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“This is MAGA country” - Trump supporters attack actor, put noose around his neck

http://tmz.com/2019/01/29/empire-st ar-jussie-smollett-attack whatnext01/29/19
It would be supremely ironic if by some odd chance Smollett onefortheteam01/29/19
I'm not saying this didnt happen, but it seems like there is superttthero01/29/19
This story sounds suspicious. Edit: also, NBC reports tha jorgedeclaro01/29/19
You clearly have never visited a Subway at 2am; you'll almos toooldtocare01/29/19
Who either stalked Smollett to Chicago or were fortuitously jorgedeclaro01/29/19
Agree with all, except how the media reported it. People ma toooldtocare01/29/19
The report describes a very viscous beating. I do find it h anotherjd01/29/19
What I said above: he was in some bad stuff and got a beatin superttthero01/29/19
Something clearly happened, but it's equally clear it didn't toooldtocare01/29/19
Possible it's a cover, but making it political is soooo risk whatnext01/29/19
Unfortunately, in our current political climate, it seems to toooldtocare01/29/19
It’s impossible for a Trump supporter to commit an act of trickydick01/29/19
Tricky do you believe this guy was attacked by two trump sup anotherjd01/29/19
I’m skeptical that the accident happened as reported, but trickydick01/29/19
What a load of bull. "Yes it was a hoax, but it COULD HAVE H drglennrichie01/31/19
This guy says there’s no evidence someone could be attacke trickydick01/31/19
Mail bomb is not a physical attack. Also, this guy can be Be drglennrichie02/01/19
I’m not suggesting that there are no racist and potentiall jorgedeclaro01/29/19
Where in the media does it say they wore Maga hats or were T trijocker01/29/19
My mistake on the hats; no hats just yelling "This is MAGA c toooldtocare01/29/19
They allegedly yelled "this is MAGA country " at him during anotherjd01/29/19
I think even the most pro-Trump NAZI racist wouldn't call an superttthero01/29/19
Lol probably not anotherjd01/29/19
Was thinking the exact same thing. MAGA and Chicago don’t dupednontraditional01/30/19
I find it weird that two Chicago men would rando pick him ou trijocker01/29/19
https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/29/ chicago-police-deny-claim walkingparadox01/29/19
Anyone want to make a $100 bet this story turns out to be a bigwags01/29/19
I need odds. Haha. I'll put up $100, but you gotta put up $8 superttthero01/29/19
Chicago police aren't sure where "This is MAGA country" come whatnext01/29/19
"A Chicago Police spokesperson told The Daily Beast that the toooldtocare01/29/19
Yeah, as much as I hate to agree with you devils, I smell a blackpappy01/29/19
They had their bleach ready too. anotherjd01/29/19
Playing devil's advocate, suppose it was two prepared guys f toooldtocare01/29/19
Also, his plane was delayed 5 hours and he flew in that nigh walkingparadox01/29/19
"MAGA country"? Downtown Chicago? Maybe he misheard them and zuma01/29/19
https://www.amazon.com/Smolletts-ho ax-Stanford-language-lite wutwutwut01/29/19
Someone noted that it would have been extremely cold last ni anotherjd01/29/19
I’m speculating on the location based on the hospital he d jorgedeclaro01/29/19
Daily Mail is running a photo of the Smollet hate letters L trijocker01/29/19
Two things I noticed. 1) His flight was delayed for 5 hou walkingparadox01/29/19
Are you thinking he drew the MAGA return address himself? trijocker01/29/19
There are trumptards within the city limits of Chicago? I th midlaw01/29/19
Where were Dailey and EXNITE that morning? esquirewalletsmatter01/29/19
Hmmmm, yeah, this isn't completely unbelievable at all. G walkingparadox01/29/19
Today I learned bleach freezes. jorgedeclaro01/29/19
Lol apparently it does. So did these maga attackers have a anotherjd01/29/19
Around 20 it does. So if it'd been sitting outside for a lo wutwutwut01/29/19
Or it was retrieved from somewhere warm. That’s a pretty s jorgedeclaro01/29/19
It is a ridiculous detail. They fled on foot. Two guys runn walkingparadox01/29/19
I’ve already expressed by skepticism at this story, but th jorgedeclaro01/29/19
"They happen to recognize him as the one from the show who i whatnext01/29/19
All black people look alike, especially to the MAGA crowd. Y jorgedeclaro01/29/19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOx OR3x8FBQ whatnext01/29/19
Lol. The Spike Lee dolly shot. I like He Got Game better, bu jorgedeclaro01/29/19
I can’t believe BlacKkKlansman is his first directing nomi whatnext01/29/19
Mo Better Blues was without peer.... blackpappy01/30/19
