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2020: How will the Democrats mess up?

The election is on a silver platter. The economy probably w doublefriedchicken01/31/19
Probably by insisting on running a woman or URM and making i trickydick01/31/19
Joe Biden and Kamala as VP would be a good dem ticket trijocker02/01/19
They will probably mess it up with insisting that Kamala Har cocolawyer02/01/19
The far left AOC types won’t be enthused about Kamal Harri irishlaw01/31/19
They don’t matter much since they’re concentrated in saf therewillbeblood02/01/19
They're already forming the circular firing squad-but in a b toooldtocare01/31/19
The general election is a year and 9 months away. Literally frida201/31/19
I think the biggest mistake they could make is to assume the drewprocess01/31/19
We have to assume it's trump, but I hope you are right. frida201/31/19
One of the big mistakes Democrats could make is focusing too frida201/31/19
In WaPo/ABC poll published two days ago, voters were asked i frida201/31/19
Trump sucks. Not even the Dems can screw this up. midlaw01/31/19
Have some faith-no group on modern political history has suc toooldtocare01/31/19
This graph of men vs. Women on various trump questions is am frida201/31/19
I absolutely hate Trump and have always voted democrat. I wo gladigotaphdinstead01/31/19
What's "a woman like her" mean? Seriously lol and nobody car frida201/31/19
Misogynists? Hillary didnt even win over white women. If dem bigwags02/01/19
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2016 is ancient history. May as well have been 20 years ago. frida202/01/19
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Harris is 100% my last choice, but I’d vote for her over T whatnext01/31/19
Meant to finish still hope Klobuchar runs on a "You spend ev whatnext01/31/19
I really hope Amy Klobuchar runs. I was trying to figure frida201/31/19
Both Warren and Harris made huge mistakes right out of the g brokelawyer02/01/19
If things go in the fashion that they are (there’s certain cacrimdefense02/01/19
180 jstalin02/11/19
Dems already splitting the ticket, no clear front runner Re trijocker02/01/19
This makes Kristen Gillibrand look really good. This is what frida202/01/19
Agreed! It was a smart maneuver being courteous to Booker. N cacrimdefense02/01/19
They’re already screwing it up by rolling out socialists a exnite02/01/19
Oh noes! Wealthy republicans in the Chicago suburbs might vo midlaw02/01/19
Only to people on the receiving end, not to people who’s i exnite02/01/19
Luckily that’s only like 0.001% of the population. So who gladigotaphdinstead02/01/19
They’ll end up going after everybody making over $100K, be exnite02/01/19
You have no idea whether the Green New Deal is horsesh!t. Th jorgedeclaro02/01/19
So I guess we get to see it after they pass it. How’d that exnite02/01/19
No, they’re only talking about taxing ultra rich people no gladigotaphdinstead02/01/19
You know nothing about economics bigwags02/01/19
What the hell is your PhD in?? exnite02/01/19
Drag queen state of the union. Post-birth abortion. That’s jorgedeclaro02/01/19
Trying to pull off “tasteful” blackface. That would be a jorgedeclaro02/01/19
Trump won the electoral college by less than 0.01% of votes trickydick02/01/19
Besides being a woman, why does warren suck? If she was tran gladigotaphdinstead02/01/19
She’s a Massachusetts liberal. That doesn’t play in the brokelawyer02/01/19
This. She basically stands for putting more restrictions on trickydick02/01/19
So you’re going back to tricky down economics? This punish gladigotaphdinstead02/02/19
Why is the rest of the country so antipathetic towards Massa gladigotaphdinstead02/01/19
Somehow this thread turned into a Super Bowl pregame discuss brokelawyer02/01/19
Stop trolling. trickydick02/01/19
She sucks because she’s a fraud and a Marxist. Also, a lac cacrimdefense02/01/19
Ayn Rand predicted the rise of the MAGA MAN, perfect in ever backfromthedead02/02/19
2020: How will the Democrats mess up? Easy. The SAME way catwoman33302/02/19
Yeah, this is pretty much it-with an emphasis on "blowing th toooldtocare02/11/19
BTW, Schultz is on CNN tomorrow (Tues.) night, in a Town Hal catwoman33302/11/19
... exnite02/05/19
Hopefully, the primary debates will center on exactly when y doublefriedchicken02/05/19
How will they screw it up? Elizabeth Warren rastaman02/11/19

doublefriedchicken (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:38 pm)

