and aggressive.”"


This is the second coming.

In this case, there is allegedly contemporaneous corroboration - she told friends and classmates, and they allegedly have agreed that she told them about it.


How quickly will prominent democrats fall over themselves deciding maybe that Governor Northam "deserves a chance to amend his relationship with Viriginians"???


It's notable that NC does not have a SOL for rape.

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catwoman333 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:47 pm)

OMG!! Has Fairfax dusted off the old "It's a vast right-wing conspiracy!!" (Hillary) or "This is a high-tech lynching" (Clarence Thomas) lines yet??

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 4:39 pm)

These are relatively credible accusations. Certainly more than the one against Kavenaugh.

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wutwutwut (Feb 8, 2019 - 4:44 pm)

Well, so far as I know, the first accuser is just she/he said, right? I.e., no one able to vouch for her having told them? (Edit: until 2017 time frame) She personally seems to have a lot of credibility, though, given she's a lifelong active-in-politics democrat, etc. and her position. And doesn't seem to be at all flaky like Ms. Blasey-Ford.


This second accuser - if she really does have people who can attest to what she told them happened in 2000 - may be the more credible. But there's no details on who she is from a personal credibility standpoint.

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 4:54 pm)

Politically, it would seem credible enough to destroy this guy. Democrats will look hopelessly stupid rallying around him.

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persius (Feb 8, 2019 - 5:04 pm)

Something about “Duke” and “rape” though.

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 5:12 pm)

Im certainly skeptical of these kinds of charges but Democrats need to hold themselves to their own standard which is pretty much believe all accusers.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 8, 2019 - 5:12 pm)

Contemporaneous telling other people is still pretty scant corroboration. Yeah it’s more than Kavanaugh, but that’s a lousy standard. 18 years of non-reporting doesn’t get anyone but Bill cosby convicted.

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 5:15 pm)

A contemparanous statement would be inadmissible I think unless someone accused the victim of fabricating the allegation.

In the real world people want contemporary statements.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:29 pm)

Unless you’re a prosecutor. In which case everything that’s ever happened is an excited utterance.

It can also come in not for the truth of the matter asserted, but to establish when the person began asserting an assault occurred.

It’s corroboration that she believed an assault happened at the time. That’s not corroboration of the event itself.

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:06 pm)

This is a big old mess. One idea I've seen:


Fairfax resigns. Northam appoints Mark Warner as Lt. Gov. Northam resigns. Warner becomes governor. Warner appoints Jennifer Wexton to his Senate seat.

So many steps.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:32 pm)

The internet’s say that Virginia is a special election state when it comes to vacant senate seats. So Warner would not get to appoint.

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catwoman333 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:51 pm)

Except Warner wants to be POTUS, not governor. Wexton could become gov. After a few months on Capitol Hill, it should now be very painfully apparent to her how little real power she has as only one out of 435 House members, esp. with a Senate and WH dominated by the GOP.

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whatnext (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:13 pm)

At least he’s not being shielded by hacks, but short and long term it’s a very bad idea to demand resignation before an investigation can be done. You can justify voting no on Kavanaugh because the judiciary didn’t call more witnesses to testify under oath. And the Fairfax charges seem credible to me, but there’s going to come a time when someone hasn’t done what they’re accused of, they’ll quit then get exonerated, and the next time it happens, nobody will be interested in pursuing anything.

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:28 pm)

Democrats have brought this on themselves embracing the "believe all women " crap. It's like they hadn't considered it might backfire

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whatnext (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:41 pm)

I meant to write "it's a very bad idea for Democrats to...", yes, they set an impossibly high standard. Politically it's stupid, too, because you won't get any credit for demanding resignation of your own, Republicans will still act like they aren't holding Fairfax/future people to the same standard even when they are.

Republicans made a great deal of hay demanding that Dems return Weinstein donation money then zipped up when Steve Wynn was revealed as a serial predator and not one person changed their minds about voting R because of it.

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:40 pm)

I think it is ok to call for resignation, but not "too" strongly. The resignation must be viewed as voluntary. Otherwise use a recall process or wait for the next election.

