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Was it wrong for Elizabeth Warren to i.d. as Native American?

She put Native American on her bar card, and got some good p trijocker02/10/19
Well, she definitely needs to stop claiming it now. But acco frida202/10/19
No it’s not. Your own post says how many ppl believe they rastaman02/10/19
I know it's not a rarity. That's what I said. My own grandfa frida202/10/19
Maybe you are Cheyenne or Chippewa Just for fun you could r trijocker02/10/19
Sorry. Misread. rastaman02/10/19
People think the Apache are too bloodthirsty And the tribe trijocker02/10/19
Because of the Jeep drglennrichie02/10/19
I know a man who swears his great great grandpa played ball gladigotaphdinstead02/10/19
Blackface is also not a rarity. Especially in virginia. So n drglennrichie02/10/19
An interesting question, really. Was it wrong for blacks to brokelawyer02/10/19
Growing up, I knew lots of kids who said they had Cherokee h wutwutwut02/10/19
I think its the opposite. My experience is these people you persius02/10/19
I don't disagree with you that she doesn't have a great shot wutwutwut02/10/19
In other words, you're asking: "Is LYING 'wrong'"?? OBVIOUSL catwoman33302/10/19
This gets lost a lot, but it’s very important. It’s not jorgedeclaro02/10/19
Apparently Rob Lowe had to delete his tweet about Warren re trijocker02/10/19
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/eli zabeth-warren-is-a-fraud- exnite02/10/19
Her degrees from UH and Rutgers disqualify her for Harvard rastaman02/10/19
I don’t get how making fun of Warren for lying about being brokelawyer02/12/19
I don't think going after Warren is racist if you refrain fr frida202/12/19
I agree with this. It’s not racist to make fun of Elizabet jorgedeclaro02/12/19
It's not racist to Warren, but it's racist to Indians to ref frida202/12/19
I disagree that’s it’s racist to native Americans to mak jorgedeclaro02/12/19
This is rather small potatoes. Being Native American does n drewprocess02/12/19
I doubt any Democrats will attack her on this. Trump has al anotherjd02/12/19
Of course it was wrong for her to lie about her race in orde plumber02/12/19
Again, plumber is correct; we all should be voting for solid toooldtocare02/12/19
Don't forget G.W. Bush and the Texas Air National Guard At trijocker02/12/19
Did President Trump ever lie about his military service or c plumber02/12/19
He lied to get out of serving in the military-and besides, h toooldtocare02/12/19
"What do you call his thousands of er, confabulations, since plumber02/12/19
So what's your point-that Trump is an unreconstructed coward toooldtocare02/12/19
Dopeahontas is done. Put a hatchet in her and bury her at L catwoman33302/12/19
So, who do you like as (D) 2020 candidates? wutwutwut02/12/19
Good question-who is going to break out of an ever-increasin toooldtocare02/12/19
I feel it's far too early to decide on a definite candidate catwoman33302/12/19
"the DNC leadership behind closed doors, in defiance of rank whatnext02/12/19
FACT: Hillary was crowned in a RIGGED primary by the DNC (o catwoman33302/13/19
My point is rank and file Democrats had their choice and mad whatnext02/13/19
The DNC will not select the 2020 nominee. The Democratic par frida202/13/19
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/ status/109544509107697664 gazoo02/12/19
... gazoo02/14/19

trijocker (Feb 10, 2019 - 9:00 am)

She put Native American on her bar card, and got some good professor jobs.
Yet she had no Tribal registration, which is required when you now apply to law school as Native.
Or is it OK to put down whatever you feel like is your race like Rachel Dolezal?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/07/elizabeth-warren-apology-native-american-identification/2799395002/

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-native-americans-react-to-apology-from-warren/26242841

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frida2 (Feb 10, 2019 - 11:12 am)

Well, she definitely needs to stop claiming it now. But according to this article there are 344,700 Cherokee, but nonetheless:

"Recent demographic data reveals the extent to which Americans believe they’re part Cherokee. In 2000, the federal census reported that 729,533 Americans self-identified as Cherokee. By 2010, that number increased, with the Census Bureau reporting that 819,105 Americans claimed at least one Cherokee ancestor. "

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html


Self-identifying as Indian when you're not is not a rarity.

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rastaman (Feb 10, 2019 - 1:34 pm)

No it’s not. Your own post says how many ppl believe they are native. Lol! As an actual native, ppl tell me all the time their grandmother was a Cherokee princess. Not sure why Cherokee is the tribe they ALWAYS select. Lololol

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frida2 (Feb 10, 2019 - 1:47 pm)

I know it's not a rarity. That's what I said. My own grandfather on my mom's side said he had an Indian grandma too. He was from Montana. I have no idea if it's true. I've never written American Indian as my race or claimed that heritage, but Indian heritage is a super common myth for some reason.