A "main character" vs the main character? I have never watc walkingparadox01/30/19
For them to have recognized him at 2am would be because they toooldtocare01/29/19
I looked on Jezebel and Huffpost. 5-10% of the comments said jorgedeclaro01/29/19
Part of the issue seems to be that TMZ and other sources emb superttthero01/29/19
Good point-the cops are treating this as a straight-up muggi toooldtocare01/29/19
I agree that if we take out the “this is MAGA country” a jorgedeclaro01/29/19
TMZ is confirming the alleged victim told cops the "maga cou anotherjd01/29/19
Per TMZ: "4:00 PM PT -- Chicago PD confirms to TMZ Jussie t toooldtocare01/29/19
Why keep the rope around your neck? anotherjd01/29/19
Because he thinks it gives him more credibility. "LOOK, AND walkingparadox01/30/19
"Empire was the biggest show on broadcast tv" Never hea wutwutwut01/29/19
You’re not alone. A lot of people don’t own televisions. trickydick01/29/19
Haha. I have the tele. I just don't watch broadcast. wutwutwut01/29/19
P.S. it apparently has a 6.6/10 rating on TV.com, so mayhap wutwutwut01/29/19
I’ve never watched an episode. I was just agreeing with yo trickydick01/30/19
It has a 6.6/10 rating on TV.com, so mayhap not quite so mom wutwutwut01/30/19
Cardi B has 41 MILLION instagram followers, you probably don backfromthedead01/30/19
How many JDUers follow Cardi B on Instagram here? I don't r trijocker01/30/19
other than the fact Cardi B "dog walked" that Toni Lahren bu backfromthedead01/30/19
Empire’s marketing campaign has saturated every form of ad trickydick01/30/19
Yet you just described some of the luddites here. It's amaz trijocker01/30/19
I would argue the more luddite the more you are likely to wa superttthero01/30/19
Yeah, this. My reading time is split between NYT, WAPO, and wutwutwut01/30/19
Are you married or have children in the home? Cable has DVR trijocker01/30/19
I am familiar with my closest local sport teams and I know t wutwutwut01/31/19
Live sports is how they getcha. The only reason I watch broa cowgod01/30/19
Exactly, Cleatus the Robot on Fox NFL Sunday. Always in a c trijocker01/30/19
The only broadcast television I watch on a regular basis is trickydick01/30/19
" ... radio stations on my drive to and from work... hundred wutwutwut01/31/19
I can't believe we are still arguing about whether you watch trijocker01/31/19
I'm answering comments that are still discussing the issue ( wutwutwut01/31/19
I don't know anything about you IRL, but your comments come trijocker01/31/19
"I just don't get you and why the tv show is such affront to wutwutwut01/31/19
“trickydick (Jan 30, 2019 - 3:48 pm) Empire’s market trickydick01/31/19
"don’t know how anyone who uses the internet can avoid the wutwutwut01/31/19
Seriously. https://blog.acceptableads.com https://bloc trickydick02/01/19
LoL, a "committee on acceptable ads". Good stuff, kid. wutwutwut02/01/19
Lol. Way to ignore everything that contradicts whatever p trickydick02/01/19
That's your problem, neighbor. Nothing in your links contra wutwutwut02/01/19
You’ve spent a lot of energy trying to avoid hearing about trickydick02/01/19
tricky-it's possible to have heard of the show and not know toooldtocare02/01/19
Every black woman in America watches it; pretty much no one blackpappy01/30/19
They always ask why I don’t watch it tbf esquirewalletsmatter01/31/19
According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Smollett was in his apar jorgedeclaro01/30/19
According to NBC, responding CPD officers turned off their b toooldtocare01/30/19
It looks like they have photos of two persons of interest. trijocker01/30/19
Means they aren’t out there shooting black kids. I’ll ca jorgedeclaro01/30/19
Trump supporters are so ashamed of Trump’s failure to buil trickydick01/31/19
Smollett’s manager told police that he was on the phone wi jorgedeclaro01/31/19
I agree. But dont make big claims if you dont have big proof superttthero01/31/19
They don't need his cell phone anyway; the manager's would b toooldtocare01/31/19
Vladimir Putin colluded w/ white Christian school students t cacrimdefense01/31/19
According to Enty, he hooked up with these people through Gr plumber02/01/19
If true, is he charged with filing a false police report? H trijocker02/01/19
Plumber knows the story is true because he was one of the gu trickydick02/01/19
This would explain the “this is MAGA country” statement jorgedeclaro02/01/19
He's been working hard for the democratic party. toooldtocare02/01/19
Feb has been slow. We were averaging a BS story a week in Ja walkingparadox02/17/19

whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 11:57 am)

http://tmz.com/2019/01/29/empire-star-jussie-smollett-attacked-hospitalized-homophobic-hate-crime/

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onefortheteam (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:01 pm)

It would be supremely ironic if by some odd chance Smollett actually voted for Trump.

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superttthero (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:34 pm)

I'm not saying this didnt happen, but it seems like there is more to it than he was just recognized and then attacked.

Where was he in Chicago that this would happen without some surveillance catching the act or them escaping? They recognized him and had masks, MAGA hats, rope, and bleach?

Seems he was targeted or that some facts are being embellished.

Also, what the hell is Empire? Is it a show extreme anti-gay and anti-black "this is MAGA country" types would watch enough to recognize an actor out of it in public?

I bet he was specifically targeted or that he was into some bad stuff himself and got a beating he's trying to play off as a random attack.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:42 pm)

This story sounds suspicious.

Edit: also, NBC reports that he took himself to the hospital afterward. TMZ says he was taken to the hospital.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:55 pm)

You clearly have never visited a Subway at 2am; you'll almost always find MAGA-hat, ski-masked white men-they always travel in pairs-who routinely carry rope and bleach. They attack actors appearing in obscure Fox TV shows regularly. The only thing unusual is that they usually yell "This is Trump Country" as they administer the requisite beating.
What the hell has happened to journalism? This is the single most ridiculous story published lately, and that's saying a lot.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:09 pm)

Who either stalked Smollett to Chicago or were fortuitously there 8 days after sending hate mail to the Fox studio. He hasn’t been particularly outspoken on Trump, his cause seems to be the relatively benign cause of saving a women’s historically black college. So you either have perpetrators who were bizarrely fixated on this guy and intricately tracked him down to attack in the most offensive and politically unexceptable manner possible, but only roughed him up a little and didn’t kill him. Or he ran into people who randomly recognized him in a subway at 2:00am and then fortuitously had ski masks, rope and bleach to assault him with in the most offensive and politically unacceptable way possible. It sounds like a movie plot.

There’s nothing wrong with the media reporting it. It was reported to the police.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:33 pm)

Agree with all, except how the media reported it. People make wild claims, every day, in police reports, and maybe it would be better to actually wait to see what the evidence uncovers. The information as presented is a hate crime, Chicago's a tinderbox-hell the whole country is, so maybe taking the time to get all the facts would be a good idea.
A foolish notion, perhaps.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:57 pm)

The report describes a very viscous beating. I do find it hard to believe two hardcore racists would seek out this guy for a planned attack but what is the alternative? He hired someone to beat him up?

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superttthero (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:00 pm)

What I said above: he was in some bad stuff and got a beating hes trying to play off.

He was meeting someone for NSA sex, drugs or worse... things went downhill and he got a beatdown. Then he had to make up a story as to why he was beat up and cant say, "I was meering a stranger from the internet for paid sex and meth."

I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's an alternative.

I think this story could be real, but not a single fact other than the beating seems corroborated yet and it sounds a little too perfect.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:06 pm)

Something clearly happened, but it's equally clear it didn't happen the way described in the TMZ article.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:10 pm)

Possible it's a cover, but making it political is soooo risky when he could just as easily say he was mugged.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:29 pm)

Unfortunately, in our current political climate, it seems to be just the opposite; several here think this story is entirely believable. So is it believable that Trump supporters attacked a black actor who is also gay? Maybe. But would they be hanging out at Subway at 2am? Would they have rope and bleach? Would they yell "This is MAGA country" while beating this person?
It's gotten to the point that it appears to be believable that two ski-masked, MAGA hat wearing white males were trolling Chicago to find a black gay actor-who they just happened to recognize from TV!
So reality is often stranger than fiction, but...
No question this guy sustained injuries, but it will be interesting to see what the police investigation uncovers. As it's being labeled a hate crime, the cops are going to have to do a full investigation.

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trickydick (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:02 pm)

It’s impossible for a Trump supporter to commit an act of violence, simply impossible I tell you.



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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:03 pm)

Tricky do you believe this guy was attacked by two trump supporters as described? Go ahead and go on the record

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trickydick (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:39 pm)

I’m skeptical that the accident happened as reported, but I don’t doubt such a ridiculous thing is possible.

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drglennrichie (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:11 am)

What a load of bull. "Yes it was a hoax, but it COULD HAVE HAPPENED". It didnt happen and no evidence that it could

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trickydick (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:44 am)

This guy says there’s no evidence someone could be attacked by a Trump supporter. Not too bright, is he?



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drglennrichie (Feb 1, 2019 - 3:05 am)

Mail bomb is not a physical attack. Also, this guy can be Bernie supporter pretending to be trump supporter.


It COULD have happened that way.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:09 pm)

I’m not suggesting that there are no racist and potentially violent Trump supporters out there. I’m merely saying that the facts alleged here would require exceptional planning with no end-game or exceptional luck to coalesce into Smollett’s report of events. And the reported events also would fit perfectly into a desired narrative of Trump based racism, homophobia and violence. Saying no Trump supporters are capable of violence would be just as silly as saying no one has ever conducted a hate crime hoax before.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:11 pm)

Where in the media does it say they wore Maga hats or were Trumpsters?
This is a weird story. I like Jussie Smollett, but he says he received death threats, and then was just wandering along a Chicago street when he was attacked and a noose was put on his neck.
I feel like there is something else going on here that is not being reported.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:37 pm)

My mistake on the hats; no hats just yelling "This is MAGA country".
Other news reports are much more circumspect than TMZ's, only mentioning racist and homophobic slurs.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:43 pm)

They allegedly yelled "this is MAGA country " at him during the beating. Probably not Hillary voters.

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superttthero (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:48 pm)

I think even the most pro-Trump NAZI racist wouldn't call any part of Chicago near Northwestern Hospital "Maga Country."