The election is on a silver platter. The economy probably won't be great, everyone is tired of Trump's antics and the Russian thing will probably have some meat.

So, how will the Democrats screw this up?

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trickydick (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:42 pm)

Probably by insisting on running a woman or URM and making it about that. Just run an old white guy and potential Trump voters will let down their guard.

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trijocker (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:35 pm)

Joe Biden and Kamala as VP would be a good dem ticket

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cocolawyer (Feb 1, 2019 - 3:18 pm)

They will probably mess it up with insisting that Kamala Harris be the front runner...or god forbid Hillary gets back in the mix.

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irishlaw (Jan 31, 2019 - 5:02 pm)

The far left AOC types won’t be enthused about Kamal Harris.

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therewillbeblood (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:09 pm)

They don’t matter much since they’re concentrated in safe blue states.

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toooldtocare (Jan 31, 2019 - 5:37 pm)

They're already forming the circular firing squad-but in a break from the past, it's the local/state democrats who are going to tube 2020. It appeared, to me at least, that the democrat success in the House races was related to two things: the voters' dislike of Trump, and the democrats focusing on issues that matter to voters, like healthcare and education(as in generally improving it for all). So instead of focusing on things like healthcare and education, local dems are focusing on abortion(VA/NY) and sex education in public schools(CO). Unbelievable.
Not that the declared candidates aren't doing their part, with one day Harris saying she'll basically outlaw private health insurance with her Medicare for all plan, then completely walking that back the next day. Not a good look for someone with an alleged command of the issues.
And yes, if Shultz runs as an independent(assuming he does it right and spends the money to get on most or all of the states' ballots) he'll siphon off enough votes to insure victory for the Donald.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:18 pm)

The general election is a year and 9 months away. Literally nothing Democrats are doing right now is screwing up their chances a year and 9 months from now. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it's not happening now.

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drewprocess (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:40 pm)

I think the biggest mistake they could make is to assume they are running against Trump and then the Republicans pull the plug on Trump from impeachment, resignation or simply a deal not to run again, and then the Republicans are running someone else. I mean, sure Trump is stupid and racist and corrupt and a serial rapist, but this isn't Trump running, it is Nikki Haley, or John Kasich, or someone else; maybe Romney or the gov of Maryland. It would be the smart move for Republicans to dump Trump now - and although they have not been too smart lately they could certainly come to their senses soon.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 7:34 pm)

We have to assume it's trump, but I hope you are right.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:56 pm)

One of the big mistakes Democrats could make is focusing too much on the Presidency. Democrats could easily take back the Senate in 2020, and hold the House! How sweet would that be. The Presidency is a real crapshoot, especially with the electoral college. But, Democrats want a presidential candidate that will inspire people to come out to vote, win or lose, because that helps the down ballot. Someone inspiring. I think it's Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren that is most likely to inspire turnout. Also, I know it's hard to see it if you are thinking about 2016, but I don't think trump will be able to successfully attack a female candidate. Now that we have him figured out, we're just not intimidated. Donald's balls are in Nancy's purse. Any good woman is learning a lesson about how to deal with trump from watching Nancy Pelosi.

For reasons that I don't understand, men still have some respect for trump, but women don't. The gender gap is Yuge in how trump is perceived. Women think he's a joke.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 7:25 pm)

In WaPo/ABC poll published two days ago, voters were asked if they would definitely NOT vote for trump. Below is the % saying they would definitely NOT vote for Trump in 2020. Check out the white women numbers!

