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What would it take to actually prevent illegal border crossings?

I have no opposition in principle to any system that could a trickydick01/11/19
1) Has anyone tried to breach the current wall on the border walkingparadox01/11/19
"Has anyone tried to breach the current wall on the border? therewillbeblood01/11/19
As in cut through? That seemed to be the whole HAHA TRUMP c walkingparadox01/11/19
Paco is defending your border. trickydick01/11/19
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Annex the Americas. jorgedeclaro01/11/19
make the process to come here legally so easy and straightfo johnsmith01/11/19
"They are then subject to minimum wage laws and don't get we walkingparadox01/11/19
ROFL. Millions of people would pour in under that system. tedandlisa12301/11/19
Just make it illegal and punishable by mandatory jail time t gladigotaphdinstead01/11/19
There are over a thousand vacant houses in just the city I l johnsmith01/11/19
We have too many people as it is. Want us to have more ki gladigotaphdinstead01/11/19
we don't have enough people. that's why there are lots of em johnsmith01/14/19
More dishonest nonsense from TD. Just stop. sexbro01/11/19
You can’t point to anything I said that is dishonest. Youâ trickydick01/11/19
the solution is actually real simple: help sh-thole count dingbat01/11/19
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s not America’s trickydick01/11/19
Focus on stopping the hiring of illegals. People won't come 2tierreality01/12/19
this wutwutwut01/12/19
What’s Qui Tam style? Is that like Gangnam? I think that o gladigotaphdinstead01/12/19
Land mines outclassed01/13/19
Walls work. The Border Patrol agents say it cuts down on cr secondcareerlawyer01/14/19
Oh the border patrol agents say so? Those guys know everythi gladigotaphdinstead01/14/19
You just unintentionally defined what a limosine liberal is. secondcareerlawyer01/14/19
If we already have a wall on the border, why has Trump shut trickydick01/14/19
Who is going to clean my house, cut my lawn and watch my kid drewprocess01/14/19

trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 3:58 pm)

I have no opposition in principle to any system that could actually reduce the number of illegal crossings to practically zero. The trouble with Trump’s wall is just that, it is only a wall. There are already walls along the Mexican border. And it has been established that all the versions of the wall proposed by Trump can be circumvented or breached with only modest effort. People can dig under them, climb over them, or breach them with relatively cheap equipment.

What would actually reduce illegal immigration to practically nil?

I think our best bet would be an expanded border patrol force of a few hundred thousand spread across stations spaced out every few hundred miles along the border, relying on aerial surveillance and remote monitoring systems. This combination of manpower and equipment would probably drop the number of successful illegal crossings to almost zero, I think.

Since having roughly five hundred thousand border patrol agents on the border (up from the roughly 20,000 we currently have) would effectively be creating a sixth military branch of service, the cost would probably equal several tens of billions of dollars annually.

It is worth noting that approximately half of all US border patrol agents are Latinos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol

The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (signed by President Bush on December 17, 2004) authorized hiring an additional 10,000 agents, "subject to appropriation". This authorization nearly doubled the Border Patrol manpower from 11,000 to 20,000 agents by 2010.[26] As of 2016, roughly half of the agents are Latino Americans.[27]

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:13 pm)

1) Has anyone tried to breach the current wall on the border? Aside from all the memes of "HAHA TRUMP IS A TARD HIS WALL SUCKS" has the current wall actually had that issue?

2) The issue isn't just catching them. They keep coming. Over, and over, and over. There is no repercussion for doing that. You get a free meal, and typically get sent back across the next day. Then you can try again. If you are from a country that doesn't border the US you get to stick around disappear as well.

3) Border towns and cities shield them and assist with the issue.

4) US policies. Catch and release. "Hey, show up for your court date in a few months." "Sure thing!" **disappears**

5) E-verify and states not attempting to undermine the Feds.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:26 pm)

"Has anyone tried to breach the current wall on the border? "

They're breached all the time:

"Choosing a spot at dusk where the fence was lower, just over a quarter mile from the Pacific, eventually roughly two dozen people had gone over. Another three managed to squeeze themselves through a narrow space in the fence."

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

As in cut through? That seemed to be the whole HAHA TRUMP card, was that someone could saw through the wall. Has that happened with the current one?

And yes, they do attempt to scale it, but most tend to go around where it is. That is why that girl died out on the border in the middle of nowhere. They were avoiding the fencing in El Paso and went west where there is a gap south of Lordsburg.

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trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:04 pm)

Paco is defending your border.



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sexbro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:13 pm)

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sexbro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:13 pm)

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sexbro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:14 pm)

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:20 pm)

Annex the Americas.