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:56 pm)

Lol probably not

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dupednontraditional (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:26 am)

Was thinking the exact same thing. MAGA and Chicago don’t normally go in the same sentence.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:09 pm)

I find it weird that two Chicago men would rando pick him out on a chicago street,
and just happen to be carrying a rope and bleach while strolling downtown.
Some poster above suggested he was out buying or doing something criminal, and then got beat up.
You could always add later that you were beat up by someone yelling "this is maga country" just to support your version of the story.

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walkingparadox (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:18 pm)

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/29/chicago-police-deny-claim-that-jussie-sm

Not sure how reputable this source is:


Several media outlets referenced claims that appeared in TMZ's coverage of this matter, most notably that the perpetrators were white and yelled "this is MAGA country," as they attacked Smollett. But a spokesperson for the Chicago police denied having any information about the race and political views of the attackers.

"According to the victim, the offenders' faces were concealed," a police spokesperson told Reason. "We have no record indicating that [they shouted 'MAGA'], we only have record of them shouting racial and homophobic slurs at him."

Chicago police have also released a statement contradicting claims that Smollett identified his attackers' race and heard them shout "MAGA."

"We have no record of The MAGA Country comment," said the police in a statement. "We have racial and homophobic comments documented."

Until we know more, it would be wise to avoid making any sweeping generalizations about who to blame for this. The best course of action right now is to wish Smollett a speedy recovery and wait for better information.

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bigwags (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:32 pm)

Anyone want to make a $100 bet this story turns out to be a hoax? Via bitcoin or whatever.

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superttthero (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:36 pm)

I need odds. Haha. I'll put up $100, but you gotta put up $800.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:25 pm)

Chicago police aren't sure where "This is MAGA country" comes from

https://www.thedailybeast.com/empire-star-jussie-smollett-hospitalized-after-homophobic-attack-tmz

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:40 pm)

"A Chicago Police spokesperson told The Daily Beast that the attackers’ genders was unknown, and that their faces and hands had been covered."

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blackpappy (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:29 pm)

Yeah, as much as I hate to agree with you devils, I smell a rat here. The story is way too neat. Good and evil are way too clear.

As Alexander Hamilton once said, a woman is at bottom of every fight or quarrel on a muster field. There's more here. As someone said above, when the smoke clears, this will be about efforts to procure drugs or sex that went wrong, an overly vocal protestation from a gay black dude, and two white guys administering a beating to him. They probably called him the n word and some other names, but that's my take.

The rope is worrisome though. Usually lies aren't this specific. Rope is pretty easily provable. I don't see the guy saying rope unless somebody had one and why would two non-klan guys just happen to have a rope on a random night in Chicago. Also, I haven't been to Chicago in a while, but are their Trump enclaves in that city?

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:36 pm)

They had their bleach ready too.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:38 pm)

Playing devil's advocate, suppose it was two prepared guys from MAGA country who specifically traveled to Chicago with rope and bleach for the purpose of committing a crime like the one reported-basically like pedophiles travel to nearby areas-but not their own neighborhood-to pick up an unsuspecting child.
Can't get past the part about the assailants recognizing him from TV though, and being sufficient fans of the show to know his character's backstory so as to hurl both racist and homophobic slurs while assaulting him.

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walkingparadox (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:52 pm)

Also, his plane was delayed 5 hours and he flew in that night. If he lived there and went for a morning jog every day and they knew that, certainly a bit more plausible. How could they plan this, hang out for him to show up 5 hours later, then stick around assuming he would leave again at 2am? These are some very persistent people who must REALLY love Empire.

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zuma (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:37 pm)

"MAGA country"? Downtown Chicago? Maybe he misheard them and they said "Packers country". Or "New York style pizza country". Both about as likely.

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wutwutwut (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:39 pm)

https://www.amazon.com/Smolletts-hoax-Stanford-language-literature/dp/B0006AUMRK

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:50 pm)

Someone noted that it would have been extremely cold last night too. Not exactly good stalking weather.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:07 pm)

I’m speculating on the location based on the hospital he drove to, the update that says the police took video from a nearby target and the proximity of a 24 hour subway restaurant. If that’s the location, google street view shows a crazy amount of nearby cameras because the subway is across from one bank and next to another bank. We should have the answer soon.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:16 pm)

Daily Mail is running a photo of the Smollet hate letters
Looks like a child crayoned it with a noose around the neck.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6645049/Empire-star-Jussie-Smollett-hospitalized-Chicago-premeditated-homophobic-attack.html

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walkingparadox (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

Two things I noticed.

1) His flight was delayed for 5 hours. If these guys were waiting for him, how would they know when he got in?

2) Why would you cut out letters to write a hateful message but then use handwriting on the front of the letter? That letter isn't suspicious at all with the "MAGA" return address.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:36 pm)

Are you thinking he drew the MAGA return address himself?

