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Zion Won’t Play for New Orleans

Calling it right now. jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Can't even remember the last NBA draftee to pull an Eli and whatnext05/15/19
Zion can return to duke if he withdraws from the draft befor jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Oh yeah, he never hired an agent. I'd really be surprised whatnext05/15/19
Eh. Talent distribution is pro-competitive in sports economi jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Socialist style economic policies have no place in pro sport whatnext05/15/19
Sports is not a free market in the context of a league. It jorgedeclaro05/15/19
It’s not a free market in the context of a league because whatnext05/15/19
Lol. It’s not a free market because in the context of a sp jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Alright fine let’s just assign free market principles in t whatnext05/15/19
That would be crazy, cause there's no guarantee some equally batman05/15/19
Not crazy. Asymmetric bargaining power. Under the new rules, jorgedeclaro05/15/19
I mean if his main beef is with NO and he hates them so much batman05/15/19
I think a legit power move he could pull is to threaten to g batman05/15/19
It’s unclear to me whether the Pelicans retain his rights jorgedeclaro05/15/19
I think the Pelicans would retain his rights. So they could batman05/15/19
Zion is a pretty unique player but he’s definitely not a l jorgedeclaro05/15/19
This years NBA draft sucks. Zion will be good but I agree he irishlaw05/15/19
This underrates him and this draft which is better than the jorgedeclaro05/16/19
The #1 from Toronto like 5 years ago couldn't make the trans diarrheaboy05/16/19
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/york-k nicks-fan-punctuates-very superttthero05/16/19



jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 4:11 pm)

Calling it right now.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 4:13 pm)

Can't even remember the last NBA draftee to pull an Eli and say outright he was refusing to play somewhere.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 4:15 pm)

Zion can return to duke if he withdraws from the draft before the draft. I think makes them trade the pick.

You couldn’t do this under the old rules because the team would have your rights for 4 years or something like that.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 4:18 pm)

Oh yeah, he never hired an agent.

I'd really be surprised if he did that, but it's definitely possible.

Of course, the draft should be scrapped and people coming into the league should be free to go wherever they want. That'll never happen, though.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 4:27 pm)

Eh. Talent distribution is pro-competitive in sports economics. Rookie wage depression however is not. It’s only permissible because it’s collectively bargained and thus falls within the statutory exception to Clayton Antitrust.

Taking sports law as a class has to be up there with the most snokwflakey thing I’ve ever done.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 4:44 pm)

Socialist style economic policies have no place in pro sports! Let the free market work! Scarcity of playing time and money will take care of everything. Alabama doesn’t get every 5 star recruit in college football even though they’re the best program.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 9:19 pm)

Sports is not a free market in the context of a league. It’s essentially both a monopoly and monopsony otherwise known as a bi lateral monopoly where there is a single buyer and single seller of labor.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 9:40 pm)

It’s not a free market in the context of a league because of all the communism like salary limits, forcing entering labor to be subject to a draft, and revenue sharing. If you have 30 teams and no salary cap and every team is free to offer another player as much money as they want, you’d have almost a pure free market, with the only constriction being the size of a roster. Scarcity of minutes and positional needs would prevent the same 4-5 teams from gobbling up all the best players.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 9:59 pm)

Lol. It’s not a free market because in the context of a sports league you need opposing teams to play. If you’re widget producing company, you are not dependent on the existence of competitors for your success even your very existence. In fact, a firm outside of sports is better off as a monopoly even though this results in overall loss to the market. In the sports league context, competing firms acquiring the best talent is not best for the market nor the individual firm from a profit maximizing standpoint. This is the Washington Generals problem.

Sports economics are cool in that illustrates some broader economic principles in a closed environment such as marginal revenue product of labor. But it’s not in any way a microcosm of a free market.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 10:14 pm)

Alright fine let’s just assign free market principles in then instead of Soviet socialism!

