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Texas AG Paxton announces he's incompetent!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/te xas-says-it-has-discovere dingbat01/27/19
" they've discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls, whatnext01/27/19
Why is it "most likely the vast majority" are now citizens? anotherjd01/29/19
Verifying citizenship isn’t particularly easy. It’s not jorgedeclaro01/27/19
"All you need to do is sign a form saying you’re eligible anotherjd01/29/19
Least restrictive proof is what’s required under the feder jorgedeclaro01/29/19
lol "Officials in five large counties — Harris, Travis, whatnext01/29/19
Welp, looks like this was a big ol screwup. I assume Presid whatnext01/31/19
dingbat (Jan 27, 2019 - 2:06 pm)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-voted

Apparently, going back to 1996, they've discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls, of which 58,000 have voted - but since 2005 only 97 were prosecuted.

I don't care how you splice this, announcing that you have 58,000 possible instances of illegal activities and less than 100 prosecutions, means it's either intentional policy (see e.g. DACA) or downright incompetence.

As there was no announced policy, I'm going to go with incompetence

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whatnext (Jan 27, 2019 - 2:11 pm)

" they've discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls, of which 58,000 have voted - but since 2005 only 97 were prosecuted."

To be clear, they've discovered 95k people who may have been non-citizens at one point, not necessarily when they voted.

Possible a few of them are non-citizens? Sure. Most likely the vast majority of those people gained citizenship at some point.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:00 pm)

Why is it "most likely the vast majority" are now citizens?

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 27, 2019 - 2:49 pm)

Verifying citizenship isn’t particularly easy. It’s not like there is a citizenship database out there. I just went to a presentation where an immigration attorney told us an anecdotal about spent months working on a case only to find out the guy and his entire family were actually citizens through his grandma based on the immigration law in place at the time his parents were born.

There is no question that there are legal and illegal immigrants voting. Both intentionally and unintentionally (not knowing they aren’t eligible). All you need to do is sign a form saying you’re eligible to vote and the state has to accept it. A ton of states have this declaration in their driver’s license application. Very easy for an ESL person to misunderstand or an illegal immigrant to fill in because they think it makes them look suspicious if they don’t. I recently learned that the “false claims to citizenship” is one of the tougher disqualifers that immigrants run into because they used a fake social security number to work or signed an declaration on a driver’s license application saying they could vote.

The question is how many. It’s obviously not 3 million, that’s insane. But it may very well be that it’s more than we are comfortable with. A new system for verifying eligibility to vote should be part of immigration reform.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:07 pm)

"All you need to do is sign a form saying you’re eligible to vote and the state has to accept it."

Maybe they need a stricter identification procedure?

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:09 pm)

Least restrictive proof is what’s required under the federal motor-voter law. This is what Kris Kobach incomptently tried to challenge against the ACLU.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:55 pm)

lol

"Officials in five large counties — Harris, Travis, Fort Bend, Collin and Williamson — told The Texas Tribune they had received calls on Tuesday from the secretary of state’s office indicating that some of the some of the voters whose citizenship status the state said counties should consider checking should not actually be on those lists."

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1090335575780061186

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whatnext (Jan 31, 2019 - 11:59 pm)

Welp, looks like this was a big ol screwup. I assume President Trump will issue a follow up to his tweet about it!

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/elections/state-all-on-local-list-of-potential-noncitizen-voters-are/article_20771942-538d-506d-bcad-7e7ca79e261d.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

"Election officials in Texas’ largest county say they have already cleared about 18,000 voters in the Houston area who the state had wrongly flagged as potential noncitizens.

Harris County special assistant attorney Douglas Ray said Wednesday he expects to find more mistakes as the state backpedals on claims that tens of thousands of illegal ballots had potentially been cast since 1996."

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