Why would someone do that though?
There was some incident where actor Zac Efron went to downtown LA and got beat up attempting to buy drugs.
From People
"SHOCKING ATTACK
Empire Star Jussie Smollett Hospitalized After "Allegedly" Being Attacked in Apparent Hate Crime"

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midlaw (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:09 pm)

There are trumptards within the city limits of Chicago? I thought they all lived in Daley and Exnite's neighborhoods.

Story seems like a cover, but we'll know soon enough.

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esquirewalletsmatter (Jan 29, 2019 - 7:29 pm)

Where were Dailey and EXNITE that morning?

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walkingparadox (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:16 pm)

Hmmmm, yeah, this isn't completely unbelievable at all.

Guy flies in from NYC that night. One would have to know to be expecting him.

Goes on walk to Subway in the freezing cold.

Two white guys happen to recognize him at night, in the freezing cold, from a show with what looks to be nearly an all black cast, if not completely so. They happen to recognize him as the one from the show who is gay, and isn't even a main character from what I can tell which means they must REALLY watch that show.

They happen to have ski masks, rope, and bleach (which magically didn't freeze in the bitter cold) at the ready. They also called out to him with slurs, and I guess he just stood there as two ski masked individuals taunted him and then attacked him. They also commit assault on him, but don't seem to have curb stomped him or grievously injured him. They were willing to do all that prep to find him, target him, only to threaten him and bust him up in the ribs? Then flee on foot into the freezing night in I assume full winter gear while allowing him to drive himself to the hospital?

How on earth could they could be waiting for him? What if he got an Uber?

This sounds beyond ridiculous.

I'd say the more likely thing is a drug deal gone wrong, an issue with his BF, or him cheating on his BF and the hookup going sideways.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

Today I learned bleach freezes.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:44 pm)

Lol apparently it does. So did these maga attackers have a special frost proof bleach?

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wutwutwut (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:49 pm)

Around 20 it does. So if it'd been sitting outside for a long while, maybe.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 4:49 pm)

Or it was retrieved from somewhere warm. That’s a pretty small piece of the puzzle.

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walkingparadox (Jan 29, 2019 - 5:12 pm)

It is a ridiculous detail. They fled on foot. Two guys running the streets of Chicago in ski masks, at 2am, in the middle of winter, with a noose and a jug of bleach?

They commit a serious crime but don't actually do any lasting harm. Rough him up, but don't grievously injury him. Pour bleach on him which isn't going to burn him skin unless he sits in it for hours. Use slurs, then identify themselves as MAGA supporters. Put him in a noose to....scare him? Then let him go?

It is like staging a bank robbery to prove you can do it and not actually steal any money. Why would you do that when you know the punishment if you get caught?

Streeterville, which is were this allegedly happened, is very upscale and has a ton of cameras.

The source the letter is this site, which I've never head of:

ThatGrapeJuice.Net first posted this letter which was sent to Fox Studios in Chicago with cut out letters spelling, "You will die black f**." Our sources say the letter was sent 8 days ago.


edit: Do you know how crazy the bleach sounds? It is freezing cold, let us say for the sake of argument it isn't frozen. You are going to try and twist the top off with your gloves while your buddy holds this guy as you fumble with the cap in the bitter cold? A gust of wind and you are spraying bleach all over yourself or your accomplice. Even talking is a pain in the cold and the wind.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 5:46 pm)

I’ve already expressed by skepticism at this story, but the “it was too cold to commit a hate crime” angle isn’t very high up on the list of reasons for my skepticism.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 5:59 pm)

"They happen to recognize him as the one from the show who is gay, and isn't even a main character from what I can tell which means they must REALLY watch that show."

He's a main character and his sexuality is a huge part of the show.

Empire was the biggest show on broadcast tv for a couple years very recently, not a stretch at all that he would be recognized by white guys.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:49 pm)

All black people look alike, especially to the MAGA crowd. You can’t be both a white supremacist and a connoisseur of black americana.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:57 pm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxOR3x8FBQ

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 7:25 pm)

Lol. The Spike Lee dolly shot. I like He Got Game better, but most Spike Lee movies have aged pretty well.

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whatnext (Jan 29, 2019 - 8:26 pm)

I can’t believe BlacKkKlansman is his first directing nomination.

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blackpappy (Jan 30, 2019 - 4:05 pm)

Mo Better Blues was without peer....

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walkingparadox (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:42 am)

A "main character" vs the main character? I have never watched but assumed Terrance Howard was the lead, and Taraji Henson was the 2nd or co-main. Am I wrong?

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:06 pm)

For them to have recognized him at 2am would be because they were stalking him. There's no way two random doofuses, carrying bleach and rope(or a noose, depending on which article you read), picked him out randomly for attack. If this happened, it was because they were looking specifically for him.

Well, Hollywood-at least twitter Hollywood-is pretty upset.
http://toofab.com/2019/01/29/twitter-outraged-over-toxic-disgusting-and-horrific-attack-on-jussie-smollett/

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:45 pm)

I looked on Jezebel and Huffpost. 5-10% of the comments said the story seemed fishy. Said commenters were not treated kindly.

I might very well be wrong and I hope Mr. Smollett is telling the truth. But there are too many yellow-flags for me to accept this at face value currently.