Voters: 56%
Independents: 59%
White men non-college: 32%
White women non-college: 47%
White men college+: 46%
White women college+: 65% (!)
Black: 90%
Hispanic: 76%
Suburban: 56%

Here's the numbers with just male/female, all races and education levels together.

NEW WashPost/ABC Poll

Vote to re-elect Trump?

(all)
Definitely Yes: 28%
Consider: 14%
Definitely No: 56%

(among independents)
Definitely Yes: 18%
Consider: 21%
Definitely No: 59%

(among women)
Definitely Yes: 20%
Consider: 15%
Definitely No: 64%

https://t.co/cPaIK94Kf6

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midlaw (Jan 31, 2019 - 7:37 pm)

Trump sucks. Not even the Dems can screw this up.

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toooldtocare (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:35 pm)

Have some faith-no group on modern political history has such a proven track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 7:48 pm)

This graph of men vs. Women on various trump questions is amazing.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1089859863793057792?



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gladigotaphdinstead (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:31 pm)

I absolutely hate Trump and have always voted democrat. I would vote for trump over Kamala Harris to send a message. Think real hard if you want the democrats to nominate a woman like her.

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 11:26 pm)

What's "a woman like her" mean? Seriously lol and nobody cares what the misogynists think. The misogynists will not be coddled and can vote for trump.

But, I'm not committed to voting for her. It depends on how she does in Iowa and New Hampshire. If I'm really good, I'll wait until after we have the South Carolina results. I usually vote early, but I want to wait for South Carolina results. I want to vote for the most viable female candidate. We will have a better idea who that is after a few states vote. I'm glad California is in the first super Tuesday, but I'm glad I'll have some real data (what dudes on message boards think is not real data) regarding viability before I make my final decision.

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bigwags (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:19 pm)

Misogynists? Hillary didnt even win over white women. If dems want to win they have to bring the black vote back out in Detroit, Cleveland/Cincy, Philly, etc. That means Cory Booker. Otherwise those 80k+ votes in those states Hill needed are staying home again.

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bigwags (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:21 pm)

 



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frida2 (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:33 pm)

2016 is ancient history. May as well have been 20 years ago.

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bigwags (Feb 1, 2019 - 1:08 pm)

 



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whatnext (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:34 pm)

Harris is 100% my last choice, but I’d vote for her over Trump.

Still hop

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whatnext (Jan 31, 2019 - 11:33 pm)

Meant to finish still hope Klobuchar runs on a "You spend every day thinking about me" platform.

Not still hop

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frida2 (Jan 31, 2019 - 11:41 pm)

I really hope Amy Klobuchar runs.

I was trying to figure out if hop was an acronym I didn't know.

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brokelawyer (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:00 pm)

Both Warren and Harris made huge mistakes right out of the gate, with Warren claiming to be Cherokee and Harris stating she would cancel everybody’s insurance. This does not inspire confidence.

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cacrimdefense (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:10 pm)

If things go in the fashion that they are (there’s certainly time for things to change), it will be difficult for Democrats to collect enough electoral votes to deny Trump a second term. They are out crazy-ing each other to appeal to a base that is well left of average American voters. When “#RaceTogether” Schultz and Michael Bloomberg are the adults in the room, the Democrats are setting themselves up to further alienate voters they lost in 2016 that would have put Billary over the top.

Medicare for all, a “Green New Deal” and legalizing Gosnell variety homicides will not sell any more successfully in the Midwest than did Clinton’s “deplorables” speech during the last go round.

The White House aspirants will butcher each other through the primaries. Whichever one prevails will be dragged into a slugfest w/ Trump, the likes of which no challenger has been able to survive to date.

