Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

New SAT score: Adversity

Need to the immigrant's opinion on this. https://www.cnn. doublefriedchicken05/16/19
Yeah, Wily. vohod05/16/19
Nice, the local 30k private schools should come down in pric cavebae05/16/19
That's not going to work. Suddenly, all of Wily's students' imoothereforeim05/16/19
Yeah, haha, and the mid-low/mid income parents sacrificing t superttthero05/16/19
Whites can't keep up with the tiger moms taxamnesty05/16/19
This is a 180 response. Seems like it would actually do t batman05/16/19
haha. Tiger Mom's family owns a nail salon or take out rest williamdrayton05/16/19
Literally 10 years ago this would have been an Onion article batman05/16/19
Bfpa gazoo05/16/19
Incidentally this probably would have helped me out as I liv batman05/16/19
Interesting, what ghetto is around Cupertino? I know this m trijocker05/16/19
East PA, DT SJ about 10 years back. I probably can't afford imoothereforeim05/16/19
It's getting gentrified as Facebookers are snapping up the h trijocker05/16/19
I posted before that I lived on FO for a while. Same as adm imoothereforeim05/16/19
I didn't grow up in the Bay Area, I just used Cupertino caus batman05/16/19
Why doesn't the LSAC add an adversity score to the LSAT? Cu trijocker05/16/19
I think this adversity score is calculated by using some sor irishlaw05/16/19
Actually, no there are no boosts to the LSAT score for socio trijocker05/16/19
"There are a number of amazing students who may have scored wutwutwut05/16/19
"Colleges will be able to see the number when considering ap wutwutwut05/16/19
For a second I wondered if the ACT would follow suit, and I superttthero05/16/19
So... the future success of students is partly dependent on brokelawyer05/16/19
Funnny how the current system that explicitly by design favo taxamnesty05/16/19
"explicitly by design" Because Mumsie and Dadsies can b wutwutwut05/16/19
Funny how all unequal outcomes are "explicitly by design." brokelawyer05/16/19
Aint asian crying a river bc despite their high scores white taxamnesty05/16/19
I don’t think this is going to go over well with the publi jorgedeclaro05/16/19
Score should be based on high-water mark for amount of trash midlaw05/16/19
But a lot of people are trash late bloomers. cavebro05/16/19
HAHA 180 wily05/16/19
This is a fun new policy. Will love to see how my clients re wily05/16/19



doublefriedchicken (May 16, 2019 - 1:18 pm)

Need to the immigrant's opinion on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/us/sat-adversity-score/index.html

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vohod (May 16, 2019 - 1:20 pm)

Yeah, Wily.

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cavebae (May 16, 2019 - 1:47 pm)

Nice, the local 30k private schools should come down in price a bit.

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imoothereforeim (May 16, 2019 - 1:51 pm)

That's not going to work. Suddenly, all of Wily's students' parents make 0 dollars (despite millions in the bank) and registered in Compton.

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superttthero (May 16, 2019 - 1:54 pm)

Yeah, haha, and the mid-low/mid income parents sacrificing to rent a house in a great school district will be punished for doing what they think is best for their kid.

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taxamnesty (May 16, 2019 - 1:55 pm)

Whites can't keep up with the tiger moms

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batman (May 16, 2019 - 1:57 pm)

This is a 180 response.

Seems like it would actually do the opposite of what the intent is as it seems like fraud and gaming would be rampant.

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williamdrayton (May 16, 2019 - 3:00 pm)

haha. Tiger Mom's family owns a nail salon or take out restaurant in the ghetto. Mom uses the business address to enroll her kid in Martin Luther King High School. kid takes the SAT using that address and school to game the adversity score. kid never actually attends the school and then withdraws after a week.

sounds crazy but is it any more bizarre than using photoshop to create a fake athletic profile and paying some 36 year old dude to take your daughter's SAT?

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batman (May 16, 2019 - 1:57 pm)

Literally 10 years ago this would have been an Onion article.

Weird times we live in

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gazoo (May 16, 2019 - 3:35 pm)

Bfpa

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batman (May 16, 2019 - 2:00 pm)

Incidentally this probably would have helped me out as I lived in the ghetto and my parents were/are poor. But I got lumped in with the rich Cupertino Asians cause of my ethnicity.

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trijocker (May 16, 2019 - 2:08 pm)

Interesting, what ghetto is around Cupertino?
I know this milieu, and someone yesterday could not understand why robbers were targeting rich Cupertino asian ladies for their purses.

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imoothereforeim (May 16, 2019 - 2:20 pm)

East PA, DT SJ about 10 years back. I probably can't afford East PA.