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superttthero (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:49 pm)

Part of the issue seems to be that TMZ and other sources embellished. The cops and newer stories say that nothing official (from him or cops) an out maga country or the show.

I'm not sure it's been confirmed that the substance was bleach or that the rope was anything more than some twine.

Two guys beating up a gay black guy is no issue. No issue with slurs. Still all believable. The parts that are crazy, as we discussed, seem like ones that the "news" (may have) embellished.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:54 pm)

Good point-the cops are treating this as a straight-up mugging with hate crime enhancers, all of which could be accurate. With no MAGA or tv show references, it's entirely possible to get violently mugged at 2am just about anywhere.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 29, 2019 - 6:55 pm)

I agree that if we take out the “this is MAGA country” and conclude the recent hate mail using similar language is a coincidence, then it’s not as suspicious.

But we’d still need to deal with Smollett being recognized at 2:00am on a Monday by two racists who had ski masks, rope and chemicals on hand to terrorize him, but not to the point of permanent damage and left him in a condition where he could drive to hospital. It’s not impossible but would still require a series of fortuitous events.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 7:50 pm)

TMZ is confirming the alleged victim told cops the "maga country" remark.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 8:40 pm)

Per TMZ:
"4:00 PM PT -- Chicago PD confirms to TMZ Jussie told them, in a follow-up interview, about the attackers yelling, "MAGA country."

They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM."

There was also a report that PD had obtained surveillance footage from a nearby store; no announcement on when/if that is relevant or will be released.

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anotherjd (Jan 29, 2019 - 8:48 pm)

Why keep the rope around your neck?

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walkingparadox (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:41 am)

Because he thinks it gives him more credibility. "LOOK, AND HERE IS THE ROPE THEY DID IT WITH STILL ON MY NECK!"

Instead, it does the opposite. It makes him look like an even bigger liar.

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wutwutwut (Jan 29, 2019 - 7:58 pm)

"Empire was the biggest show on broadcast tv"


Never heard of it until now.

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trickydick (Jan 29, 2019 - 11:01 pm)

You’re not alone. A lot of people don’t own televisions.

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wutwutwut (Jan 29, 2019 - 11:48 pm)

Haha. I have the tele. I just don't watch broadcast.


Speaking of broads, I asked my wife if she knew what "Empire" was, and she did not, either.

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wutwutwut (Jan 29, 2019 - 11:49 pm)

P.S. it apparently has a 6.6/10 rating on TV.com, so mayhap not quite so momentous as you and whatever think.

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trickydick (Jan 30, 2019 - 12:08 am)

I’ve never watched an episode. I was just agreeing with you that you are a special snowflake.

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wutwutwut (Jan 30, 2019 - 2:06 am)

It has a 6.6/10 rating on TV.com, so mayhap not quite so momentous as you and whatever think, brother snowflake.

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backfromthedead (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:28 am)

Cardi B has 41 MILLION instagram followers, you probably don't even have an account because special snowflakes communicate through osmosis which requires no password to remember

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trijocker (Jan 30, 2019 - 9:04 am)

How many JDUers follow Cardi B on Instagram here?
I don't really see JDU regs checking their follow/follow back app, when someone above has never even watched Empire on TV. If something is not known on JDU, it apparently does not even exist. Even odder, Empire is always advertised on NFL Fox Sundays, yet the show Empire is something no one has ever heard of here.

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backfromthedead (Jan 30, 2019 - 2:46 pm)

other than the fact Cardi B "dog walked" that Toni Lahren bubblehead on Fox News and US congressman were debating whether to retweet Cardi B's rants about the government shutdown and Trump / Mr Plumber tout Kanye as some sort of MAGA poster boy, no, there's no real relevance to any JDU regs but then who, other than other JDU regs, give a (CENSORED) about anything anybody has to say / posted on JDU, it's just one big circle jerk that once in a while has its humorous moments, which keeps it interesting

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trickydick (Jan 30, 2019 - 3:48 pm)

Empire’s marketing campaign has saturated every form of advertising: internet, television, radio, magazines, billboards, bench ads, the sides of buses. I’ve seen this crap advertised everywhere. The only person I could imagine who hasn’t been exposed to an ad for Empire would be someone who lives out in the country, uses no electronics, and never ventures far from home.

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trijocker (Jan 30, 2019 - 5:55 pm)

Yet you just described some of the luddites here.
It's amazing people are able to post, since some apparently don't watch any television, read a paper, or know about anything other than their day to day activities.
I can understand if people are living in a rural farm area, but I assume most here are working in urban areas, and fairly young, at least know what the gram is or some tv shows.

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superttthero (Jan 30, 2019 - 6:10 pm)

I would argue the more luddite the more you are likely to watch this stuff.

Having a good handle on tech actually lets you avoid the things you dont want to see and surround yourself with the stuff you like.

I have no reason to watch broadcast TV or their shows when I have access to everything else in the internet.