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trijocker (Feb 10, 2019 - 1:58 pm)

Maybe you are Cheyenne or Chippewa
Just for fun you could run your DNA through ancestry.
It will show up if you have Native American DNA.

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rastaman (Feb 10, 2019 - 4:49 pm)

Sorry. Misread.

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trijocker (Feb 10, 2019 - 1:56 pm)

People think the Apache are too bloodthirsty
And the tribe near my hometown, the Chumash, people think are too mellow.
So a good selection is to say Cherokee, their descendants scattered far and away.
It would be too obscure to claim Tlingit, for example, unless you were in Seattle or Canada.

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drglennrichie (Feb 10, 2019 - 4:49 pm)

Because of the Jeep

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gladigotaphdinstead (Feb 10, 2019 - 7:13 pm)

I know a man who swears his great great grandpa played ball in the Iroquois League.

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drglennrichie (Feb 10, 2019 - 4:50 pm)

Blackface is also not a rarity. Especially in virginia. So no big deal.

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brokelawyer (Feb 10, 2019 - 12:16 pm)

An interesting question, really. Was it wrong for blacks to attempt to “pass” as white 100 years ago? If a person sees some advantage in lying about their ancestry, who are they hurting? I guess you could say they are diluting the race, thus diminishing the advantages to the “true” members of the race. But that sounds extremely nazi.

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wutwutwut (Feb 10, 2019 - 12:57 pm)

Growing up, I knew lots of kids who said they had Cherokee heritage - similar to what Frida2 mentions. Some of them looked as white as snow, others you'd look at and think, "yeah, I can see that". These were all based on family lore, same as Warren's.

This is not going to sink her candidacy in the primaries. People are already fatigued on this issue. Trump will send out his usual clownish tweets, but I think that'll be the extent of it.

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persius (Feb 10, 2019 - 2:22 pm)

I think its the opposite. My experience is these people you are talking about know better than anyone she did it to game affirmative action. It was common, but it was also common to know exactly what percentage was necessary to claim to be native in order to receive tribal benefits like free land, free health care, and free college tuition. I think the most lenient tribes were like 25%. At a minimum she was fully aware she could not claim native american by the tribal standards.

I don't think she has even a remote chance even if Pocahontas-gate never happened though.

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wutwutwut (Feb 10, 2019 - 4:45 pm)

I don't disagree with you that she doesn't have a great shot in any event. But I think you over estimate how many people are truly politically aware. Everyone posting here, sure. We're paying attention. But most of the others are going to go back to their football (either one) or nascar or whatever and stop paying much attention once the smoke clears and the media has decided to direct Americans' attention to something else to sell clicks.

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catwoman333 (Feb 10, 2019 - 2:09 pm)

In other words, you're asking: "Is LYING 'wrong'"?? OBVIOUSLY...YES. And--in the Internet Age of easy, instant verification of (false) claims and access to embarrassing old documents--it's beyond stupid.
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"This is not going to sink her candidacy in the primaries. People are already fatigued on this
issue. Trump will send out his usual clownish tweets, but I think that'll be the extent of it."

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Dude, she's DONE. Yes, people ARE "fatigued"--sick and tired of phony, slick, pollster/focus group-tested politicians like Warren, who present a phony façade completely at odds with the truth and reality. It makes voters wonder, "If she has a history of lies throughout life to get ahead, even about something basic and obvious, she can't be trusted to tell us the truth. WTH else is she hiding/lying about??" The BIGGEST complaint I hear from voters about politicians in general is: "WTH can't they just be HONEST--about ANYTHING???" It's a character issue.

Warren did the damage to herself. She could have easily put this "issue" to rest MONTHS AGO by simply acknowledging then that "Yes, I lied about my race to boost my career prospects along time ago. I was a divorced, single mom and desperate for a job to support my child. I'm embarrassed, sorry, etc." Most voters would have probably forgiven her and moved on because they realize everyone has done embarrassing, dumb things in life.

What killed her credibility and shot at becoming POTUS isn't her earlier lies, but her idiotic responses when Qs arose about them: 1) her "strategy" to attack those who questioned the veracity of her claims 2) finally taking a belated DNA test that she surely knew would prove she has near-zero Indian DNA, 3) her decision, post-DNA test, to engage in a protracted discussion, even with REAL Indians, of what constitutes Indian identity (DNA proof vs. "official" tribal membership) because she obviously fails BOTH criteria.

Yes, her opponents will exploit this issue, but everything is fair game in politics, and this is a mess entirely of her own making (not unlike Hillary's home computer/unsecured emails or Trump's refusal to use a blind trust or release his taxes). If she lacks the good sense to be able to move beyond this issue in a credible, proactive, effective manner, then she probably lacks the qualities to be a good POTUS.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 10, 2019 - 2:49 pm)

This gets lost a lot, but it’s very important. It’s not that big of a deal that Rachael Dozeal feels like a black person. It takes different strokes to move the world.