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trijocker (May 16, 2019 - 2:27 pm)

It's getting gentrified as Facebookers are snapping up the homes.
Were you there when East PA could get a Tinsley act transfer to Paly high?
We lived in Fair Oaks previously, so I know those blocks well.
My kids had to be toted over to sports practices at Belle Haven, which also started gentrifying.

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imoothereforeim (May 16, 2019 - 3:47 pm)

I posted before that I lived on FO for a while. Same as admin, I think. I used to drive FO to work. It's a curving and narrowing street, but traffic was easier in the Middle Age.

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batman (May 16, 2019 - 2:27 pm)

I didn't grow up in the Bay Area, I just used Cupertino cause that was the first rich privileged Asian town I Could think of.

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trijocker (May 16, 2019 - 2:06 pm)

Why doesn't the LSAC add an adversity score to the LSAT?
Currently only AAs or Native Americans receive a boost as URMS.
Joe Average, who worked nights in college at the pizza place putting himself through school, does not receive any sort of adversity boost. That puts children of working or blue collar families at a disadvantage, when they probably went to public schools, and are competing against the Tiffany Trumps and Brett Kavanaughs of the world, who didn't have to work and attended private school.

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irishlaw (May 16, 2019 - 2:46 pm)

I think this adversity score is calculated by using some sort of “average” adversity statistics to generate a score instead of a score based on individual adversity (much easier to game).

So you’ll likely have “poor” white kids get low adversity score and wealthy black kids with high adversity score...sort of how AA already works.

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trijocker (May 16, 2019 - 3:07 pm)

Actually, no there are no boosts to the LSAT score for socio economic diversity.
Unless, a particularly school, i.e. Berkeley chooses to count this as a factor in scholarship determinations, but there is no boost for "poor" kids whatever the color, like AA or Native American

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wutwutwut (May 16, 2019 - 3:06 pm)

"There are a number of amazing students who may have scored less (on the SAT) but have accomplished more," David Coleman, chief executive officer of the College Board, told the Journal. "


A number.

Wowie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

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wutwutwut (May 16, 2019 - 3:08 pm)

"Colleges will be able to see the number when considering applicants, but students themselves won't be told their scores."


That's not gonna cause any trouble, now, izzit?

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superttthero (May 16, 2019 - 3:13 pm)

For a second I wondered if the ACT would follow suit, and I guarantee you it will.

Their goal is to get as many test takers as possible, and if now you have unwashed masses thinking this will help them, then they will choose the SAT over ACT and ACT will have to copy.

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brokelawyer (May 16, 2019 - 3:19 pm)

So... the future success of students is partly dependent on criteria they generally have very little personal control over, the students are not being told to what extent the criteria helps or hurts them, and they have no choice at all in the matter.

People talk a lot about "fascism" in this country, but... damn

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taxamnesty (May 16, 2019 - 3:23 pm)

Funnny how the current system that explicitly by design favours the wealthy kids doesn't get your panties all bunched up

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wutwutwut (May 16, 2019 - 3:25 pm)

"explicitly by design"


Because Mumsie and Dadsies can buy them all the SAT tutoring they could need, and more?

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brokelawyer (May 16, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

Funny how all unequal outcomes are "explicitly by design." Because I guess some shadowy group got together and decided that all Asian families would encourage achievement from now on.

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taxamnesty (May 16, 2019 - 5:44 pm)

Aint asian crying a river bc despite their high scores whites and jews still get more spots at best unies?

asking for a friend, don't shoot the msnger, champ

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jorgedeclaro (May 16, 2019 - 3:45 pm)

I don’t think this is going to go over well with the public.

And based on the normal SAT scores, being from a rich household is better than being Asian which is better than having parents with graduate degrees.

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midlaw (May 16, 2019 - 5:47 pm)

Score should be based on high-water mark for amount of trash in room/apartment.

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cavebro (May 16, 2019 - 7:09 pm)

But a lot of people are trash late bloomers.

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wily (May 16, 2019 - 7:11 pm)

HAHA 180

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wily (May 16, 2019 - 7:19 pm)

This is a fun new policy. Will love to see how my clients respond. I suspect more switching to the ACT for the time being. I don't think this is very manipulable given how bad the high adversity high schools really are, so no rich Asian would want to transfer their kids there for high school. Maybe slightly less interest in US boarding schools though, particularly the expensive but not highly ranked ones. Maybe more interest in the less well-known international schools in Shanghai, or even a selection of a public school here plus lots of outside English support (Wily Edu) to avoid the billionaires at Shanghai American School.

Will be interesting to mention this at my next seminar. In general, any time things change for testing, there's just more interest in test prep businesses like mine from worried parents, so this is likely Good For Business.

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