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wutwutwut (Jan 30, 2019 - 6:21 pm)

Yeah, this. My reading time is split between NYT, WAPO, and legal and political stuff. My TV viewing time is fairly sparse, but usually history, science, cooking channels, and I'll stop scanning anytime Shawshank Redemption is on. Not much sports except NCAA basketball and football if teams I like are ranked, and NFL once it gets winnowed down to championship games. None of the sports-watching is on broadcast TV, except whoever is carrying the championship game or superbowl.

Oh, and also for anything stored for later watching (which a lot of it is), I skip commercials of course.

Apparently some of those decrying "Luddites" don't DVR.

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trijocker (Jan 30, 2019 - 7:11 pm)

Are you married or have children in the home?
Cable has DVR, but still some of my fam wants to see the latest episode of Riverdale, for example. I don't watch Empire, but I've seen it a few times, enough to know the characters. Perhaps it's an old habit, because we still know people in the industry.
There's really never any quiet at my house, as I have several people who have tvs or streaming stuff on their devices nonstop. I don't have the luxury to just read a few things, and have quiet. One person usually has ESPN on nonstop, somebody else games, another watches more popular shows, like we had Rent running Sunday night.
Perhaps this is an incorrect assumption, but I would expect most of you to be in your twenties, be familiar with sports teams, what's on broadcast tv, current restaurants in your area. Maybe I am wrong.

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wutwutwut (Jan 31, 2019 - 3:46 pm)

I am familiar with my closest local sport teams and I know the restaurants in my area.

I am not sure what those things have to do with the instant topic.

I am not familiar with what's on my local broadcast TV stations. But then, I'm not in my 20s, so maybe that's why.

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cowgod (Jan 30, 2019 - 7:25 pm)

Live sports is how they getcha. The only reason I watch broadcast TV and therefore the only reason I know what Empire is.

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trijocker (Jan 30, 2019 - 7:35 pm)

Exactly, Cleatus the Robot on Fox NFL Sunday.
Always in a corner of the screen, showing some Fox show when you're trying to watch the game.

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trickydick (Jan 30, 2019 - 7:37 pm)

The only broadcast television I watch on a regular basis is an hour of the morning news before work. I also listen to radio stations on my drive to and from work. That by itself is more than enough to ensure I’ve seen or heard hundreds of commercials for this show over the last couple of years.

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wutwutwut (Jan 31, 2019 - 3:45 pm)

" ... radio stations on my drive to and from work... hundreds of commercials for this show"


I don't get this provincial mindset. Just because it happens for you doesn't mean it happens for everyone.


Surely you recognize that the (e.g.) radio advertising palette in LA or NYC or Chicago is quite different than that of Peoria, IL or Gainesville, FL or any other of a thousand smaller markets that are just large enough to have their own radio/TV stations.

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trijocker (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:15 pm)

I can't believe we are still arguing about whether you watched this tv show.
If you don't like tv, why speak up that you and your wife don't watch it?
It's OK if you don't like tv, but there are uber nerds that do like tv shows, read and comment about it, google it, there are numerous blogs on tv or reality shows.
I don't know whether you are a law professor or what you do irl, but OK we get it you are too intelligent to watch tv. But don't slam people for watching tv, because I see you on here and in the Dome just as much as anyone else; crap poasting is just a big a waste of time as tv watching, you're not writing a law journal here on JDU.
Gainesville has a lot of unique radio stations there for the college set btw.

GOOD LORD, MY WIFE AND I DO NOT WATCH EMPIRE!

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wutwutwut (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:30 pm)

I'm answering comments that are still discussing the issue (like yours, a few above, which appeared to be directed specifically to me).


"If you don't like tv... but OK we get it you are too intelligent to watch tv. But don't slam people for watching tv,"


WTF are you talking about? I didn't say that I don't watch tv, or that I hate tv, or slam people who watch tv.


It's weird you've gotten so butthurt about this that you feel it necessary to mischaracterize what I've said.

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trijocker (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:39 pm)

I don't know anything about you IRL, but your comments come off as if you or your wife don't know about it, it doesn't exist. I've seen people here discuss Thomas Ravenel and Southern Charm, for example. I did not see you pipe up and post GOOD LORD THE WIFE AND I DO NOT WATCH THAT SHOW, WHAT IS IT? I am not crying and butthurt as you put it, I just don't get you and why the tv show is such affront to your sensibilities, it's not porn. As Tricky pointed out, he's seen or heard ads for it, it is popular and has been renewed several seasons, I haven't watched it since season one, it wasn't a big draw personally. If you don't like a show, you don't have to watch. Similarly I don't pipe up and comment about every single issue here, if I don't know anything about it, nor have a genuine question.

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wutwutwut (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:32 pm)

"I just don't get you and why the tv show is such affront to your sensibilities"


Again, why do you feel the need to lie about what I've written here?


Show me where I've said that this show is an affront to my sensibilities? I merely said I'd never heard of it, whereupon you decide it is appropriate to label me a luddite.


Show me where I've said I don't like TV.


Show me where I've said I don't watch TV.


Show me where I've slammed people for watching TV.


Put up or shut up, but either way, stop lying about what I've written here.