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jstalin (Feb 11, 2019 - 3:31 pm)

180

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trijocker (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:18 pm)

Dems already splitting the ticket, no clear front runner
Remember all the GOP infighting and debates last election?
Look for the same thing when Gillibrand v Warren v Kamala v Schulz v Booker and whoever else
get into one huge pissy catfight and no true leader emerges from the fighting.
This hands the election over to Trump on a silver platter.

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frida2 (Feb 1, 2019 - 12:35 pm)

This makes Kristen Gillibrand look really good. This is what real life Democrats are doing, as opposed to what anonymous on-line boards think Democrats are doing.

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/1091334372689612800

Congratulations and welcome to the race to one of my closest friends, @corybooker! I'll be cheering you on—just, you know, not TOO hard. https://t.co/zeWskppQpv

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cacrimdefense (Feb 1, 2019 - 1:43 pm)

Agreed! It was a smart maneuver being courteous to Booker. No one wants Spartacus to prematurely jettison any of those “tears of rage” before he has the president squarely in his sights.

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exnite (Feb 1, 2019 - 1:51 pm)

They’re already screwing it up by rolling out socialists and communists who are intent on redistributing wealth: Booker, Kamala, Bernie, Tulsi etc and sending out AOC and Omar as trial balloons to see whether socialism and confiscatory taxation will fly.

It won’t.

https://news.yahoo.com/rep-ilhan-omar-supports-taxing-wealthiest-americans-90-135004259.html

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midlaw (Feb 1, 2019 - 2:17 pm)

Oh noes! Wealthy republicans in the Chicago suburbs might vote for trump!

Redistribution is massively popular.

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exnite (Feb 1, 2019 - 3:39 pm)

Only to people on the receiving end, not to people who’s incomes are being “redistributed”...

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:51 pm)

Luckily that’s only like 0.001% of the population. So who will win the majority vote given its 99.999 vs .001? I’m having trouble doing the math.

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exnite (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:18 pm)

They’ll end up going after everybody making over $100K, because that’s where the money is. Even taxing the .001% out of existence won’t raise much, certainly not enough to pay for socialized medicine, free college and all that Green New Deal Horsesh!t

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:33 pm)

You have no idea whether the Green New Deal is horsesh!t. The proposal is make a committee to come up with a New Green Deal. It’s a plan to make a plan.

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exnite (Feb 1, 2019 - 9:59 pm)

So I guess we get to see it after they pass it. How’d that work out last time?

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 1, 2019 - 7:22 pm)

No, they’re only talking about taxing ultra rich people not even regular rich people let alone average middle class people, you lying old bastard. But let’s pretend they were/would for just a second.

If they did that, then basically everyone would become poor, which would adjust spending way down and the country would become extremely equal and the COL would have to go way down. It would probably be a better place overall.

But that would be a massive societal disruption and send shockwaves through the entire globe that would last a decade at least. Taxing the bejesus out of a couple thousand ultra rich people would have zero net negative consequences. Would probably cause a huge bull run that would last decades in fact as incomes soared and consumer spending skyrocketed

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bigwags (Feb 1, 2019 - 9:28 pm)

You know nothing about economics

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exnite (Feb 1, 2019 - 9:57 pm)

What the hell is your PhD in??

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 1, 2019 - 2:13 pm)

Drag queen state of the union. Post-birth abortion. That’s about it.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 1, 2019 - 7:04 pm)

Trying to pull off “tasteful” blackface. That would be another tough one.

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:02 pm)

Trump won the electoral college by less than 0.01% of votes distributed across three states and lost the popular vote. If he gets 62 million votes and his opponent wins 65 million votes in 2020, from a statistical standpoint he’s likely to lose barring another bizarre vote distribution. It’s extremely difficult to lose the popular vote but still win the electoral vote.

Trump is under pressure to get more votes.

As it stands now, there’s little reason for anyone who refused to vote for him in 2016 to have changed their mind since then. He’s accomplished nothing while in office. On the other hand, those voters who cast their ballots for him in 2016 hoping he would implement meaningful change now have reason to try their luck with someone else.

