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National Popular Vote Compact

We are a little closer now, thanks to Colorado. It only goes frida201/30/19
New Mexico also working on it. The next states to work o frida201/30/19
Yeah, it’s all ready to go ... except the part about it be cacrimdefense01/31/19
No, it's not. Although it could be if done by ballot initiat frida201/31/19
"Each State shall appoint, --in such Manner as the Legislatu therewillbeblood01/31/19
Which is what the legislature is doing by enacting the natio jorgedeclaro01/31/19
It may be unconstitutional. It may violate the requirement t rastaman01/31/19
not Sure how you would conclude that directing the state’s jorgedeclaro01/31/19
Again, if the law said the the state legislature would vote rastaman01/31/19
I can't get too strongly behind (or against this). It seems superttthero01/31/19
"Our team didn't win! I know, dismantle the system!" JFC captain01/31/19
Democrats have won 6 of the last 7 popular votes for Preside frida201/31/19
frida2 (Jan 30, 2019 - 9:07 am)

We are a little closer now, thanks to Colorado. It only goes into effect when 270 electoral votes are on board. Right now 172 electoral votes are on board.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/colorado/articles/2019-01-29/colorado-dems-advance-bill-on-national-popular-vote-pact

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frida2 (Jan 30, 2019 - 9:13 am)

New Mexico also working on it.

The next states to work on are Oregon, Delaware, Nevada and Maine.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1090429080942522369?s=19

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cacrimdefense (Jan 31, 2019 - 12:59 pm)

Yeah, it’s all ready to go ... except the part about it being unconstitutional.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 1:09 pm)

No, it's not. Although it could be if done by ballot initiative. State's legislators pledge their electoral votes as they please. Most do it as winner take all, but two states allocate their electoral votes proportionally. Either way is constitutional. Each state can allocate as they want. The Compact is just an agreement between states, that is only in effect if enough states are doing it to ensure that the popular vote winner always wins.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 31, 2019 - 1:53 pm)

"Each State shall appoint, --in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct--, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:16 pm)

Which is what the legislature is doing by enacting the national popular vote compact. It’s constitutional.

The only part of it that doesn’t work is the “this agreement is a contract between the member states. As a contract, this agreement is governed by the legal principles applicable to contracts.” So specific performance? Damages? I don’t think that works.

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rastaman (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:30 pm)

It may be unconstitutional. It may violate the requirement that states guarantee a republican (Democratic) form of govt. Allocating all of a States electoral votes in clear violation of how the ppl vote, may violate this principal.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:54 pm)

not Sure how you would conclude that directing the state’s electoral college votes to the winner of the popular vote would make the states no longer a republican form of government. The state would still have a legislature and executive voted by the people. States don’t even have to allow people to vote for president. The constitution provides that state legislatures get to determine which electors get appointed to the electoral college. The state by law could allow the legislature to pick the electors.

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rastaman (Jan 31, 2019 - 3:31 pm)

Again, if the law said the the state legislature would vote to allocate electors, no issue with that.

This compact however, would dictate where State 1’s electors go, based primarily on the decision made in states 2-51 (DC). That isn’t fair to the people of state 1. They have a right to have their electors allocated based upon some form of republican (Democratic) representation. Legislators voting, winner take all, proportional allocation all fit this mold. Allowing California, Texas, Florida, and New York to dictate doesn’t seem like the people in the smaller states would have a say in the electoral college, thus possibly violating the constitution.

Remember, we live in a federal republic where the states have rights and the minorities have protections, at the federal level.

Hey, I don’t like trump either, but this isn’t the right “trick” to use. If California wants more senate and electoral college representation, it should lobby congress to approve a plan to break the state up into multiple states. That’s clearly not unconstitutional and would not require an amendment.

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superttthero (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:00 pm)

I can't get too strongly behind (or against this). It seems like an issue that could rally either side depending on whether or not they were the ones that got bit in the butt.

I don't see an issue with the EC because I guess I always visualized it as a weighted election by the states. Sucks Trump won, but it's not enough to make me want to change a system I like.

Also, I think this system will benefit the GOP (a direct election-like process). With effectively a national election, it gives the GOP a much easier road to find new votes. The GOP can find a lot of new votes in major metro areas by concentrating their efforts. They already own rural, south, and large swaths of land to the west (sans the west coast). For the dems to find new ground, they'll have to somehow try to blanket the entire country that's red. That's going to be a lot of large areas to pick up a few votes in each one of the tens of thousands of podunk towns across the country.

It just seems to me like a knee-jerk reaction not really considering the reason for the EC or the unintended consequences--my 2 cents.

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captain (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:02 pm)

"Our team didn't win! I know, dismantle the system!"

JFC what a bunch of directionless boobs.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:49 pm)

Democrats have won 6 of the last 7 popular votes for President. This isn't a reaction to one election.

It would be interesting to see how it would effect turnout. There are people who don't vote because of the electoral college.

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