Or keep making up fake stuff and strawmanning what I've written, I guess.


After all, it's a free country, neighbor.

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trickydick (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:52 pm)

“trickydick (Jan 30, 2019 - 3:48 pm)

Empire’s marketing campaign has saturated every form of advertising: internet, television, radio, magazines, billboards, bench ads, the sides of buses.”

If nothing else, I don’t know how anyone who uses the internet can avoid the flood of ads for this show.

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wutwutwut (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:38 pm)

"don’t know how anyone who uses the internet can avoid the flood of ads"


Srsly?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom?hl=en-US

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:11 am)

Seriously.

https://blog.acceptableads.com

https://blockadblock.com

But we’re all deeply impressed by the amount of effort you’ve put into avoiding hearing about this show.

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wutwutwut (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:21 am)

LoL, a "committee on acceptable ads".

Good stuff, kid.

LoL.

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:26 am)

Lol.

Way to ignore everything that contradicts whatever point you think you’re making.

Lol.

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wutwutwut (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:49 am)

That's your problem, neighbor. Nothing in your links contradicts anything.

But enjoy your little Lols and pretend that by pasting a couple of links that you've somehow "proven" something.


LoL indeed.


P.S. Now tell me about how you've never seen others on this forum talk about ad-free browsing.

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:09 pm)

You’ve spent a lot of energy trying to avoid hearing about a show you didn’t know existed. But in the end it was all worth it.

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toooldtocare (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:41 pm)

tricky-it's possible to have heard of the show and not know any of the characters, the general plot, etc. Scandal was all over the internet; I never watched so no idea who any of the characters were.
In this case, yeah heard of Empire, but until the reported attack couldn't have identified Smollets as starring in the show to save my life.

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blackpappy (Jan 30, 2019 - 4:07 pm)

Every black woman in America watches it; pretty much no one else does.

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esquirewalletsmatter (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:46 pm)

They always ask why I don’t watch it tbf

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 30, 2019 - 7:56 pm)

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Smollett was in his apartment. Smollett was “initially reluctant to call the police because of the attention it would draw, but that his manager eventually summoned authorities around 2:42 am after the attack.” Smollett then drove himself to the hospital for treatment of cuts on his face at the encouragement of the officers.

This again makes me more suspicious of the claim. This story was not meant for the police, it was meant for a friend/co-worker who then called the police for Smollett.

Police are expected to announce they have a person of interest, but no one matching the menancing description has been seen on camera yet.

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toooldtocare (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:26 pm)

According to NBC, responding CPD officers turned off their body cameras at Smollett's request, so no recording of that conversation. NBC also reports that 12 detectives have reviewed hundreds of hours of tape, and have identified "person of interest" they are now seeking.

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trijocker (Jan 30, 2019 - 8:40 pm)

It looks like they have photos of two persons of interest.
No photos of the attack, but just they were walking in the area at the time.
With all the homicides in Chicago, it's too bad they have to use detectives
to go and pull all the cameras looking for footage of this incident.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-empire-persons-of-interest-20190130-story.html

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 30, 2019 - 9:16 pm)

Means they aren’t out there shooting black kids. I’ll call that a win.

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trickydick (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:47 am)

Trump supporters are so ashamed of Trump’s failure to build a wall that they will consider proving Smollett’s story false an accomplishment for Trump. Pathetic.



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jorgedeclaro (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:05 pm)

Smollett’s manager told police that he was on the phone with Smollett when the attack occurred. Smollett is refusing to turn his phone over to the police.

Which is absolutely the correct answer. Anyone who turns their phone over to the police carte blanche is a fool.

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superttthero (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:07 pm)

I agree. But dont make big claims if you dont have big proof.... unless you're ok with skeptics.

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toooldtocare (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:32 pm)

They don't need his cell phone anyway; the manager's would be fine.
And they really don't need either-it takes minimal effort to get detailed cell phone records from the provider.

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cacrimdefense (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:30 pm)

Vladimir Putin colluded w/ white Christian school students to work this non-Anglo over while venting their bigoted hate. Anyone who believes otherwise was clearly not paying attention when Senator Clinton described half the supporters who would cast their votes for her most recent opponent.

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plumber (Feb 1, 2019 - 8:12 am)

According to Enty, he hooked up with these people through Grindr, and pictures of at least one of the people he met are on his phone. That is why he wouldn't turn the phone over to the police.

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trijocker (Feb 1, 2019 - 11:45 am)

If true, is he charged with filing a false police report?
Hundreds of police man hours wasted looking for the real attackers.
"No one in the CDAN fam bought this story"
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=37309174&postID=4908580423599345357&isPopup=true

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:10 pm)

Plumber knows the story is true because he was one of the guys Smollett met on Grindr.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:53 pm)

This would explain the “this is MAGA country” statement as well.

Plumber, where have you been since being released from detainment by the Mueller team? Chicago?

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toooldtocare (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:41 pm)

He's been working hard for the democratic party.

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walkingparadox (Feb 17, 2019 - 11:19 am)

Feb has been slow. We were averaging a BS story a week in Jan.

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