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anotherjd (Feb 8, 2019 - 6:51 pm)

The governor looks like an angel by comparison

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:34 pm)

Sexual assault in the 2000s is worse than blackface in the 1980s.

I still say there is nothing wrong with stating an opinion that someone should resign. For example, I think trump should resign. But I don't think you can pile on too much. At some point you just need to start an impeachment, a recall, or just start raising money for whoever will oppose them in the next election. I get the due process concerns, but when someone voluntarily resigns due process is a non issue.

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catwoman333 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:41 pm)

Agreed but the Constitution doesn't provide for any recall. Impeachment of Trump will NOT happen for 2 reasons:

1-The GOP-dominated Senate will block it.
2-Democrats WANT Trainwreck Trump on the ticket for 2020. "No-drama" Pence would probably be a stronger, less distracting GOP contender in 2020.

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:46 pm)

Right, but this is about a governor and some states do provide for recall. California does. Congressman Darrell Issa, what a joke that guy was. Financed a recall and then couldn't get elected governor. I'm so glad that joke is out of Congress.

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catwoman333 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:57 pm)

VA does not allow recall of the governor. Nor can we recall a POTUS. Nuff said.

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 9:48 pm)

Pence is a ridiculous wind-up Republican doll. I don't think he is stronger than trump.

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catwoman333 (Feb 8, 2019 - 10:06 pm)

So...in your judgment, a blithering, uncontrollable, geriatric toddler, mere steps from possible indictment/impeachment, would make a "stronger" GOP candidate in 2020 than a quiet, low-key politician smart enough to keep his mouth shut when it matters??? Well..Okaaaaaay.

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frida2 (Feb 8, 2019 - 10:15 pm)

I'm afraid so. Pence does not, and never will, have a cult following. I would love to see a Pence presidency ASAP.

Trump supporters are not normal. They are the types who give all their money to televangelists. Pence is so boring and ridiculous. I'd rather have him in the Whitehouse. I also think Pence would be so much less dangerous on international issues. Trump is selling out the USA and has been the whole time. Pence just wants church in schools and to keep women in line, which is decided on a state level. Trump is so much more dangerous than Pence. That's always been the case. The Pence is worse argument has been pushed by Russia from the beginning.

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anotherjd (Feb 9, 2019 - 12:18 pm)

Do people still give their savings to televangelists? Lol

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backfromthedead (Feb 8, 2019 - 10:48 pm)

"Trump supporter spreads fake news about NC governor, yearbook photo"
"Racist picture of Democrat North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper emerges just days after he called on Ralph Northam to resign - DAILY MAIL." — Jacob Wohl tweet on Thursday, Feb 7th, 2019 --
if these Virginia suckers were all 3 Repubs instead of Dems none of them would budge so shaddup about it
https://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2019/feb/08/jacob-wohl/trump-supporter-spreads-fake-news-about-nc-governo/

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wutwutwut (Feb 8, 2019 - 11:08 pm)

The stench of desperation is strong on this one.

Or it is lost, and posting in the wrong thread.


Sadly, either of these options is just as likely as the other, given this one's psychopathy.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 9, 2019 - 12:05 pm)

The legislature is vowing to introduce articles of impeachment on Monday if Fairfax doesn’t resign. That’s ridiculous.

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wutwutwut (Feb 9, 2019 - 12:15 pm)

Seems like stupid posturing. What does VA const permit impeachment for?

A lot of states have more than the usual "high crimes and misdemeanors" like failing to properly administer your office or for no longer being competent (I always assumed this meant in the mental sense), a showing of corruption in the office, etc.

I have a tough time seeing how mere allegations of sexual assault from years before he entered this office bear on that.

Although in the case of the governor, people have been starting to comment that he is so isolated by his own controversy that he may be "incompetent" in a sense.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 9, 2019 - 12:16 pm)

The West Virginia interim Supreme Court decided the legislature couldn’t impeach the Supreme Court justices. State constitutional law is the Wild Wild West.

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