The problem is she sent herself hate mail on like a dozen of occasions. She was a huckster perpetrating hate crime hoaxes. Inciting racial tensions and terrorizing her own children who thought it was real. She is a garbage, garbage human.

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trijocker (Feb 10, 2019 - 4:33 pm)

Apparently Rob Lowe had to delete his tweet about Warren
referring to her as "Chief"; Lowe is a big GOP backer.
Either she can't call herself Native American, or she is being made fun of for the claim.

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Rob-Lowe-deletes-tweet-saying-Elizabeth-Warren-13605239.php

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exnite (Feb 10, 2019 - 9:37 pm)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-is-a-fraud-her-lies-about-being-native-american-disqualify-her-from-presidency-senate

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rastaman (Feb 10, 2019 - 9:47 pm)

Her degrees from UH and Rutgers disqualify her for Harvard

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brokelawyer (Feb 12, 2019 - 3:07 am)

I don’t get how making fun of Warren for lying about being Cherokee is “racism.” She was condemned by the Cherokee Nation, and hopefully making fun of her will discourage others from such shameless appropriation. Besides that, I’m pretty sure racism against white people isn’t a thing.

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frida2 (Feb 12, 2019 - 8:52 am)

I don't think going after Warren is racist if you refrain from words like scalp, trail (of tears), and Pocahontas. But, I don't think any of this moves the needle. People already decided a long time ago how they feel about trump's racism.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 12, 2019 - 9:31 am)

I agree with this. It’s not racist to make fun of Elizabeth Warren by referencing Indians. It’s not classy, but I roll my eyes every time CNN tried to label them racist comments.

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frida2 (Feb 12, 2019 - 9:56 am)

It's not racist to Warren, but it's racist to Indians to reference scalp, trail (of tears), and Pocahontas. It doesn't matter much electorally because it's already baked in. People have already decided how they feel about trump's racism.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 12, 2019 - 11:08 am)

I disagree that’s it’s racist to native Americans to make fun of Elizabeth Warren for claiming to be Native American. That would like saying it’s racist to say you love fried chicken when it’s not directed towards a black person. Attempts to label it racist are just attempts to shut down criticism of Warren.

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drewprocess (Feb 12, 2019 - 5:18 am)

This is rather small potatoes. Being Native American does not really get you anything unless you get in on the casino action, and she did not. Trump has lied what, 5000 times since he became President, on every possible topic?

Also, Trump may be overdoing it here - now Dems who attack her for this in the primaries will be sounding like Trump.

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anotherjd (Feb 12, 2019 - 7:22 am)

I doubt any Democrats will attack her on this. Trump has already done their dirty work

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plumber (Feb 12, 2019 - 9:03 am)

Of course it was wrong for her to lie about her race in order to bolster her career. She knew just what she was doing. I bet she identified as white all through her life until she realized that she could benefit from a lie. She got in the affirmative action game early (1980s). If anything, it shows she extremely is dishonest.

Will it hurt her?

Nah. Leftists do not care. If they cared about such things, they would not elect weasels like her or Richard (Stolen Valor) Blumenthal in the first place.

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toooldtocare (Feb 12, 2019 - 9:24 am)

Again, plumber is correct; we all should be voting for solid types like Deferment Don, who filed five-that's right 5!-deferments to get out of serving in the army during Viet Nam. And his life-threatening illness-bone spurs! Certified by a spurious podiatrist, no less. So no weasels for us Americans.

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trijocker (Feb 12, 2019 - 10:24 am)

Don't forget G.W. Bush and the Texas Air National Guard
At the height of Viet Nam, he served in Texas
That might be dangerous today, only if you are guarding border crossings at El Paso

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plumber (Feb 12, 2019 - 10:36 am)

Did President Trump ever lie about his military service or claim a phony racial heritage?

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toooldtocare (Feb 12, 2019 - 10:57 am)

He lied to get out of serving in the military-and besides, he always presents himself as a tough guy-why didn't he power through those pesky bone spurs and serve in Viet Nam? Then when he would opine that he "liked guys who weren't captured" it would have move credibility.
Picking this fight is a loser for you; Trump could have served in the military and weaseled his way out of it; if that's your definition of an American hero, good luck.
And lie? What do you call his thousands of er, confabulations, since he took office? And where's that check from Mexico to pay for his wall?

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plumber (Feb 12, 2019 - 11:02 am)

"What do you call his thousands of er, confabulations, since he took office?"

Can you state what you think are some of these specific 1,000 lies?