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johnsmith (Jan 11, 2019 - 4:39 pm)

make the process to come here legally so easy and straightforward that no one other than criminals even bothers to try to cross illegally. I'm not saying open borders, I'm saying immigrants would show up at the border, undergo a background check, and assuming they pass, be given a taxpayer ID # and allowed to cross. They are then subject to minimum wage laws and don't get welfare. In ten years, if they've been paying taxes and stayed out of trouble, they can apply for citizenship.

That would prevent almost all illegal crossings without having to build anything.

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walkingparadox (Jan 11, 2019 - 5:02 pm)

"They are then subject to minimum wage laws and don't get welfare."

?????


Also, how do you say when is enough? The United States took in more people last year than any other country in the world. Right now, all of Venezuela would come here under those conditions and I don't blame them.

How do you plan to do background checks for people who have never been in the US?

I think you are over simplifying the issue and while your heart is in the right place, grossly misjudging the long term impact of that policy.

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tedandlisa123 (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:23 pm)

ROFL. Millions of people would pour in under that system. I’d rather make minimum wage in America than eat dog in Venezuela or Zimbabwe. Our city slum population would explode and our infrastructure would collapse.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 11, 2019 - 5:17 pm)

Just make it illegal and punishable by mandatory jail time to employ an illegal immigrant.

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johnsmith (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:31 pm)

There are over a thousand vacant houses in just the city I live in. How many in Detroit? We could build big shiny new cities in the desert. It’d be awesome
I just read the other day that people in the US aren’t reproducing enough to keep the population at current levels. We could actually use a bunch of extra people.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 11, 2019 - 6:50 pm)

We have too many people as it is.

Want us to have more kids? Give subsidies to families and make child care entirely deductible

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johnsmith (Jan 14, 2019 - 9:23 am)

we don't have enough people. that's why there are lots of empty houses.

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sexbro (Jan 11, 2019 - 7:06 pm)

More dishonest nonsense from TD.

Just stop.

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trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 10:37 pm)

You can’t point to anything I said that is dishonest. You’re just dissatisfied because reality doesn’t match your expectations.

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dingbat (Jan 11, 2019 - 8:19 pm)

the solution is actually real simple:

help sh-thole countries be less sh-thole.

To answer Trump's question as to why we're not getting more immigrants from Norway: Because Norway is not a sh-thole

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trickydick (Jan 11, 2019 - 10:39 pm)

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s not America’s job to improve other countries. Besides, there is not much America can do to better a sovereign state. Screw up another another sovereign state? Sure. Better it? Not really.

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2tierreality (Jan 12, 2019 - 12:19 am)

Focus on stopping the hiring of illegals. People won't come here if they can't work.

-Mandatory, intensified e-verify requirements for all employees

-Serious monetary penalties for violators. Jail time for repeat offenders

-Qui Tam style compensation for whistleblowers who report violators

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wutwutwut (Jan 12, 2019 - 8:32 am)

this

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 12, 2019 - 10:03 am)

What’s Qui Tam style? Is that like Gangnam? I think that only works in korea.

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outclassed (Jan 13, 2019 - 11:56 pm)

Land mines

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secondcareerlawyer (Jan 14, 2019 - 9:20 am)

Walls work. The Border Patrol agents say it cuts down on crossings and serves as a valid deterrent. Of course this doesn't fit the narrative and Cnn / libtards just parrot what they want to believe.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424876-san-diego-tv-station-cnn-declined-our-local-view-because-of-reports-on-wall

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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 14, 2019 - 9:41 am)

Oh the border patrol agents say so? Those guys know everything. They’re not just a bunch of idiots who basically took the worst cop job in the country because they are the bottom of the barrel FOR COPS.

So it must be true.

we should start interviewing privates and corporals in the armed services and find out their military strategies and enact them, rather than listening to those liberals and elite generals with their fancy educations telling us what to think.

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secondcareerlawyer (Jan 14, 2019 - 1:04 pm)

You just unintentionally defined what a limosine liberal is. Some overly educated pompous fool who thinks their degrees from tathe sane cluster of groupthink school makes them superior to the common person. History is full of out of touch generals from elite academies who led their troops to slaughter -WW1 Uk and French generals come to mind who ordered their men to march in lines playing music and waving flags. Meanwhile their German counterparts adapted.

You mention policing. So who is better acquainted with their beat - patrol cops or some political hack ordering shifts? The Border Patrol btw is 50% latino. You going to play the racist card there as well?

Maybe listening to the people on the front lines who are doing their actual jobs will provide valuable input.

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trickydick (Jan 14, 2019 - 3:55 pm)

If we already have a wall on the border, why has Trump shut down the government to build a wall along the border?

If the existing wall works at keeping out illegal immigrants, why is he complaining that we have a flood of illegal immigrants crossing the border?

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drewprocess (Jan 14, 2019 - 9:26 am)

Who is going to clean my house, cut my lawn and watch my kids?

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