That said, with the exception of Biden, all the Democratic candidates so far suck.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:15 pm)

Besides being a woman, why does warren suck? If she was transformed into Beto’s body I think she would be a good candidate.

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brokelawyer (Feb 1, 2019 - 6:23 pm)

She’s a Massachusetts liberal. That doesn’t play in the rest of the country (cf Mike Dukakis, John Kerry, etc)

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 7:31 pm)

This. She basically stands for putting more restrictions on the free market and punishing people trying to make money. I suppose there’s this idea that this “populist” bent will play well because Trump has used it to such great effect. But Trump is a dumbass, so there’s that.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 2, 2019 - 1:13 am)

So you’re going back to tricky down economics? This punishin people who try to make money nonsense? You’re usually better than this

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 1, 2019 - 7:59 pm)

Why is the rest of the country so antipathetic towards Massachusetts? Massachusetts is a beacon of truth and enlightenment in a dark winter of our times. Yes, we are better educated and wiser than the rest of them, but should they not aspire to be like us and gratefully let, nay request us to lead them into a better and brighter tomorrow where prosperity is broadly shared rather than gobbled up for the few at the expense of the many?

Whether he be liberal or conservative in his leanings, a man from Massachusetts should first and foremost be regarded by that great characteristic and ye citizens of lesser states should feel blessèd to bear witness upon his great countenance and stand in his presence. For he is a man, a man of Massachusetts.

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brokelawyer (Feb 1, 2019 - 8:50 pm)

Somehow this thread turned into a Super Bowl pregame discussion of Tom Brady

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trickydick (Feb 1, 2019 - 10:08 pm)

Stop trolling.

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cacrimdefense (Feb 1, 2019 - 10:13 pm)

She sucks because she’s a fraud and a Marxist. Also, a lack of charm and personality hurts in modern campaigns.

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backfromthedead (Feb 2, 2019 - 1:31 am)

Ayn Rand predicted the rise of the MAGA MAN, perfect in every way ceptin' for the fact that women don't wanna be spawning his progeny, at least not the good lookin' ones



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catwoman333 (Feb 2, 2019 - 1:34 am)

2020: How will the Democrats mess up?

Easy. The SAME way they lost in 2016: They will run ANOTHER exclusively or primarily ID-based campaign solely based on checking the "right" PC boxes, pandering to minorities, illegal immigrants, all while ignoring broader, more unifying "bread and butter" issues that appeal to most American citizens, like jobs, health care, rising cost of living, thus blowing the electoral college by once again alienating the independents, moderates (dem and repub), whites, and older voters. The more pertinent Q should be: WHEN will the Democrats ever LEARN from the past???

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toooldtocare (Feb 11, 2019 - 3:44 pm)

Yeah, this is pretty much it-with an emphasis on "blowing the electoral college." So the democrat, like Hillary, will get the higher % of the popular vote, and really swamp Trump in NY and CA. Big deal. The nominee will need to win several states Hillary lost, and with the democrats racing to the left for the primaries, that's not likely to happen. And if Shultz runs...well, then Trump may win the popular vote too, as all the anti-Trump voters, instead of voting for the democrat, will have another choice.

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catwoman333 (Feb 11, 2019 - 10:36 pm)

BTW, Schultz is on CNN tomorrow (Tues.) night, in a Town Hall format. I wonder how much the Dems. will pay him to drop out of the race. Of course, he could draw equally from the GOP and Dem. Party. That would be real interesting. But I think he's just in it--like most of them--for media attention to stroke his ego.

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exnite (Feb 5, 2019 - 2:43 pm)

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doublefriedchicken (Feb 5, 2019 - 4:50 pm)

Hopefully, the primary debates will center on exactly when you can't kill the baby.

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rastaman (Feb 11, 2019 - 9:42 pm)

How will they screw it up?

Elizabeth Warren

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