With regard to Trump's military service, I suspect his old man probably helped get him out of it. He was a fortunate son who never claimed to have fought the Vietcong (to further his appeal) like Sen. Blumenthal. Anecdotally, my father-in-law had a low draft number and certainly would have been drafted to fight in Vietnam. Fortunately for him, his family got him into the reserves. This was fairly common back then.

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toooldtocare (Feb 12, 2019 - 11:34 am)

So what's your point-that Trump is an unreconstructed coward who used his father's connections to weasel out of military service?
And Blumenthal is a prevaricating politician-no surprise there-but he actually served in the USMC Reserve during the VN war. Trump never served anywhere, ever, and actually evaded-those 5 deferments-military service.
And lie #1: Mexico will pay for the wall; if that's the case, why close the govt in a battle with Congress? After all, the check must be in the mail.
But I guess you and I will always have fundamental differences, as my father was in military during VN; he didn't try to use family connections to avoid it, which is apparently something you approve of.

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catwoman333 (Feb 12, 2019 - 2:28 pm)

Dopeahontas is done. Put a hatchet in her and bury her at Little Big Horn. She will NEVER get beyond that stupid, self-inflicted scandal. And the nickname Trump gave her is just TOO DAMN FUNNY and a BIG DISTRACTION from issues she SHOULD be talking about instead of spinning her wheels in fruitless, wacky damage control efforts.

I can't imagine EW ever regaining the credibility, trust of voters (other than the few hard-core EW supporters or paid staffers) who follow her to rallies and cheer on command the same way Trump's worshipful groupies do. But, then again, the Dems may surprise us all and shove her to the front of the pack in true, circular firing squad-style in another, suicidal Hillary-esque ("It's Her Turn!!!") mission campaign. But I doubt't that would get young voters and minorities to the polls in enough #s to with the electoral college. They just don't want any more 70-year old white people in power. Another reason Bernie and Biden are toast for 2020.

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wutwutwut (Feb 12, 2019 - 2:55 pm)

So, who do you like as (D) 2020 candidates?

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toooldtocare (Feb 12, 2019 - 4:11 pm)

Good question-who is going to break out of an ever-increasing pack. Hell, the killer B's-Beto and Biden and Bloomberg- still haven't declared.

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catwoman333 (Feb 12, 2019 - 10:43 pm)

I feel it's far too early to decide on a definite candidate to support in 2020. That said, I hope the finalist is not determined by who can raise the biggest $$ or the DNC leadership behind closed doors, in defiance of rank and file members (as happened in 2016).

I want to "wait and see" and take my time "kicking the tires" (learning more) a bit before I support someone (or not), esp. since alot of stories are starting to knock the luster off some of these fake public paint jobs. In all honesty, I am not terribly impressed with the "first horses" out of the gate so far. Yes, I want to "like" someone, but I don't consider 2020 a "popularity contest" and likability alone is not enough to either make someone a good POTUS or to beat Trump (or Pence).

I just hope we don't see a repeat of the 2016 primaries where 20 candidates were crammed onto a stage for a erroneously-labeled "debate" (more like a theatrical "Dog and Pony" entertainment show) where each candidate just spent 2 seconds attacking each other and/or spewing vague, obviously focus group-vetted slogans.

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whatnext (Feb 12, 2019 - 10:57 pm)

"the DNC leadership behind closed doors, in defiance of rank and file members (as happened in 2016)."

Rank and file members chose one candidate over the other by a margin of over 3 million votes.

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catwoman333 (Feb 13, 2019 - 12:06 am)

FACT: Hillary was crowned in a RIGGED primary by the DNC (over Bernie) despite MILLIONS of Dem. voters who CLEARLY didn't want her and who ended up expressing that anger by voting GOP, 3P or staying home (as did MILLIONS of Independents). In case you failed to notice, that big 3 mill. popular vote "margin" you hardcore Hillary cult followers was as relevant and useful to the party on Nov. 9th as soiled nappies. So...your point is????


"Rinse and repeat" in 2020 and ensure ANOTHER 4 years for the orange toddler.

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whatnext (Feb 13, 2019 - 12:15 am)

My point is rank and file Democrats had their choice and made it. Their choice got the nomination, contrary to whatever you think happened.

There were 57 primaries. The victor won 34 of them and won the total votes margin by 3.7 million. Is your argument that the candidate with the most primary victories and a significant lead in total votes cast by party members should NOT be the nominee of a party?

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frida2 (Feb 13, 2019 - 8:52 am)

The DNC will not select the 2020 nominee. The Democratic party got rid of superdelegates in August 2018.

Anyone with any concern or interest in the Democratic candidate in 2020 should register as a Democrat (if required in your state) and vote in the primary. Here's the schedule:

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2020-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

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gazoo (Feb 12, 2019 - 6:47 pm)

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1095445091076976646?s=19

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gazoo (Feb 14, 2019 - 11:23 am)

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