Let’s get back to teams folding because they can’t keep up. Enough of this “help the timberwolves by giving them extra ping pong balls and money from bigger teams” crap.

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batman (May 15, 2019 - 10:05 pm)

That would be crazy, cause there's no guarantee some equally crappy team (heck maybe NO again) won't win the lottery next year

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 10:12 pm)

Not crazy. Asymmetric bargaining power. Under the new rules, even the worst team only as an ~14% chance of getting the first overall pick. So having the first overall pick is an asset to New Orleans that will not likely reoccur if Zion walks. This gives New Orleans more incentive to deal while the asset has value. So while you’re potentially correct that Zion won’t be facing a better situation a year from now (although a bunch of big market teams are kind of sh!tty right now Knicks, Clippers, Lakers, Bulls), New Orleans will be pressured to get value out of the asset if Zion is a threat to return to school.

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batman (May 15, 2019 - 10:15 pm)

I mean if his main beef is with NO and he hates them so much more than basically any other team, then I guess.

But if he's just butt hurt that he doesn't get to play in a big market like NYC, then I think it wouldn't be a good move cause some team like Charlotte could win the lottery next year.

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batman (May 15, 2019 - 10:07 pm)

I think a legit power move he could pull is to threaten to go play in Europe or heck even China. He'd probably still get a huge shoe deal and his actual contract might not be far off from what he can get on a rookie deal in the NBA.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 10:12 pm)

It’s unclear to me whether the Pelicans retain his rights if he goes to europe. I’ve seen conflicting answers and have not dived into the CBA.

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batman (May 15, 2019 - 10:18 pm)

I think the Pelicans would retain his rights. So they could of course call his bluff.

He's got to wager that they won't want to deal with that and just move on to one of the other really good players in this year's draft.

Just a personal opinion, but if I were the Pelicans I'd WANT Zion to voice some displeasure so they have cover with their own fans and the media to draft someone else or trade the pick away. Otherwise they are going to be pressured into drafting Zion. I'm not convinced Zion is the type of HOF talent people are making him out to me. I see his peak as more Larry Johnson than LeBron James. Like an 18/8 type of guy.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 10:26 pm)

Zion is a pretty unique player but he’s definitely not a lock to be a NBA great. But he’s got more upside than Morant or Barrett or anyone else.

However, he is the clearest Number One since Anthony Davis in 2012 (Anthony-Towns offensively has been great but there was no guarantee he would develop outside range when he was drafted). You have to draft him unless you get a hell of a trade offer.

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irishlaw (May 15, 2019 - 11:41 pm)

This years NBA draft sucks. Zion will be good but I agree he isn’t a lock for greatness in today’s NBA. I think his skill set is better suited for the NBA 2 decades ago but even then at 6’5 (he isn’t taller) Zion is still undersized compared to those around him. He won’t be nearly as good as James and he won’t make up for that as a shooter.

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jorgedeclaro (May 16, 2019 - 1:37 am)

This underrates him and this draft which is better than the average draft for sure. Zion, Barrett and Morant all could have been drafted over Ayton, Fultz and Tatum, Simmons in light of his injury and lack of outside game (personally I have a boner for tall ball handlers so Simmons, Davis and Giannis give me wood), Anthony Towns, Wiggins and Bennett. There aren’t many 285 pound players in the NBA and none are explosive as he is. That athleticism is huge and could mean his peak is LeBron or Charles Barkley. He’s not a great three point shooter but he’s good enough from outside to keep people honest. He’s also taller than 6’5. In most situations he’d be playing 3-4 defensive end like JJ Watt or Calais Campbell. Instead he’s playing in the NBA.

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diarrheaboy (May 16, 2019 - 12:53 am)

The #1 from Toronto like 5 years ago couldn't make the transition. Every time I hear this I think LINDROS.

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superttthero (May 16, 2019 - 9:50 am)

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/york-knicks-fan-punctuates-very-150152227.html

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